Shinra Tensei

[Beans2]

What is the result of the following jutsus colliding? Scenarios presented below.

Kamui vs Shinra Tensei

1. Obito is using kamui when he gets hit with Shinra Tensei. Does it knock him back or does the force phase through him?
2. Kakashi opens a human-sized kamui portal in front of him just prior to ST being used. Does ST still affect Kakashi or would kamui warp away the force applied?

Shinra Tensei vs Gudodama

Gudodama is said to negate ninjutsu, but could a powerful enough ST bust through a Gudodama shield?

Shinra Tensei vs Limbo

Would a Limbo clone be affected by Shinra Tensei from Nagato? Would it be repelled or just walk through the force?

Shinra Tensei vs S/T Barrier

Would ST destroy Minato's barrier itself or would the force be teleported away?

 

[Waltz]

I. Phases through Obito. - A force cannot affect a dimension it has no access to.

II.The force is warped but Kakshi is still affected. - That portion of the force will enter the human sized portal but the force passing around the portal and the consequent shockwave will affect Kakashi.

III. Goudama negates Shinra Tensei to the limit that it can withstand the force of gravity, however there's no ST user that could create a ST that strong.

IV. Limbo clones can be affected by anything in the NV world. They even stand on the ground and are subject to physical attacks.

V. The Gravitational acceleration required to bend space and time is stronger than any Shinra Tensei. That's why the gravitational constant of stars do not attract Black holes but the opposite occurs. ​

 

[KidGamer65]

1. Obito gets hit. He can't phase through something that isn't tangible in any sense of the word, thus Kamui won't activate, thus he resides in this dimension.

2.

a. Obito is unaffected.
b. Hmm, Kamui probably fails/

3. Limbo is unaffected.

4. Gudo Dama take little damage.

5 S/T Barrier fails.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I. Phases through Obito. - A force cannot affect a dimension it has no access to.

II.The force is warped but Kakshi is still affected. - That portion of the force will enter the human sized portal but the force passing around the portal and the consequent shockwave will affect Kakashi.

III. Goudama negates Shinra Tensei to the limit that it can withstand the force of gravity, however there's no ST user that could create a ST that strong.

IV. Limbo clones can be affected by anything in the NV world. They even stand on the ground and are subject to physical attacks.

V. The Gravitational acceleration required to bend space and time is stronger than any Shinra Tensei. That's why the gravitational constant of stars do not attract Black holes but the opposite occurs. ​

Agree with everything except s/t barrier.

 

[Waltz]

Agree with everything except s/t barrier.

Here:

Teleportation Ninjutsu (i.e. space-time ninjutsu) is high-level ninjutsu that surpass concepts of space and distance. It allows one to move into a subspace and appear at a specific destination with a jutsu formula.

By definition, Space-time ninjutsu allows one to move into or create a subspace similar to the Einstein rose bridge; that is, a hypothetical space–time continuum at a speed faster than that of light. I'll break it down for you. The space-time continuum is a mathematical model that joins space and time into a single idea. When things like Kamui or ST Barrier are used they essentially create portals to another Space and time (Kamui is the only one that does so in a different plane meaning that what is teleported does not Remain on the plane of the NV but goes to a different plane which we call the Kamui world). The Jutsu defines what this Space and time does. The space and time that the gravitational force of Shinra Tensei would be traveling through is that of the Naruto universe.

1) ST barrier opens an alternate space and time (essentially a portal to a different dimension) which the force can then be transferred into. What ever enters the dimension created by the barrier [

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] is then teleported to another location by Minato.

2) Obito's/Kakashi's Kamui warps desired objects into a different plane (dimension) being the Kamui world; Hence his body is intangible to everything in the NV; Hence what is warped by Kakashi leaves the NV and goes to the Kamui plane.

3) FTG instantaneously warps space and time (creates a portal) around the user and teleports them to the desired Jutsu Shiki (FTG Tag).

ect.

Shinra Tensei is simply a manipulation of the force of gravity. A force is simply a push or a pull. In another sense think of it this way: Being hit by a very small force of gravity can feel identical to being hit by perhaps the force of a strong gust of wind or the force of a punch. However none of these would affect Obito while warped because his body is in a different space and time (dimension), None of these would by pass ST barrier's circumfrence for the simple fact that the barrier itself is a portal. ​

 

[Beans2]

@Waltz and KidGamer - why do you think Gudodama would tank? Gudodama shield was broken through by eighth gate Gai [

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]. JJ Madara with Double Rinnegan and Shinju absorbed would make a Shinra Tensei much much stronger than Gai.

 

[KidGamer65]

@Waltz and KidGamer - why do you think Gudodama would tank? Gudodama shield was broken through by eighth gate Gai [

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]. JJ Madara with Double Rinnegan and Shinju absorbed would make a Shinra Tensei much much stronger than Gai.

I was using Nagato's Shinra Tensei as a reference point. If Madara used it then yeah, obviously he'd wreck it.

 

[Waltz]

I was using Nagato's Shinra Tensei as a reference point. If Madara used it then yeah, obviously he'd wreck it.

Pretty much this and the reason I initially stated that there's no ST user that could manipulate a force that strong is because I was also using Nagato/Deva as a reference point. Having access to the Juubi's limitless chakra is enough for Madara to manipulate enough of the repulsive force of gravity to crush a Goudama shield. For example, it means that Madara could manipulate all the gravity required to keep everything thing on the earths surface pined down and smash it into the shield.​

 

[Beans2]

I was using Nagato's Shinra Tensei as a reference point. If Madara used it then yeah, obviously he'd wreck it.

Pretty much this and the reason I initially stated that there's no ST user that could manipulate a force that strong is enough because I was also using Nagato/Deva as a reference point. Having access to the Juubi's limitless chakra is enough for Madara to manipulate enough of the repulsive force of gravity to crush a Goudama shield. For example, it means that Madara could manipulate all the gravity required to keep everything thing on the earths surface pined down and smash it into the shield.​

What do you think about:

-Shinra Tensei being able to knock away a transdimensional portal? It should be possible considering a portal is still

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-JJ Madara's giant Shinra Tensei being used to disperse or knock away

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? (before it becomes ridiculously large of course.)

 

[KidGamer65]

What do you think about:

-Shinra Tensei being able to knock away a transdimensional portal? It should be possible considering a portal is still

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.
-JJ Madara's giant Shinra Tensei being used to disperse or knock away

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? (before it becomes ridiculously large of course.)

Shinra Tensei and Kamui are two completely different things. Kamui being able to create a warp barrier in the air, one that rips space itself, is reason enough to believe it can warp away a portal. But the portal can't be physically interacted with so I'm not sure how Shinra Tensei is going to push it away.

Expansive Gudo Dama doesn't get dispersed by Shinra Tensei, and I don't know if it'd push it away far enough to even matter considering it dwarfs PS in all forms of measurement.

 

[Waltz]

-> 1) Shinra Tensei is just the force of Gravity being used in a repulsive manner and gravity is the force that attracts a body toward the center of the earth, or toward any other physical body having mass---Objects of mass exist within a Space-time continuum (universe) therefore Gravity works within space and time. A trans-dimensional portal is a curvature of space and time or in other words, a doorway to another Space and time, either in the same plane (universe/world) or another plane (universe/world). It cannot be blow away by a force, anything that makes contact with it will be teleported. The only thing that can affect a trans-dimensional portal is another Trans-dimensional portal/curvature of space and time; in other words only Space-Time Ninjutsu can counter the effects of other Space time Ninjutsu. Hence why:

Kakashi's Kamui can counter Obito's.
Obito's Kamui can counter Kakashi's.
Minato was able to escape Kamui with FTG.
Sasuke could escape Kamui with Amenotijikara.
Kakashi could warp Kaguya's portal with Kamui.

-> 2) Even when it's that large; Madara's Shinra Tensei would still blow it away. The only way Madara's Shinra Tensei would fail is if Kaguya's Goudama attains a circumference larger than that of Planet earth.
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[TRE MERCER]

Lol so wait Obito can't faze through st now? I hope this doesn't start a trend

 

[Eng nawashi]

Lol so wait Obito can't faze through st now? I hope this doesn't start a trend

ST is replusive power ,so yes it works on obito unless you can argue that obito with intangibility can negate the earth gravity and fly which isnt true considering that he couldnt resist him falling in the valley made by konan papers .

 

[BenjerminGaye]

ST is replusive power ,so yes it works on obito unless you can argue that obito with intangibility can negate the earth gravity and fly which isnt true considering that he couldnt resist him falling in the valley made by konan papers .

Bad logic.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Bad logic.

Care to explain why?
I wonder what obito does to go up again after phasing through the ground !?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Care to explain why?
I wonder what obito does to go up again after phasing through the ground !?

Because obito already risen through the floor before.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Because obito already risen through the floor before.

I thought about that too but if he can really negate gravity ,why was he falling in konan valley without him doing anything about that ?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I thought about that too but if he can really negate gravity ,why was he falling in konan valley without him doing anything about that ?

Who knows. But with your logic he should be able to rise out of the floor. I'm not giving you an answer, I'm just saying your answer is bad.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Who knows. But with your logic he should be able to rise out of the floor. I'm not giving you an answer, I'm just saying your answer is bad.

Or him rising out the ground has nothing to do with negating gravity ?Lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

Or him rising out the ground has nothing to do with negating gravity ?Lol

BenjerminGaye is right you clown. Obito while Intangible stands on the ground but when he wants he can casually slip through the ground.