Asuma VS 100 % Kisame (Kenjutsu only)

[Curse Mark]

Basically reenact the scenario from part 1, with only kenjutsu. Chakra can be used, but not ninjutsu. Asuma can use Chakra blades.

Samehada can absorb chakra.

Distance: 15 m

Some people on the base seem to think Kisame got wrecked in CQC?

 

[Lord Tywin]

Kisame rapes

 

[Curse Mark]

haha yes it does as he was easily handling Kisame.

Asuma blocked or dodged everything Kisame threw at him bar Samehada shredding who he had already blocked to begin with.

Kisame got cut by Asuma's very first strike immediately after he dodged everything.

Maybe Toshi will come and argue for Asuma.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Maybe Toshi will come and argue for Asuma.

This is the rule 47th in the NBVS: Never take Toshizo seriously.

 

[ToshiZO]

Already occurred in the manga. Kisame gets diced up with a full power hien.

Only way Kisame wins is if he avoids losing limbs and outlasts by healing via samehada.

Asuma is the superior one in CQC though.

 

[EZQ]

I don't think Kisame stomps when it was already showed Asuma can keep up with him and land a succesfuly strike. This time Kisame has samehada without the bandages i hope?

Anyways Kisame wins.

 

[Curse Mark]

Already occurred in the manga. Kisame gets diced up with a full power hien.

Only way Kisame wins is if he avoids losing limbs and outlasts by healing via samehada.

Asuma is the superior one in CQC though.

The chakra from his blades getting anywhere close to Samehada gets the chakra absorbed.

 

[ToshiZO]

The chakra from his blades getting anywhere close to Samehada gets the chakra absorbed.

He was unable to do so in the manga, granted without intel regardless Kisame would only be able to win via samehada's absorbing properties and healing factor. Not because of Kisame's taijutsu/ kenjutsu skill which is inferior to Asuma's.

 

[Curse Mark]

He was unable to do so in the manga, granted without intel regardless Kisame would only be able to win via samehada's absorbing properties and healing factor. Not because of Kisame's taijutsu/ kenjutsu skill which is inferior to Asuma's.

Unable to do so ctfu. He was unable to do it because Asuma didn't have chakra in the blades at this point.

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[ToshiZO]

Unable to do so ctfu. He was unable to do it because Asuma didn't have chakra in the blades at this point.

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? I'm talking about when Kisame got cut with his hien.....

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What Mr. Butcher fails to realize is that they both got hits on each other due to the lack of inel on each other's abilities.

Asuma didn't know about sharkskin and got his arm shredded.

Kisame didn't know about chakra blade extended range and got his cheek cut.

If they were to fight again asuma's range gets absorbed and he gets clipped.

 

[ToshiZO]

What Mr. Butcher fails to realize is that they both got hits on each other due to the lack of inel on each other's abilities.

Asuma didn't know about sharkskin and got his arm shredded.

Kisame didn't know about chakra blade extended range and got his cheek cut.

If they were to fight again asuma's range gets absorbed and he gets clipped.

Except Kisame's hit had close to nothing to do with his taijutsu skills....because

1.Asuma successfully blocked Kisame's strike
2.The only reason Asuma even blocked was because he was protecting Kurenai.

Lol so if you could actually read and even follow your own arguments maybe this wouldn't be so tough on you.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Except Kisame's hit had close to nothing to do with his taijutsu skills....because

1.Asuma successfully blocked Kisame's strike
2.The only reason Asuma even blocked was because he was protecting Kurenai.

Lol so if you could actually read and even follow your own arguments maybe this wouldn't be so tough on you.

Did I say anything about taijutsu? I don't remember doing so. U made that up. U say I can't follow my arguments yet you're putting arguments I never made in my mouth.

 

[ToshiZO]

Did I say anything about taijutsu? I don't remember doing so. U made that up. U say I can't follow my arguments yet you're putting arguments I never made in my mouth.

this guy. hidan was only in due to his ritual, he himself says his taijutsu is the SLOWEST out of everyone in akatsuki yet you got bum ni&&as saying its in the same league as pissame. FCKING PISSAME.

Yea I totally made that up..... you arguing for Kisame's taijutsu skills using a situation that had little to do with his actual skill. But I don't expect much from you when I literally had to hold your hand through every single scan provided.

 

[Beans2]

Who wins? The guy who can't match Hidan in CQC or the guy who was tossing around V1 Killer Bee? The answer to this thread is obvious.

 

[EZQ]

Who wins? The guy who can't match Hidan in CQC or the guy who was tossing around V1 Killer Bee? The answer to this thread is obvious.

Well hidan is also superior to Kisame in CQC so that comparision isn't completely relevant. Kisame never tossed around Killer Bee, it's just Kisame is a terrible matchup for chakra cloack users. They can't even get close to him because they're giving their chakra to him on a silver plate.

Samehada is never gaining the size it did against Killer Bee against an opponent who doesn't expell chakra constantly. The size of samehada was pretty much everything when it came to CQC against bee, since it had more range it could intercept Bee's lariat, and could e used as a shield.

The answer is not that obvious as you make it sound. I'd use as refernce Kisame vs Gai more than Kisame vs KB.

 

[ToshiZO]

Who wins? The guy who can't match Hidan in CQC or the guy who was tossing around V1 Killer Bee? The answer to this thread is obvious.

Thats funny cause Kisame himself got outdone by Asuma in CQC. The only thing that speaks for is Hidan being above both in Taijutsu. Not the other way around.

But if you're simply talking about overall winning the fight, you're right. If you're trying to throw shade based on taijutsu? Kisame was only "tossing" around Killer Bee due to Samehada's properties and KB being the perfect matchup not because he is better than Killer Bee in taijutsu....because he isn't.

Kisame's impressiveness doesn't come from him out doing someone in Taijutsu it comes from his strength and the ability to drain the enemy's chakra.

 

[Curse Mark]

Except Kisame's hit had close to nothing to do with his taijutsu skills....because

1.Asuma successfully blocked Kisame's strike
2.The only reason Asuma even blocked was because he was protecting Kurenai.

Lol so if you could actually read and even follow your own arguments maybe this wouldn't be so tough on you.

Kisame broke through Asuma's guard.

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Who wins? The guy who can't match Hidan in CQC or the guy who was tossing around V1 Killer Bee? The answer to this thread is obvious.

You would think so.

Well hidan is also superior to Kisame in CQC so that comparision isn't completely relevant. Kisame never tossed around Killer Bee, it's just Kisame is a terrible matchup for chakra cloack users. They can't even get close to him because they're giving their chakra to him on a silver plate.

Samehada is never gaining the size it did against Killer Bee against an opponent who doesn't expell chakra constantly. The size of samehada was pretty much everything when it came to CQC against bee, since it had more range it could intercept Bee's lariat, and could e used as a shield.

The answer is not that obvious as you make it sound. I'd use as refernce Kisame vs Gai more than Kisame vs KB.

You think 30% Kisame is a better reference to use?

 

[LuckyMan]

Thats funny cause Kisame himself got outdone by Asuma in CQC. The only thing that speaks for is Hidan being above both in Taijutsu. Not the other way around.

But if you're simply talking about overall winning the fight, you're right. If you're trying to throw shade based on taijutsu? Kisame was only "tossing" around Killer Bee due to Samehada's properties and KB being the perfect matchup not because he is better than Killer Bee in taijutsu....because he isn't.

Kisame's impressiveness doesn't come from him out doing someone in Taijutsu it comes from his strength and the ability to drain the enemy's chakra.

Exactly. He takes control of fights through his healing factor and chakra stealing, not pure kenjutsu. In a straight up Kenjutsu fight with no shark skin taking chakra and healing him, Kisame would get destroyed by seven swords dance, even worse than Sasuke did.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Kisame Grapes. Or low diffs. Doubt Asuma without his windblades could even dream of hurting Kisame.