Kakashi Hatake Vs. Hidan(There are catches)

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

SOMEBODY CLARIFY: Kakashi can copy and store Taijutsu moves right? That's the deciding factor here imo. Kakashi is good but is killed if the ritual is included.

Do you count Hidan's ritual as a jutsu?! Because then Kakashi getting 'heavily injured' doesn't happen- even a scratch is a game ender. If Hidan doesn't have his one gimmick then he has no fighting style & no chance as Hidan's scythe is his only means of Attack and isn't designed for killing, it's clearly designed for drawing blood and couldn't actually kill anybody.

 

[Curse Mark]

Lol can you read? I said he saw it coming, not that he reacted. And he clearly did because he knew it was too fast for him to react.

Also Kisame was surprised at how fast Gai came up to him, that doesn't mean he cant follow him with his eyes.

@dkdankong
Thats because I'm not arguing he reacted to the kick? You're just saying what I'm trying to tell this guy here, he saw it but couldn't react.

How does it help your argument at all that he saw himself getting kicked?

 

[ToshiZO]

How does it help your argument at all that he saw himself getting kicked?

Because that is 6 gates and Kisame could see his movements to an extent, go 5 gates lower and if someone tried to decapitate him with a kunai he will have enough time to avoid it, he wouldn't even have to be able to completely react to the 1st gate just avoid getting decapitated.

Kakashi is not running a kunai through Hidans head with Hidan slightly moving out the way.

 

[Curse Mark]

Because that is 6 gates and Kisame could see his movements to an extent, go 5 gates lower and if someone tried to decapitate him with a kunai he will have enough time to avoid it, he wouldn't even have to be able to completely react to the 1st gate just avoid getting decapitated.

Kakashi is not running a kunai through Hidans head with Hidan slightly moving out the way.

Just waiting for the part where you say that Kisame's reaction feats = Hidans

 

[ToshiZO]

Just waiting for the part where you say that Kisame's reaction feats = Hidans

Kisame isn't far off from Hidan to the point where he can't be used as a reference.

Heck I'm not even sure he is better at all. He has some decent feats against Killer Bee, but the majority of it he was getting pummeled and healing himself.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol can you read? I said he saw it coming, not that he reacted. And he clearly did because he knew it was too fast for him to react.

Also Kisame was surprised at how fast Gai came up to him, that doesn't mean he cant follow him with his eyes.

@dkdankong
Thats because I'm not arguing he reacted to the kick? You're just saying what I'm trying to tell this guy here, he saw it but couldn't react.

If he can't react then seeing it doesn't mean anything.

Can you prove that kisame can? Cuz nothing in that whole exchange leads to kisame reacting or even seeing, since the very thought of seeing can't even be finished.


There's nothing that links hidan's reaction speed to be anywhere near Kisame's to begin with.

Like I said. Kakashi matched hidan at base.

Opening gate boosts him by 5. Prove that hidan can match x5.

 

[ToshiZO]

If he can't react then seeing it doesn't mean anything.

Can you prove that kisame can? Cuz nothing in that whole exchange leads to kisame reacting or even seeing, since the very thought of seeing can't even be finished.


There's nothing that links hidan's reaction speed to be anywhere near Kisame's to begin with.

Like I said. Kakashi matched hidan at base.

Opening gate boosts him by 5. Prove that hidan can match x5.

Yea he saw it.

He swings his sword in

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. Guy dodges it

Kisame turns his head completely to the direction of the kick, despite his

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He clearly saw the kick or Gai's body movements at the least. Originally Gai was in front of him, the kick came from the side. Kisame swung Samehada directly infront of him but then moved his head to the side where Gai's kick was coming from.

Once again this is the 6th gate, 1st gate is multiple multiple times slower than this.

Hidan wouldn't even have to fully react, he would just have to move even slightly and he avoids decapitation by a kunai, its not even a debate.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Yea he saw it.

He swings his sword in

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. Guy dodges it

Kisame turns his head completely to the direction of the kick, despite his

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He clearly saw the kick. Originally Gai was in front of him, the kick came from the side. Kisame swung Samehada directly infront of him but then moved his head to the side where Gai's kick was coming from.

Once again this is the 6th gate, 1st gate is multiple multiple times slower than this.

Hidan wouldn't even have to fully react, he would just have to move even slightly and he avoids decapitation by a kunai, its not even an debate.

Guy didn't dodge anything. Kisame didn't even complete the swing, and his head did move Seriously. Stop butchering the manga.

 

[ToshiZO]

Guy didn't dodge anything. Kisame didn't even complete the swing, and his head did move Seriously. Stop butchering the manga.

He might not have dodged it who knows, wrong choice of words. And yes the swing might not have been completed,

But it really doesn't change anything

Gai came with his kick from the right side of Kisame's body (Gai's left). Samehada was swung directly infront of Kisame, Kisame completely turned his head, Samehada was pointing in a separate direction from Kisame's head.

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yellow lines = Kisame's head/eyes
1st panel : facing his swing
2nd panel : away from his swing to the right

red lines = his belt

 

[Curse Mark]

Gai's kick is basically a roundhouse like kick. Kisame was facing forward the entire time and swung at Gai who was straight ahead of him, and got kicked in the face.

 

[Zexion~]

Kisame merely reacted first in that situation unless you want to interpret it as Gai was waiting for Kisame for some reason.

Anyways, Hidan should win this people don't realize that its difficult to decapitate someone when your skill levels are fairly even, doubt Kakashi ever gets the chance.

 

[Curse Mark]

Kisame merely reacted first in that situation unless you want to interpret it as Gai was waiting for Kisame for some reason.

Anyways, Hidan should win this people don't realize that its difficult to decapitate someone when your skill levels are fairly even, doubt Kakashi ever gets the chance.

They were about even with Kakashi using 3T. The thing that seems to be being discussed for the most part now is kakashi using gates

 

[AkatsukiSwag]

OP can you define "unable to use jutsu?" do you mean dojustu, ninjutsu? genjutsu?

The only useable jutsu is taijutsu

 

[AkatsukiSwag]

SOMEBODY CLARIFY: Kakashi can copy and store Taijutsu moves right? That's the deciding factor here imo. Kakashi is good but is killed if the ritual is included.

Do you count Hidan's ritual as a jutsu?! Because then Kakashi getting 'heavily injured' doesn't happen- even a scratch is a game ender. If Hidan doesn't have his one gimmick then he has no fighting style & no chance as Hidan's scythe is his only means of Attack and isn't designed for killing, it's clearly designed for drawing blood and couldn't actually kill anybody.

Hidan is unable to use his ritual in this scenario

 

[Chaosmark101]

The only useable jutsu is taijutsu

If Kakashi can't use his Sharingan I don't see him winning

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kisame merely reacted first in that situation unless you want to interpret it as Gai was waiting for Kisame for some reason.

Anyways, Hidan should win this people don't realize that its difficult to decapitate someone when your skill levels are fairly even, doubt Kakashi ever gets the chance.

Its not out of character. He held the pose long enough for lee to see it and comment on it.

Lee did the same thing to garra in their match as well:

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Fact of the matter is he has yet to prove hidan can react/ keep up with first gate 3t kakashi. Am im not gonna induldge him anymore until he comes with a better argument.

 

[EZQ]

Its not out of character. He held the pose long enough for lee to see it and comment on it.

Lee did the same thing to garra in their match as well:

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Fact of the matter is he has yet to prove hidan can react/ keep up with first gate 3t kakashi. Am im not gonna induldge him anymore until he comes with a better argument.

And what evidence do you have on Kakashi not using the first gate on battle? What evicende do you have on him being able to keep it open for more than two seconds?

Kakashi is the kakashi we see in the manga. If he can open gates, he probably did and that's why he was keeping up with jins. Don't start some fanfic like Gated Kakashi please

 

[ToshiZO]

Fact of the matter is he has yet to prove hidan can react/ keep up with first gate 3t kakashi. Am im not gonna induldge him anymore until he comes with a better argument.

So in other words. "I have nothing left to add but fanfic" Alright. Concession accepted.

 

[Curse Mark]

So in other words. "I have nothing left to add but fanfic" Alright. Concession accepted.

Are you arguing Kakashi can't use gates?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

And what evidence do you have on Kakashi not using the first gate on battle?

So wait, youre saying kakshi isnt going to use the only tools left for him in battle? Kakashi the master tactician wont use gates despite being restricted to it?
EZQ do better.

What evicende do you have on him being able to keep it open for more than two seconds?

what user has used it longer than 2 seconds? the purpose of the first gate is a quick taijustu combo. When did i even say he'd use it for the long haul? Last i checked the initial post was:

"open" the first gate and kill his ass"

Kakashi is the kakashi we see in the manga.

and the kakashi we see in in the manga can open the first gate.

If he can open gates, he probably did and that's why he was keeping up with jins. Don't start some fanfic like Gated Kakashi please

bold is speculation, and that underline is blowing by mind cuz you're calling canon fanfic.

So in other words. "I have nothing left to add but fanfic" Alright. Concession accepted.

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thats my proof of gates.

Now prove hidan can deal with it, or gtfo