Naruto and Sasuke with no given abilities

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A real fight from naruto vs sasuke. No kyuubi and no sharingan. If sasuke does get sharingan then naruto gets sage mode. This would be a real fight.

Base fight- Naruto already has massive chakra reserves and a massive life force because he's an uzumaki. Sasuke without sharingan but has fire ball jutsu and other uchiha techniques.

Power up- naruto with prep and sage mode. Sasuke with sharingan and I'm not sure if mangekyo counts but let it be just for the sake of it. Who would win?
 

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Trick would be for naruto to stay away from any genjutsu. If he does that then he has a slight chance but precog basically negs him unless sm somehow is too fast for sharingan
 

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Sharingan is not a "given power", though. Sasuke was born with it, it's part of his genetics.
 

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Trick would be for naruto to stay away from any genjutsu. If he does that then he has a slight chance but precog basically negs him unless sm somehow is too fast for sharingan

Rinnegan is mutated sharingan. Naruto was too fast for pain and took out all except 1 without nine tails help. Also he has frog kata which doesn't require physical touch. And naruto with prep time would bring the frogs to snap him out of genjutsu
 

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This fight can't be judged with the current info we have, since no Sharingan Sasuke will not have most of his techniques (including Chidori), so for base fight I'm going with Naruto high diff, shadow clone distraction tactics + rasengan should trump basic Uchiha techniques (but Naruto wouldn't have Shadow clones without the Kyuubi).

Prep SM vs MS Sasuke, if the prep involves having 2 clones in Mt. Myoboku then he wins high diff, if it's just that he's in SM then Sasuke wins High diff.
 

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This fight can't be judged with the current info we have, since no Sharingan Sasuke will not have most of his techniques (including Chidori), so for base fight I'm going with Naruto high diff, shadow clone distraction tactics + rasengan should trump basic Uchiha techniques (but Naruto wouldn't have Shadow clones without the Kyuubi).

Prep SM vs MS Sasuke, if the prep involves having 2 clones in Mt. Myoboku then he wins high diff, if it's just that he's in SM then Sasuke wins High diff.

Naruto can still create Mass Shadow Clones because of his Uzumaki genes: large chakra reserves.
 

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This fight can't be judged with the current info we have, since no Sharingan Sasuke will not have most of his techniques (including Chidori), so for base fight I'm going with Naruto high diff, shadow clone distraction tactics + rasengan should trump basic Uchiha techniques (but Naruto wouldn't have Shadow clones without the Kyuubi).

Prep SM vs MS Sasuke, if the prep involves having 2 clones in Mt. Myoboku then he wins high diff, if it's just that he's in SM then Sasuke wins High diff.
Yes prep includes that. Prep includes anything that he would think of and has done in manga.
Why is the nine tails the into reason he can do shadow clones? He can do it without the nine tails can't he?
 

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That's unfair, you gave Naruto his genetic advantages, yet Sasuke only gets access to
things you learn. Sasuke's sharingan isn't much different from Naruto's stamina and reserves.
 

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Naruto can still create Mass Shadow Clones because of his Uzumaki genes: large chakra reserves.

Lol, you forgot he learnt shadow clones because he had the kyuubi, that made him ostracized by everyone and Mistsuki (the fake sensei) played on that by making him steal the scroll, that ended with him learning shadow clones. That's why I said the base fight would be impossible to judge cause of butterfly effect.

Yes prep includes that. Prep includes anything that he would think of and has done in manga.
Why is the nine tails the into reason he can do shadow clones? He can do it without the nine tails can't he?

Same answer as above.
 
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That's unfair, you gave Naruto his genetic advantages, yet Sasuke only gets access to
things you learn. Sasuke's sharingan isn't much different from Naruto's stamina and reserves.

Ok fine sharingan sasuke. But with prep naruto would probably find some way to impair his sight
 

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So sage mode is given :|
 

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So sage mode is given :|

You learn sage mode :|

Edit: Oh did you think I was saying sage mode was given? No I wasn't saying that. Just saying if people want to give sasuke sharingan than naruto gets sage mode
 
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Why didn't u just remove genetics as a factor all together :lol: This way Naruto can't spam shadow clones and Sasuke can't do chidori but sasuke still smarter so he wins.
 

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You learn sage mode :|

Edit: Oh did you think I was saying sage mode was given? No I wasn't saying that. Just saying if people want to give sasuke sharingan than naruto gets sage mode

Well you did remove kurama and sharingan, as if they were given then said if sharingan was allowed then so was SM (seemed it was implied he couldn't have it before but whatever).
 

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Well you did remove kurama and sharingan, as if they were given then said if sharingan was allowed then so was SM (seemed it was implied he couldn't have it before but whatever).

Well maybe I should've just said without Kurama and rinnegan and ems.
 
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Base Sasuke > Base Naruto
This was already shown at the beginning of Shippuden when Sasuke was negging Naruto. Naruto just has the base Rasengan whereas Sasuke has Chidori (slightly inaccurate due to not having Sharingan but will do just fine in a linear clash) AND its multiple variants (no need of Sharingan for these), Fire Style jutsus, greater strength and speed, much superior taijutsu and kenjutsu. This makes Sasuke massively superior but Naruto has shadow clones to reduce the disparity.

3T Sasuke >> Base Naruto
On top of the advantages mentioned above, Sharingan will grant Sasuke perfect tracking and precognition ability which Sasuke might not even need for Base Naruto. Not to mention it will allow Sasuke to potentially one-shot Naruto with genjutsu.

3T Sasuke < Pain Arc SM Naruto (with prep, no summons), 3T Sasuke <= Pain Arc SM Naruto (without prep, no summons)
SM Naruto equals or surpasses almost all of 3T Sasuke's formerly held advantages. His strength is much superior, speed is equal or slightly superior, taijutsu is equal but more effective due to superior physical parameters plus Frog Kata being a strong and dangerous taijutsu move, and stronger Rasengan and FRS compensates for Sasuke's ninjutsu advantage (less versatility but more power). This time Sasuke's Sharingan will be actually put to use in predicting Naruto's increased speed and reflexes. Naruto's sensing allows him to avoid Sasuke's genjutsu as well.

3T Sasuke << War Arc SM Naruto (with prep, no summons), 3T Sasuke < War Arc SM Naruto (without prep, no summons)
All of Naruto's above mentioned advantages are increased or enhanced even further. Aside from the bump in physical parameters and taijutsu, his ninjutsu is now significantly superior due to bigger Rasengan and FRS variants.

Peak MS Sasuke >= War Arc SM Naruto (with prep, no summons), Peak MS Sasuke > War Arc SM Naruto (without prep, no summons)
Give 3T Sasuke (who is already equal to Pain Arc SM Naruto without prep) larger and more powerful chakra (increased physical parameters as well as stronger ninjutsu) as granted by MS, and he'll be around Pain Arc SM Naruto's level including prep. Add Amaterasu and Blaze Release, and Sasuke easily gains the edge because it is stronger and deadlier than Frog Kata or anything Naruto has. Peak MS Sasuke (as shown in the manga) has Susanoo upto V4. MS Sasuke with V3 Susanoo could fight on par with War Arc SM Naruto using Susanoo weaponry. Give the empowered defenses of V4 and he's comfortably equal if not slightly superior than War Arc SM Naruto with prep.

Hypothetical War Arc MS Sasuke > War Arc SM Naruto (with prep, no summons)
If MS Sasuke continued till War Arc, then he'd be much stronger than before just like how SM Naruto got till the war. This would grant Sasuke time to progress and he'd gain enhancements to all his MS powers with better proficiency. His Susanoo might have reached other levels, perhaps till legged V3 or maybe higher. Previously, MS Sasuke equaled or slightly edged out War Arc SM Naruto with prep. This power increase would put MS Sasuke above War Arc SM Naruto with or without prep, rather comfortably.
 
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Lol, you forgot he learnt shadow clones because he had the kyuubi, that made him ostracized by everyone and Mistsuki (the fake sensei) played on that by making him steal the scroll, that ended with him learning shadow clones. That's why I said the base fight would be impossible to judge cause of butterfly effect.



Same answer as above.
Naruto made MultiSahdow clones without the help of Kyuubi at that start of Part 1.

Dont forget Kyuubi was playing with Naruto's Chakra control so thats why Naruto wasn't able to make multiple shadow clones without kyuubi some of the times.

OT

SM Naruto vs 3T Sasuke? Naruto neg diff.
Even against MS Sasuke, Naruto merks
 
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