Misconceptions About Gaiden

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It’s been months since Gaiden ended but i hope to clear up certain things that i’ve seen are largely misread or have been twisted deliberately to give false impression of what Kishi was trying to potray.

Sakura faints because of stress -
She did fainted in Gaiden, thats as far as the truth is. As for the stress part thats not true at all, in fact it weren’t even mentioned anywhere that she is stress. It’s just in her character to faint when she witnessed something surprising or something that shocked her.. Evidently happen when she was young

As Shizune mentions here;

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In the first Team 7’s bell test she did fainted at the time twice, once after caught in a genjutsu, the second was after she witnessed Sasuke’s head while the body was burried in the earth.

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And the second time she fainted after she saw Sasuke;

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So thats all there is to it. It was brought back for plot convenience but rest assured, so far she never fainted on battle and most importantly it’s nothing concerning stress at all.

Financial $$$$$$$$$$$$ -

Financial was never a subject fully explored on in Narutoverse. By the little details there is we know for a fact that a shinobi’s main income comes from missions, the more dangerous a mission is the higher you get paid. S-rank is the highest paying most dangerous mission, Sasuke’s mission actually fits the classification of an S-rank mission. With Sasuke away from the village it’s likely that Sakura was the one receiving the pay from Konoha and they have been providing the said reward to his family.

Shizune actually backs it up here ;

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I’m sure someone might assume Shizune is just another retired ninja, she actually still holds the duty of assisting the Hokage just like the way it was with Tsunade, only this time she is doing it along Shikamaru assisting Naruto.

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She is also being kept heads up about the nature of Sasuke’s mission and his whereabout;

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What Shizune said has been very reliable.

Interesting enough the reward for S-rank mission is about a million ryo or more.

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Aside from this Sasuke & Sakura could also claim reward for the people they defeated, those who are from the Bingo Book such as Deidara, Sasori, Itachi, Orochimaru.
So it’s very unlikely that they’re struggling financially in any way. The loan mentioned in chapter 1 was an impression of how their world have progress ever since the war ended. Since Gaiden was also an introduction to the new gen era. The same purpose was used when Naruto/Shikamaru mentioned some new uses of technology.
 
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"Hasn't paid off the loan"

> Faints because of the stress of the loan bill

"Boruto Naruto the Movie"

> Lives in an apartment complex now

I would be reasonable and say that the house is being rebuilt, but the sole fact that she fainted due to the amount of, what you called "stress" of the money itself. Yeah.... no :lol



The funniest thing about this thread in my opinion, is that you pointed out Sakura gets all her information about Sasuke through Naruto who tells Shikamaru if he's there or needs to know about his whereabouts. Nice job, Kishimoto.

Naruto and Sasuke are hawk sext buddies. Believe it~!


EDIT; Also I hope you don't misinterpret the scan of Sakura saying she needs to head towards Mountain pass, she just finished her mostly off panel conversation with Shizune. And Shizune confirms she told her by saying, "According to Shikamaru"
 
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"Hasn't paid off the loan"

> Faints because of the stress of the loan bill

"Boruto Naruto the Movie"

> Lives in an apartment complex now

I would be reasonable and say that the house is being rebuilt, but the sole fact that she fainted due to the amount of, what you called "stress" of the money itself. Yeah.... no :lol



The funniest thing about this thread in my opinion, is that you pointed out Sakura gets all her information about Sasuke through Naruto who tells Shikamaru if he's there or needs to know about his whereabouts. Nice job, Kishimoto.

Naruto and Sasuke are hawk sext buddies. Believe it~!
(1) Fainting due to the incomplexity of a loan is understandable, she lost everything she but into the construction of her home, the actual home itself and still has to pay it back (the loan that's is). She made a costly OOPS and it's also faint worthy!!!

(2) The "Condo" they live is temporary.

(3) Your being thirsty and your searching, Shikamaru only relayed the information of Sasukes current whereabouts nothing more or less. You don't know if Sakura & Sasuke haven't had any means of communication or not.

Sidenote: Sakura knew exactly where to go when Shizune relayed the information concerning Sasukes location and you know that means..... Temple Booty Calls!!!!!!
 
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"Hasn't paid off the loan"

> Faints because of the stress of the loan bill

"Boruto Naruto the Movie"

> Lives in an apartment complex now

I would be reasonable and say that the house is being rebuilt, but the sole fact that she fainted due to the amount of, what you called "stress" of the money itself. Yeah.... no :lol



The funniest thing about this thread in my opinion, is that you pointed out Sakura gets all her information about Sasuke through Naruto who tells Shikamaru if he's there or needs to know about his whereabouts. Nice job, Kishimoto.

Naruto and Sasuke are hawk sext buddies. Believe it~!


EDIT; Also I hope you don't misinterpret the scan of Sakura saying she needs to head towards Mountain pass, she just finished her mostly off panel conversation with Shizune. And Shizune confirms she told her by saying, "According to Shikamaru"
Yea it's quite obvious that they're living in an apartment because the house is being rebuilt. And that the fainting is from shock, not "stress of money", that's what the OP states. You seem to imply he said otherwise.

As for the rest of your post, Sakura is getting updated on Sasuke's whereabouts through Shizune because she just woke up from her coma in Shizune's place, Sasuke can't reach her while she's asleep. Like Rasta mentioned we don't whether and how frequent they had direct communication, and through what means.
 
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(1) Fainting due to the incomplexity of a loan is understandable, she lost everything she but into the construction of her home, the actual home itself and still has to pay it back (the loan that's is). She made a costly OOPS and it's also faint worthy!!!

(2) The "Condo" they live is temporary.

(3) Your being thirsty and your searching, Shikamaru only relayed the information of Sasukes current whereabouts nothing more or less. You don't know if Sakura & Sasuke haven't had any means of communication or not.

Sidenote: Sakura knew exactly where to go when Shizune relayed the information concerning Sasukes location and you know that means..... Temple Booty Calls!!!!!!
1. Exactly. If she couldn't pay off the loan, due to how much the house cost, it's not reasonable to believe she could pay off for the home to be rebuilt, since she destroyed it herself, and then finish off the loan later.

To me it seems more realistic for her to actually just live in an apartment until she can save up enough money.

2. To each their own. I don't really care for it though, I'll trust you know what you are talking about, if you wanna haha.

3. Sure. If that's how you want to play it, go ahead and cast Sakura as a person who talks to Sasuke behind her daughter's back, and worse, never teach her daughter anything about her father. To the point where we have a scanlation of Sarada stating she knows nothing about her father, bar the last Uchiha nonsense that almost everyone and their Grandmother knows. But seriously, they don't communicate. Unless you can show me a scan of Sasuke contacting Sakura since it was his idea to meet up Naruto in the tower after the meeting with the Akatsuki.

Naruto was the only one who knew of Sasuke's location, whom was stated it in his Office, even Shikamaru knew of Sasuke's mission too. So re-read the chapter again.

4. Rasta I just realized why I disliked you in your side note :lol

Yea it's quite obvious that they're living in an apartment because the house is being rebuilt. And that the fainting is from shock, not "stress of money", that's what the OP states. You seem to imply he said otherwise.

As for the rest of your post, Sakura is getting updated on Sasuke's whereabouts through Shizune because she just woke up from her coma in Shizune's place, Sasuke can't reach her while she's asleep. Like Rasta mentioned we don't whether and how frequent they had direct communication, and through what means.
I. Read above.

II. Shizune just finished talking to Shikamaru who knew of his whereabouts from Sasuke. We know for sure they haven't communicated over time, otherwise there would have been a panel of it, and it's absolutely sickening that you would think Sasuke would keep in contact with his wife and not reach out to his daughter despite this.

Anyway, the Manga chapter says all I need to. Especially the panel of Sasuke contacting Naruto of his location so they can discuss the Akatsuki problem, and for some reason Sakura got one too.

Shikamaru didn't talk with Naruto either, apparently. Oh and Shizune didn't talk with Shikamaru.
 
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I. Read above.

II. Shizune just finished talking to Shikamaru who knew of his whereabouts from Sasuke. We know for sure they haven't communicated over time, otherwise there would have been a panel of it, and it's absolutely sickening that you would think Sasuke would keep in contact with his wife and not reach out to his daughter despite this.

Anyway, the Manga chapter says all I need to. Especially the panels of Sakura saying their feelings are connected because she knew Sasuke was far away from them and out of reach :lol
@Red: That's flawed logic, it's been a 10+ year time skip, we won't get panels of all the interactions that happened between characters. The author chooses what flashbacks to show. He actually wanted to show Sarada's birth in a flashback but skipped out because of lack of panel space.

@Bold: Well it is sad, and we saw this happen in the flashback in chapter 5 during the Gokage meeting. He mentioned it's to maintain the secrecy of his whereabouts and mission. Not contact anyone outside of those in the meeting.

Sakura telling Sarada that their feelings are connected, and that he is on an important mission and will be back, is not proof that she isn't contacting him, it's actually the opposite lol.
 

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Sakura faints because of stress -
She did fainted in Gaiden, thats as far as the truth is. As for the stress part thats not true at all, in fact it weren’t even mentioned anywhere that she is stress. It’s just in her character to faint when she witnessed something surprising or something that shocked her.. Evidently happen when she was young
This was the only part I really didn't get. What do you mean when you say it's not stress? She fainted when she thought Sasuke was dead because of the sudden and intense stress the sight caused her. Same with in the Gaiden. She got a rush of stress and it caused her to pass out. That's like literally what passing out because of situation is. The "shock" that you pointed out was the stress. That's literally how fainting works lol

Are you trying to say that she's not a person who is constantly stressed out? If so I agree but I ain't never really seen anyone say that about her in the first place. But she clearly passed out in those cases because of stress. It makes sense too because she was written as more of a deep thinker who contemplates a lot of things and deals with internal emotional conflict sometimes (remember the whole "inner self" thing?) so it's understandable that she shuts down from time to time due to stressful situations. Just seeing what your definition of stress is
 
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@Red: That's flawed logic, it's been a 10+ year time skip, we won't get panels of all the interactions that happened between characters. The author chooses what flashbacks to show. He actually wanted to show Sarada's birth in a flashback but skipped out because of lack of panel space.

@Bold: Well it is sad, and we saw this happen in the flashback in chapter 5 during the Gokage meeting. He mentioned it's to maintain the secrecy of his whereabouts and mission. Not contact anyone outside of those in the meeting.

Sakura telling Sarada that their feelings are connected, and that he is on an important mission and will be back, is not proof that she isn't contacting him, it's actually the opposite lol.
I. Yeah the flawed logic part seems about right here. The fact that:

Sasuke hasn't interacted with anyone bar Naruto.
No one knew of Sasuke's location until Sasuke sent the hawk summoning to Naruto

Just show me one panel of Sasuke contacting Sakura in someway. We even have a panel of Sasuke asking Sakura why she was even here, and despite this, we have retarded discussion about them hawsexting :lol

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Yeah it is sad. Despite this, he still contacts Naruto, and what's worse, is that his mission had no danger to be involved since he met Kinshiki and Momoshiki years after the mission started, in the Chunin Exams.

There feelings are connected and Sarada knew nothing about her father, plus she had to question her legimtacy of Sakura being her own mother too. Outrageous.
 

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I. Yeah the flawed logic part seems about right here. The fact that:

Sasuke hasn't interacted with anyone bar Naruto.
No one knew of Sasuke's location until Sasuke sent the hawk summoning to Naruto

Just show me one panel of Sasuke contacting Sakura in someway. We even have a panel of Sasuke asking Sakura why she was even here, and despite this, we have retarded discussion about them hawsexting :lol

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You're dismissing any possibility of him contacting his wife for the past years because of a single instance of Sasuke sending a hawk to Naruto's office for a meeting. xd That's what I meant by flawed logic, we don't know shit about what happened during those years. Who's to say he hasn't been sending her hawks as well since? There's no panel of it, but to say it's fact that it never happened is ridiculous imo. We do know that Sasuke met Naruto, Sakura, and the other Gokage around 5-6 years before the events of Gaiden. And asked them to keep his whereabouts and mission secret from anyone else "to avoid any panic", unfortunately, that includes his daughter.

Anyways, I do agree that the discussion is retarded lol, given the very short series ended half a year ago. And neither of us have enough details to back our arguments as fact.

Yeah it is sad. Despite this, he still contacts Naruto.
Yea, Naruto was at the meeting after all.
 
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You're dismissing any possibility of him contacting his wife for the past years because of a single instance of Sasuke sending a hawk to Naruto's office for a meeting. xd That's what I meant by flawed logic, we don't know shit about what happened during those years. Who's to say he hasn't been sending her hawks as well since? There's no panel of it, but to say it's fact that it never happened is ridiculous imo. We do know that Sasuke met Naruto, Sakura, and the other Gokage around 5-6 years before the events of Gaiden. And asked them to keep his whereabouts and mission secret from anyone else "to avoid any panic", unfortunately, that includes his daughter.
Ain't no one dismissing any possibility. The problem here is that there is no possibility, no fact, no truth. It actually hurts there characters more if they were messing around without Sarada knowing anything about it.

What I'm saying is there no actual truth to the fact, other than Sasuke just not contacting them for what-ever reason. The only thing we do know is that Sasuke spent time with them prior to his mission, when Sarada was really small. Before then, she wasn't able to formulate any memories of him.

Yeah and that's the last time they spoke about it, and what I would like to point out is that Sasuke had been researching Kaguya's past and then decided to call the meeting of the Kage's. It seemed as if he kept this entire mission secret until that day too, meaning no one really knew about it until that day, including Naruto himself.

The only problem with Sasuke's mission causing panic is that it's completely unrealistic to be gone for so long, finding nothing, and then not contacting anyone but Naruto, despite knowing there was no danger roaming about. But this isn't the point of the thread anyway. Sasuke's reasoning for not wanting anyone to know his whereabouts are just fine, but like the Gaiden proved itself Sasuke spending one day with his family changed nothing about the end mission. Which is retarded because he could of done this at least once a month, or a year if he had to :lol
 

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1. Exactly. If she couldn't pay off the loan, due to how much the house cost, it's not reasonable to believe she could pay off for the home to be rebuilt, since she destroyed it herself, and then finish off the loan later.
This I might give you due to is not knowing the legality of her home loan.

To me it seems more realistic for her to actually just live in an apartment until she can save up enough money.
This is also a thing possibility but again we don't know the actual numbers so touché.

2. To each their own. I don't really care for it though, I'll trust you know what you are talking about, if you wanna haha.
This is shade XD XD XD

3. Sure. If that's how you want to play it, go ahead and cast Sakura as a person who talks to Sasuke behind her daughter's back, and worse, never teach her daughter anything about her father. To the point where we have a scanlation of Sarada stating she knows nothing about her father, bar the last Uchiha nonsense that almost everyone and their Grandmother knows.
Indra, you cannot fault Sakura as a mother bro becuase she have proven herself to be an excellent one.

  1. Understanding and conveying the message of, parental connection not being subject too or limited too genetics.

    - Meaning if Sarada wasn't biologically her duaghter, she would choose to love her unconditionally anyway -

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  2. Keeping Sasuke relevant in Sarada's even though he was absent.

    - Passing down his greatest form of affection, something that started by Itachi -

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    - Sarada automatically connected the dots -


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  3. Not lying to Sarada about the reason Sasuke was absent.

    - Sarada rightfully asked why Sasuke was absent in their lives, question the validity -

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    - And Sakura explained that he was on an important mission -

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    - He explanation was then solidified by Naruto's flashback -


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  4. Pursuing Sarada promptly, when Sarada yearned for her.

    - The second Shizune explained the situation Sakura hopped on her feet -

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    - But more than that the second Sarada thought of her mother Sakura was thinking of her -

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  5. Providing Sarada with positive memories.

    - So influential that she abandoned the ideal of Sakura not being her mother -

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But seriously, they don't communicate. Unless you can show me a scan of Sasuke contacting Sakura since it was his idea to meet up Naruto in the tower after the meeting with the Akatsuki.
I don't have to provide you with a scam that directly establishes them communicating, I can use my context clues.

Sasukes hawk sends messages right?

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What would stop Sasuke from sending a letter to Sakura?

Or does his hawk have flight & delivery stipulations?

Naruto was the only one who knew of Sasuke's location, whom was stated it in his Office, even Shikamaru knew of Sasuke's mission too. So re-read the chapter again.
No, you need to re-read that chapter, Sakura knew that Sarada was headed toward the "TOWER ON THE CLIFF"..
 

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Just erasing the stuff we agreed on cause I gotta do stuff.

Get off your automatic bashing assumption. No one call Sakura a bad mother, in fact I think she's a good mother. But she definitely isn't perfect. Even the Movie information stated she wants to rebuild a healthier relationship with her daughter for her mast mistake.

Should I link it?

Anyway this is my main problem overall:
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The main conflict for Sarada as a person, is Sasuke. Not just the fact that he was absent in her life, but the fact that she didn't know much about him as a person. To the point where Naruto asked her to tell Cho Cho how her dad was like, and she said she couldn't remember. If she had been told things about her father, similar to what Naruto did which later gave her enough emotions to later activate her Sharingan, after she imagined what it would be like to connect with her father, then she wouldn't have ended up so wronged.

"I don't have to show you a scan of them communicating"

You just lost the argument right there :lol

Sasukes hawk sends messages right?

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What would stop Sasuke from sending a letter to Sakura?
The fact that there isn't a panel of Sasuke doing so. I'll finish off this bit on the bottom with the Tower comment.

Or does his hawk have flight & delivery stipulations?
Ask Naruto since he recognized it immediately.

No, you need to re-read that chapter, Sakura knew that Sarada was headed toward the "TOWER ON THE CLIFF"..
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VIZ, of course. And lastly to end this stupid rabble. Apparently Sakura knew of this location, despite not contacting Sasuke or Naruto about it, but just "knew".

Even though we have a scan of Sasuke asking why she was even here in the first place
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But it's hilariously cute that you ignore the manga and misinterpret the truth. After Sakura woke up from being unconscious, Shizune filled her in on everything, after she spoke with Shikamaru. It's all implied in the Manga.

The difference is a clouded judgement and a twist of the truth, which isn't unexpected.
 
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Ain't no one dismissing any possibility. The problem here is that there is no possibility, no fact, no truth.
Lol, you just contradicted yourself. "I'm not dismissing any possibility, the problem here is that there is no possibility." XD

Anyways you probably missed my previous edit:

Anyways, I do agree that the discussion is retarded lol, given the very short series ended half a year ago. And neither of us have enough details to back our arguments as fact.

It actually hurts there characters more if they were messing around without Sarada knowing anything about it.
Hmm, well that's subjective. Obviously this is only a work of fiction, but say if this scenario were in real life, and the husband was on a secret mission away from his home, but contacted his wife so they would know they're safe, or even met with her so they could "fulfill certain needs" (lol) without telling their kid about it, they wouldn't be bad people.

What I'm saying is there no actual truth to the fact, other than Sasuke just not contacting them for what-ever reason. The only thing we do know is that Sasuke spent time with them prior to his mission, when Sarada was really small. Before then, she wasn't able to formulate any memories of him.
That's true, that's the last time he spent time with them, and contacted Sarada, but Sakura is a seperate person that could have contacted him since, like the Gokage meeting as an example.

Yeah and that's the last time they spoke about it, and what I would like to point out is that Sasuke had been researching Kaguya's past and then decided to call the meeting of the Kage's. It seemed as if he kept this entire mission secret until that day too, meaning no one really knew about it until that day, including Naruto himself.

The only problem with Sasuke's mission causing panic is that it's completely unrealistic to be gone for so long, finding nothing, and then not contacting anyone but Naruto, despite knowing there was no danger roaming about. But this isn't the point of the thread anyway. Sasuke's reasoning for not wanting anyone to know his whereabouts are just fine, but like the Gaiden proved itself Sasuke spending one day with his family changed nothing about the end mission. Which is retarded because he could of done this at least once a month, or a year if he had to :lol
That's absolutely true, it's just really bad writing on Kishi's part. He wanted drama and conflict for Sarada and us readers.
 

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Lol, you just contradicted yourself. "I'm not dismissing any possibility, the problem here is that there is no possibility." XD

Anyways you probably missed my previous edit:

Anyways, I do agree that the discussion is retarded lol, given the very short series ended half a year ago. And neither of us have enough details to back our arguments as fact.
It sounds contradcitory but I just wanted to make sure I pointed out (if I didn't in my last post) that I can't accept the possibility due to no actual proof of it.

That's like me saying, Naruto and Hinata have tons of /s-e-x/, despite Boruto and Himawari missing their father. There's no actual proof of Naruto meeting up with Hinata without their children knowing, and it's absolutely horrid if so lmfao.



Hmm, well that's subjective. Obviously this is only a work of fiction, but say if this scenario were in real life, and the husband was on a secret mission away from his home, but contacted his wife so they would know they're safe, or even met with her so they could "fulfill certain needs" (lol) without telling their kid about it, they wouldn't be bad people.
That makes sense actually, but my main problem for this scenario is that Sarada has no actual safety guard for this information. I mean why keep it from her? The rest of the population, is understandable. But Sarada should know that Sasuke misses her, she doesn't need to know that their feelings are connected, especially when Kishimoto writes up so much drama you can't believe that nonsense. I can admit their feelings being established and connected after the Gaiden, for sure.





That's true, that's the last time he spent time with them, and contacted Sarada, but Sakura is a seperate person that could have contacted him since, like the Gokage meeting as an example.
I spoke about this on the first quote on this current convo, I think repeating it would draw out the argument. You can erase this part if you wanna

That's absolutely true, it's just really bad writing on Kishi's part. He wanted drama and conflict for Sarada and us readers.
Horrid writing.

The only positive here is that Kishimoto doesn't need to write so much drama anymore since everything is resolved, but then this is still Kishimoto U_U
 
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It sounds contradcitory but I just wanted to make sure I pointed out (if I didn't in my last post) that I can't accept the possibility due to no actual proof of it.

That's like me saying, Naruto and Hinata have tons of /s-e-x/, despite Boruto and Himawari missing their father. There's no actual proof of Naruto meeting up with Hinata without their children knowing, and it's absolutely horrid if so lmfao.


That makes sense actually, but my main problem for this scenario is that Sarada has no actual safety guard for this information. I mean why keep it from her? The rest of the population, is understandable. But Sarada should know that Sasuke misses her, she doesn't need to know that their feelings are connected, especially when Kishimoto writes up so much drama you can't believe that nonsense. I can admit their feelings being established and connected after the Gaiden, for sure.


Horrid writing.

The only positive here is that Kishimoto doesn't need to write so much drama anymore since everything is resolved, but then this is still Kishimoto U_U
Fair enough, I understand your POV and you seem to understand mine.

Now I would've told you that Kishi won't be writing anymore but with all this recent hype about the countdown, and after watching sawyer's (The only good Naruto reviewer) video about it and his reasoning, I'm not so sure anymore.

It is Shounen Jump so that tells you it's Manga related and not anime/movie, but Kishi is writing a sci-fi so unless Boruto and Sarada go to space, Kishi won't be writing it. I'm having this suspicion that there is a possibility that it could be written by the author of Springtime of Youth (Naruto SD). That would be awesome.
 
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