Hidan and Kakuzu vs Kabuto

[Curse Mark]

Nope. He uses an ability called Den'ien'ei (Strange Transmission Distant Shadow) which is basically a senjutsu technique that lets him make free use of the talents, abilities and KKG of the DNA's original owners. No SM=No Senjutsu. No Senjutsu=No Den'ien'ei. No Den'ien'ei=No Sound 5 abilities or Orochimaru abilities bar generic snake summons and Oral Rebirth.

Any place I can read more about this besides wiki? I always was curious but just assumed he took their DNA like he did suigetsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Any place I can read more about this besides wiki? I always was curious but just assumed he took their DNA like he did suigetsu.

You'll have to locate the DB entry, but it'll just tell you the same thing I told you.

 

[Apêx1]

They werent in SM until we witness him dodging Arrow inside one of them..

What did they do that was worth talking about before that? lol..

Disagree but irrelevant if we argue if it is or not/whos right or wrong. Addressed above.

Kabuto wasnt in SM. He strictly uses the snake's personal senses to track Sasuke and Itachi.

Again, how are their smelling senses relevant here when nobody is hiding, and what feats are you even suggesting are decent?

Kabuto has DNA which can perform it for him. So he can parry Hidan while DNA support by either giving him more hands to work with or summoning a fodder boss snake to counter your point.

Wtf? Since when did you start fan-fics? Kabuto has DNA that can perform a summoning contract for him? That's new to me. He can't make more hands to work with, that's complete fan-fic based on nothing. Nor has it ever been used, implied to be usable, or been a possibility for IC Kabuto. Second of all, snakes can't summon a fodder boss snake so I have no idea what you are talking about. I hope this is just you failing to convey your point properly.

@Bold, Not true: [

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] he is capable of switching it on or, by looking at this context have his Snake spot it for him. But back to my point of why I implied bold-->[

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Dude.. Kabuto's snakes smell and sense body heat. You have absolutely 0 proof of them being chakra sensors. So that won't work against Gian, seeing how the only thing they'll be sensing is the immense heat from the fire, and not the heat from the Gian.

1. Futon = Kabuto can break down into liquid molecules so that means nothing.. But ill give the benefit of the doubt that it will leave Kabuto open right after. Addressed how he blocks it via summoning.

2. Katon = Addressed blocked by sacrificing summoning. I have a feeling Gold armor helps against this burning attack.

3. Raiton = Apex we have been through this argument countless of times. Kabuto hydricfication is based on his body fluids, which we have witness isnt conductible by fake/artificial lightening. He will need Suiton.

So where did you talk about Futon+Katon which is explosive (according to DB) and extremely hot? Small snake boss gets smashed by it and so does Kabuto. This is especially the case if it's a combo of ATSUGAI and Zukkoku. The snake will go flying/melt and so will Kabuto (he'll evaporate instead).

No, you obviously don't know what you are talking about. Things that are 'bad conductor's still conduct electricity depending on the amount of output there is. Human biofluid is 70% water and solutes include electrolytes which are EXCELLENT conductors. Air is NOT a conductor of electricyt but a large enough output can still be conducted. It merely does not conduct electricity in the same way as metals would, but it still conducts. We are talking about fluids here, which have the ability to conduct (some poorly some well, but certainly they are not insulators [Which STILL conduct]). When did it not conduct electricity? Scans? I do't even recall Kabuto EVER going up against a Raiton user.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What did they do that was worth talking about before that? lol..

Track Sasuke and Itachi every movement. They were forced back and had them no choice but to parry them with Susanoo.

Again, how are their smelling senses relevant here when nobody is hiding, and what feats are you even suggesting are decent?

Addressed above.. Itachi and Sasuke weren't hiding..

Wtf? Since when did you start fan-fics? Kabuto has DNA that can perform a summoning contract for him?
That's new to me.

Are you really that surprised that DNA of the user is under contract for summoning?
Are you really surprised on how Strange Transmission Distant Shadow works?

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He can't make more hands to work with, that's complete fan-fic based on nothing. Nor has it ever been used, implied to be usable, or been a possibility for IC Kabuto. Second of all, snakes can't summon a fodder boss snake so I have no idea what you are talking about. I hope this is just you failing to convey your point properly.

Are you even reading my points? DNA = Den'ien'ei which = Strange Transmission Distant Shadow

Dude.. Kabuto's snakes smell and sense body heat. You have absolutely 0 proof of them being chakra sensors. So that won't work against Gian, seeing how the only thing they'll be sensing is the immense heat from the fire, and not the heat from the Gian.

The context specifically showed the snake being caught in awareness then communicates with Kabuto that he found a specific person. That kind description isn't remotely close to snake ability to perceive their surroundings through body heat and with its tongue, which wasn't use here in that scan. Then I outright post this which shouldnt be denied:

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So where did you talk about Futon+Katon which is explosive (according to DB) and extremely hot? Small snake boss gets smashed by it and so does Kabuto. This is especially the case if it's a combo of ATSUGAI and Zukkoku. The snake will go flying/melt and so will Kabuto (he'll evaporate instead).

I dont think I mentioned small snakes against this specific move. Let me clarify.[

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No, you obviously don't know what you are talking about. Things that are 'bad conductor's still conduct electricity depending on the amount of output there is. Human biofluid is 70% water and solutes include electrolytes which are EXCELLENT conductors. Air is NOT a conductor of electricyt but a large enough output can still be conducted. It merely does not conduct electricity in the same way as metals would, but it still conducts. We are talking about fluids here, which have the ability to conduct (some poorly some well, but certainly they are not insulators [Which STILL conduct]). When did it not conduct electricity? Scans? I do't even recall Kabuto EVER going up against a Raiton user.

I guess you have short term memory. You logic fails when comparing it to Raiton to natural lightening. When the priorities is strictly to penetrate, it will only penetrate[

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]. Unless its water or Suiton its being conductible.

@Bold: Your messing with me Lol. But its irrelevant

 

[Apêx1]

Track Sasuke and Itachi every movement. They were forced back and had them no choice but to parry them with Susanoo.

Addressed above.. Itachi and Sasuke weren't hiding..[/quote]

Holy shit man. You keep stating these random ass claims and NEVER back up your shit with scans. They didn't pressure Itachi and Sasuke in ANY way to warrant a single feat. The only thing they did was attack them once and Sasuke/Itachi used Susano to clear. Does that mean they needed to use Susano? Obviously not, it's a baseless claim, especially when they could've easily evaded them. So once you tell me how they have relevance against Hidan and Kakuzu you can start talking about this again. Until then "Itachi and Sasuke using Susano to rip them to pieces" is not a feat which tells me Hidan and Kakuzu will have trouble with them.

Are you really that surprised that DNA of the user is under contract for summoning?
Are you really surprised on how Strange Transmission Distant Shadow works?

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Good thing this "DNA" doesn't even have blood for a summoning contract buddy

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. So this means he either cannot form extra limbs as they are not actually part of him or that he lacks blood in general and thus cannot summon through conventional means like blood contracts (so instead he'd need to use his summoning scroll for Manda II which is maybe why he has full control over it).

Stop. LOL. This is priceless, now you start saying Kabuto can use Den'ien'ei in this mode? DNA and Den'ien'ei are NOT the same thing at all, Den'ien'ei is a Senjutsu ability which manifests the torso of Sakon. When you were saying DNA I obviously took it literally since Den'ien'ei is not a part of his arsenal.

Are you even reading my points? DNA = Den'ien'ei which = Strange Transmission Distant Shadow

Addressed this bullshit.

The context specifically showed the snake being caught in awareness then communicates with Kabuto that he found a specific person. That kind description isn't remotely close to snake ability to perceive their surroundings through body heat and with its tongue, which wasn't use here in that scan. Then I outright post this which shouldnt be denied:

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Sensory takes many forms and you assuming it's chakra sensory he was talking about is completely retarded. Furthermore, snake's only sense via smell and sensing temperature as Sasuke stated and Kabuto indirectly corroborating

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. No reason AT ALL to believe it's a chakra sensor, it just means it has an extremely powerful sense of smell. Stop pulling all this shit out of your ass, I know you want your lovely Kabuto to be stronger than he is canonically but making up half-supported fan-fic feats is not the way to go.

I dont think I mentioned small snakes against this specific move. Let me clarify.[

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Which he will never able to summon because Hidan is on his ass all day.

I guess you have short term memory. You logic fails when comparing it to Raiton to natural lightening. When the priorities is strictly to penetrate, it will only penetrate[

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]. Unless its water or Suiton its being conductible.

@Bold: Your messing with me Lol. But its irrelevant

I guess you didn't get the memo the last time we argued this. Raiton has numbed people down in its shape manipulated form already so it obviously electrocutes as Yamato has stated

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. Just like his Chidori Senbon being 'formed to penetrate' deactivated Deidara's C1 clay

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by overloading them with electricity

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. Stop this laughable bullshit about natural and unnatural lightning.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Holy shit man. You keep stating these random ass claims and NEVER back up your shit with scans. They didn't pressure Itachi and Sasuke in ANY way to warrant a single feat. The only thing they did was attack them once and Sasuke/Itachi used Susano to clear. Does that mean they needed to use Susano? Obviously not, it's a baseless claim, especially when they could've easily evaded them. So once you tell me how they have relevance against Hidan and Kakuzu you can start talking about this again. Until then "Itachi and Sasuke using Susano to rip them to pieces" is not a feat which tells me Hidan and Kakuzu will have trouble with them.

My fault overestimating you. I would expect to you to actually look at the scene I mentions yourself. You know it happen in the beginning of Kabuto and Itachis fight. You know how to find the manga pages yourself. But it seem baby sitting is necessary every-time I need to argue with you. Snakes were clearly able to track their movements as Itachi mentioned[

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]. Snakes attacked[

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] and Itachi and Sasuke attempt to retreat away from that very scan. Itachi/Sasuke were then force to stop snakes movements via Susanoo[

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]. And before you said they didnt even move an inch to counter it. Go back to link 2 where the area has no signs of stalagmite/pillars around them when they were getting attacked. The next scan shows they retreated back from the hole Itachi bust open. So the one making baseless claim is one on where his denying that Snakes track their every movement and was force to parry with Susanoo.

Good thing this "DNA" doesn't even have blood for a summoning contract buddy

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. So this means he either cannot form extra limbs as they are not actually part of him or that he lacks blood in general and thus cannot summon through conventional means like blood contracts (so instead he'd need to use his summoning scroll for Manda II which is maybe why he has full control over it).

Stop. LOL. This is priceless, now you start saying Kabuto can use Den'ien'ei in this mode? DNA and Den'ien'ei are NOT the same thing at all, Den'ien'ei is a Senjutsu ability which manifests the torso of Sakon. When you were saying DNA I obviously took it literally since Den'ien'ei is not a part of his arsenal

1. DNA is the acronym I used to say the name of the jutsu. Same way people use acronym for any jutsu they dont feel like typing the whole thing

2. Read the damn OP. I literally addressed the "update" version from our very rebuttal starting at pg 1 from each other. And you decided to skip that part? K

Sensory takes many forms and you assuming it's chakra sensory he was talking about is completely retarded. Furthermore, snake's only sense via smell and sensing temperature as Sasuke stated and Kabuto indirectly corroborating

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. No reason AT ALL to believe it's a chakra sensor, it just means it has an extremely powerful sense of smell. Stop pulling all this shit out of your ass, I know you want your lovely Kabuto to be stronger than he is canonically but making up half-supported fan-fic feats is not the way to go.

Can you stop and read Apex? The context specifically showed the snake being caught in awareness then communicates with Kabuto that he found a specific person. Heat sensing does not allow to track a specific person or their signature your looking for. It only tracks all heat signal it can picks up.

Then we have manga that out right stated he had sensory and is now even better. Which we know he cant use heat sensing himself.

Which he will never able to summon because Hidan is on his ass all day.

Addressed

I guess you didn't get the memo the last time we argued this. Raiton has numbed people down in its shape manipulated form already so it obviously electrocutes as Yamato has stated

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. Just like his Chidori Senbon being 'formed to penetrate' deactivated Deidara's C1 clay

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by overloading them with electricity

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. Stop this laughable bullshit about natural and unnatural lightning.

Yes we went though the fact that numbing the opponent like Kabuto isn't going to stop Kabuto movements, yet alone electrocute him when the jutsu is built to penetrate him. Doton gets neutralizes by Raiton, clearly stated by manga and Sasuke, so electricity is going to do its function as if it were to against Suiton. As for this case Kakuzu Raiton will spear through and bisect Kabuto not fry him by electrocution

 

[Apêx1]

My fault overestimating you. I would expect to you to actually look at the scene I mentions yourself. You know it happen in the beginning of Kabuto and Itachis fight. You know how to find the manga pages yourself. But it seem baby sitting is necessary every-time I need to argue with you. Snakes were clearly able to track their movements as Itachi mentioned[

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]. Snakes attacked[

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] and Itachi and Sasuke attempt to retreat away from that very scan. Itachi/Sasuke were then force to stop snakes movements via Susanoo[

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]. And before you said they didnt even move an inch to counter it. Go back to link 2 where the area has no signs of stalagmite/pillars around them when they were getting attacked. The next scan shows they retreated back from the hole Itachi bust open. So the one making baseless claim is one on where his denying that Snakes track their every movement and was force to parry with Susanoo.

Hahahah I was waiting for this. I didn't want to say something that you imply with your words just to hear you say you never explicitly stated that. So you say Itachi claims snakes were able to track their movements? Reading comprehension failure #1. I'll be pointing them out for you like this to show how shit you reading comprehension apparently is. Itachi said they can sense their presence. Where did you get movements from buddy? Another one of your self-created facts? Because Itachi and Sasuke did not even move. Lmfao. So point 1 goes to shit.

Reading comprehension failure #2. Kabuto is directly facing Sasuke and Itachi a few pages before the snakes attack

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. After the attack we see that Kabuto's cloak is directly in front of the two Susano facing them

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. So lol at you saying they tried to retreat, this is some hilarious bullshit, but I clearly debunked your fan-fics yet again. Stalagmite pillars, etc are completely irrelevant, Kabuto is facing them and that's all that matters, meaning they didn't move from where they were originally standing.

1. DNA is the acronym I used to say the name of the jutsu. Same way people use acronym for any jutsu they dont feel like typing the whole thing

2. Read the damn OP. I literally addressed the "update" version from our very rebuttal starting at pg 1 from each other. And you decided to skip that part? K

It's not an acronym, an acronym uses initial letters. Either way when we started this debate it was a canonical match-up, you wanting to change the OP to help aid your beyond is irrelevant to me when our debate had already started. It's like me making a thread and debating someone and then when things start getting harder for me I'll change the intel/distance/mindset, etc. and act like it's his problem for not adjusting to it. NOT how it works buddy.

Can you stop and read Apex? The context specifically showed the snake being caught in awareness then communicates with Kabuto that he found a specific person. Heat sensing does not allow to track a specific person or their signature your looking for. It only tracks all heat signal it can picks up.

Then we have manga that out right stated he had sensory and is now even better. Which we know he cant use heat sensing himself.

Again, did I say heat signal? No I fukin didn't, I said his sense of SMELL is extreme. Naruto has a specific smell, the snake can sniff him out, the end. That's all there is to it, telling me snakes are chakra sensors is completely retarded and unsubstantiated when Sasuke already stated the only two ways they can sense and Kabuto agreed with him.

Yes, does that mean chakra sensing? No it doesn't. Can you prove it does? No you fukin can't. Can you make assumptions on which form of sensing it is? No you can't. Are there any forms of sensing? Yes. So again, unless you have some scan saying he's a chakra sensor, or showing him using chakra sensory, stop trying this idiotic claim.

Yes we went though the fact that numbing the opponent like Kabuto isn't going to stop Kabuto movements, yet alone electrocute him when the jutsu is built to penetrate him. Doton gets neutralizes by Raiton, clearly stated by manga and Sasuke, so electricity is going to do its function as if it were to against Suiton. As for this case Kakuzu Raiton will spear through and bisect Kabuto not fry him by electrocution

It will because he will turn into a bunch of biofluid that will allow the conduction of electricity all throughout his body just like water does (Suiton is pure uncontaminated non-salt water so just like real life it shouldn't conduct electricity, let alone as well as electrolyte solute). So if anything Kabuto is more conductive than Suigetsu. So Gian fries him no diff and leaves him paralysed because of his conductive body. A small Senbon could overload clay with electricity. Stop with your bullshit fan-fics, a Gian which is massively large will fry Kabuto's conductive body. I shat on your point before about Kabuto's body being biofluid instead of water yet that point actually works against you ironically enough.

 

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My fault overestimating you. I would expect to you to actually look at the scene I mentions yourself. You know it happen in the beginning of Kabuto and Itachis fight. You know how to find the manga pages yourself. But it seem baby sitting is necessary every-time I need to argue with you. Snakes were clearly able to track their movements as Itachi mentioned[

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]. Snakes attacked[

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] and Itachi and Sasuke attempt to retreat away from that very scan. Itachi/Sasuke were then force to stop snakes movements via Susanoo[

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]. And before you said they didnt even move an inch to counter it. Go back to link 2 where the area has no signs of stalagmite/pillars around them when they were getting attacked. The next scan shows they retreated back from the hole Itachi bust open. So the one making baseless claim is one on where his denying that Snakes track their every movement and was force to parry with Susanoo.

Hmm, so we have:

-Gojo>Juubidama.
-Gojo>People who don't have Juubi level durability.
-KCM Naruto=EMS Sasuke's Ribcage Susanoo in durability.
-Kabuto's snakes were too fast for Itachi and Sasuke to escape.
-Itachi and Sasuke tried to escape.
-Snakes can track movement.
-Electricity won't electrocute Kabuto when he turns himself or his insides to water.
-Manda II can catch PS's blade.
-Manda II can take on PS.
-Continuous Bijuu Dama from B can knock PS on the ground.
-B can dodge PS's blade.

:lol Oh boy this guy just never quits.

 

[Apêx1]

Hmm, so we have:

-Gojo>Juubidama.
-Gojo>People who don't have Juubi level durability.
-KCM Naruto=EMS Sasuke's Ribcage Susanoo in durability.
-Kabuto's snakes were too fast for Itachi and Sasuke to escape.
-Itachi and Sasuke tried to escape.
-Snakes can track movement.
-Electricity won't electrocute Kabuto when he turns himself or his insides to water.
-Manda II can catch PS's blade.
-Manda II can take on PS.
-Continuous Bijuu Dama from B can knock PS on the ground.
-B can dodge PS's blade.

:lol Oh boy this guy just never quits.

Rofl this guys is just too much. Would not be surprised if he has Kabuto waifu pillows or some stupid shit like that.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hahahah I was waiting for this. I didn't want to say something that you imply with your words just to hear you say you never explicitly stated that. So you say Itachi claims snakes were able to track their movements? Reading comprehension failure #1. I'll be pointing them out for you like this to show how shit you reading comprehension apparently is. Itachi said they can sense their presence. Where did you get movements from buddy? Another one of your self-created facts? Because Itachi and Sasuke did not even move. Lmfao. So point 1 goes to shit.

OH NO YOU GOT ME!

Except thats literally the same meaning. Not like I was ever implying they get precog or some ****. They know exactly where they are so they can track them when they attack.

Reading comprehension failure #2. Kabuto is directly facing Sasuke and Itachi a few pages before the snakes attack

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. After the attack we see that Kabuto's cloak is directly in front of the two Susano facing them

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. So lol at you saying they tried to retreat, this is some hilarious bullshit, but I clearly debunked your fan-fics yet again. Stalagmite pillars, etc are completely irrelevant, Kabuto is facing them and that's all that matters, meaning they didn't move from where they were originally standing.

Reading failure #2: @Bold Nice way to fabricate the manga so that you can sound right. The location Kabuto was clear of stalagmites/pillars because it was clearly showing a different sections of the cave he took part in. The wall behind Itachi and Sasuke is another different section of the cave full of Stalagmite pillars. They were force to retreat behind the very wall Itachi came in[

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]. The place with no pillars isn't going to magically have pillars for those snakes to break down anywhere near Kabuto's room Lol.

And then we have Sasuke pulling him in into their location

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It's not an acronym, an acronym uses initial letters. Either way when we started this debate it was a canonical match-up, you wanting to change the OP to help aid your beyond is irrelevant to me when our debate had already started. It's like me making a thread and debating someone and then when things start getting harder for me I'll change the intel/distance/mindset, etc. and act like it's his problem for not adjusting to it. NOT how it works buddy.

If it was a canonical match up, I wouldnt give Kakuzu his Suiton or Hidan a fan fic ritual and thats clearly broken move to make up so there goes you implying being bias here. 2. I didnt know everyone was on the same page of Kabuto using DNA so I added in when it was mentioned in this thread itself, before you even mentioned if DNA is capable. So it clearly works when you read into the thread and was clearly quoted by our rebuttal.

Again, did I say heat signal? No I fukin didn't, I said his sense of SMELL is extreme. Naruto has a specific smell, the snake can sniff him out, the end. That's all there is to it, telling me snakes are chakra sensors is completely retarded and unsubstantiated when Sasuke already stated the only two ways they can sense and Kabuto agreed with him.

Then ill drop that point.

Yes, does that mean chakra sensing? No it doesn't. Can you prove it does? No you fukin can't. Can you make assumptions on which form of sensing it is? No you can't. Are there any forms of sensing? Yes. So again, unless you have some scan saying he's a chakra sensor, or showing him using chakra sensory, stop trying this idiotic claim.

Ah yes I can prove it.

1. They are different types of sensory abilities.
2. Not every sensory abilities help increase perception
3. Kabuto was talking about his perception being increase by his sensory. And said it was better now.

It will because he will turn into a bunch of biofluid that will allow the conduction of electricity all throughout his body just like water does (Suiton is pure uncontaminated non-salt water so just like real life it shouldn't conduct electricity, let alone as well as electrolyte solute). So if anything Kabuto is more conductive than Suigetsu. So Gian fries him no diff and leaves him paralysed because of his conductive body. A small Senbon could overload clay with electricity. Stop with your bullshit fan-fics, a Gian which is massively large will fry Kabuto's conductive body. I shat on your point before about Kabuto's body being biofluid instead of water yet that point actually works against you ironically enough.

Um except I never implied Kabuto goes in puddle mode to counter Raiton. He can clearly alter only his insides to ignore physical attacks. Worst case, Kabuto gets bisect and recovery much like Orochimaru did against KN4 spiting him in half. Call me when you have evidence for such till then Imma keep leaving this here like your logic matches manga:

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Hmm, so we have:

-Gojo>Juubidama.
-Gojo>People who don't have Juubi level durability.
-KCM Naruto=EMS Sasuke's Ribcage Susanoo in durability.
-Kabuto's snakes were too fast for Itachi and Sasuke to escape.
-Itachi and Sasuke tried to escape.
-Snakes can track movement.
-Electricity won't electrocute Kabuto when he turns himself or his insides to water.
-Manda II can catch PS's blade.
-Manda II can take on PS.
-Continuous Bijuu Dama from B can knock PS on the ground.
-B can dodge PS's blade.

:lol Oh boy this guy just never quits.

Hm so we have

- Kurama claw>Juubidama
- comparing impaling force to snatching someone
- A guy who loves to strawman for their ego boost.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hm so we have

- Kurama claw>Juubidama
- comparing impaling force to snatching someone
- A guy who loves to strawman for their ego boost.

LMFAO I forgot to add strawman retard to the list. When you can get me quotes of any of this then we can talk.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

LMFAO I forgot to add strawman retard to the list. When you can get me quotes of any of this then we can talk.

Except who said I was actually gonna sit there and waste my time being augmentative with you? Not me you over zealous prick

 

[KidGamer65]

Rofl this guys is just too much. Would not be surprised if he has Kabuto waifu pillows or some stupid shit like that.

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[Apêx1]

OH NO YOU GOT ME!

Except thats literally the same meaning. Not like I was ever implying they get precog or some ****. They know exactly where they are so they can track them when they attack.

Nice contradiction with this part of your post;

1. They are different types of sensory abilities.
2. Not every sensory abilities help increase perception

So nice try, but their movements were not tracked at all nor was it implied. Knowing where they are does not mean shit. They have eyes too so they know where they are, much feat, very wow bro.

Reading failure #2: @Bold Nice way to fabricate the manga so that you can sound right. The location Kabuto was clear of stalagmites/pillars because it was clearly showing a different sections of the cave he took part in. The wall behind Itachi and Sasuke is another different section of the cave full of Stalagmite pillars. They were force to retreat behind the very wall Itachi came in[

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]. The place with no pillars isn't going to magically have pillars for those snakes to break down anywhere near Kabuto's room Lol.

And then we have Sasuke pulling him in into their location

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Yet when Kabuto is pulled by Sasuke's Susano we see Sasuke's Susano's position and there is no entrance in between them

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. I see what you mean though, but it doesn't make sense based on the page I just gave of Kabuto not being behind the entrance to the different section of the cave. Kishi must've made a mistake (somewhere) because I don't get how what happened here happened.

If it was a canonical match up, I wouldnt give Kakuzu his Suiton or Hidan a fan fic ritual and thats clearly broken move to make up so there goes you implying being bias here. 2. I didnt know everyone was on the same page of Kabuto using DNA so I added in when it was mentioned in this thread itself, before you even mentioned if DNA is capable. So it clearly works when you read into the thread and was clearly quoted by our rebuttal.

Yes, and knowing it's a canonical match-up I assumed that Kabuto didn't have Senjutsu requiring abilities, obviously. I said this quote "-Massive snakes can't be summoned as a counter-measure to large scale ninjutsu since Hidan is pressuring Kabuto. If he uses his hands for anything other than blocking he'll be scathed and lose. Snakes are not stopping his Scythe's strength and penetrative power" before you ever mentioned DNA. When you did I assumed you were not talking about the ability you just gave Kabuto as a fan-fic in this thread because our debate had already started, and you used something you just introduced to counter it. Not how it works buddy. Don't care about what you gave Hidan or Kakuzu, especially when Kakuzu having a high-level Suiton affinity mask is canon in the first place.

Then ill drop that point.

Ah yes I can prove it.

1. They are different types of sensory abilities.
2. Not every sensory abilities help increase perception
3. Kabuto was talking about his perception being increase by his sensory. And said it was better now.

That means he's capable of sensing better through whatever means he used before. Thos means could've been a variety of things, including sensing barriers, chakra sensory, sensory through ninjutsu like rain sensing/Konan's paper sensing, etc. So don't tell me it's chakra sensory before you can rule out all these options.

Um except I never implied Kabuto goes in puddle mode to counter Raiton. He can clearly alter only his insides to ignore physical attacks. Worst case, Kabuto gets bisect and recovery much like Orochimaru did against KN4 spiting him in half. Call me when you have evidence for such till then Imma keep leaving this here like your logic matches manga:

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And I never stated he will. His insides turning into biofluid means he's going to be deep-fried. And how does Gian bisect? Lmao, it puts a hole in him, so recovering like Oro isn't an option in the first place. Especially when he would need to activate Oro's white snake powers, since it's not passive in the first place. Either way, electricity being conducted by his entire insides will leave him paralyses since his insides will be electrolyte solute and water which can conduct electricity with ease. Gian is a long stream so it will take quite some time before it's done passing through him, unlike projectile attacks which pass through in an instant and are done then and there. Kabuto gets smashed by it and Kakuzu proceeds to blitz after it.

Not sure how Oro's is similar when 1. Kabuto is not Oro and does not have the external DNA's Oro has obtained. 2. There was no biofluid helping conduct that electricity. 3. Gian=Raikiri>>Chidori>>Chidori Eiso, so moot point.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nice contradiction with this part of your post;

Thats not a contradictions. precog doesnt automatically applied in context. Otherwise I would say Raikage reflexes is the same as Sharingan.

So nice try, but their movements were not tracked at all nor was it implied. Knowing where they are does not mean shit. They have eyes too so they know where they are, much feat, very wow bro.

They used the method of tracking smell and heat Sasuke/Itachi to track them. They/or Kabuto were preventing Genjutsu so that context clearly was showing their track methods without eyes. Even if they did used their eyes its still support my point by the fact that they force Itachi and Sasuke to block with Susanoo instead of escaping from the sides.

Yet when Kabuto is pulled by Sasuke's Susano we see Sasuke's Susano's position and there is no entrance in between them

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. I see what you mean though, but it doesn't make sense based on the page I just gave of Kabuto not being behind the entrance to the different section of the cave. Kishi must've made a mistake (somewhere) because I don't get how what happened here happened.

Sasuke move behind the hole to trap him in between him and Itachi. Pillars is blocking some LoS of the hole:

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Yes, and knowing it's a canonical match-up I assumed that Kabuto didn't have Senjutsu requiring abilities, obviously. I said this quote "-Massive snakes can't be summoned as a counter-measure to large scale ninjutsu since Hidan is pressuring Kabuto. If he uses his hands for anything other than blocking he'll be scathed and lose. Snakes are not stopping his Scythe's strength and penetrative power" before you ever mentioned DNA. When you did I assumed you were not talking about the ability you just gave Kabuto as a fan-fic in this thread because our debate had already started, and you used something you just introduced to counter it. Not how it works buddy. Don't care about what you gave Hidan or Kakuzu, especially when Kakuzu having a high-level Suiton affinity mask is canon in the first place.

So theres the confusing between us. You knew @bold and I believed @bold is possible to muster that kind of chakra without going into SM, based on my reasoning for Orochimaru's CS. I thought it didnt need to be a condition.

That means he's capable of sensing better through whatever means he used before. Thos means could've been a variety of things, including sensing barriers, chakra sensory, sensory through ninjutsu like rain sensing/Konan's paper sensing, etc. So don't tell me it's chakra sensory before you can rule out all these options.

Im all open ears on what can help his perceptions other then SM and chakra sense. Ill concede then.

And I never stated he will. His insides turning into biofluid means he's going to be deep-fried. And how does Gian bisect? Lmao, it puts a hole in him, so recovering like Oro isn't an option in the first place. Especially when he would need to activate Oro's white snake powers, since it's not passive in the first place. Either way, electricity being conducted by his entire insides will leave him paralyses since his insides will be electrolyte solute and water which can conduct electricity with ease. Gian is a long stream so it will take quite some time before it's done passing through him, unlike projectile attacks which pass through in an instant and are done then and there. Kabuto gets smashed by it and Kakuzu proceeds to blitz after it.

Not sure how Oro's is similar when 1. Kabuto is not Oro and does not have the external DNA's Oro has obtained. 2. There was no biofluid helping conduct that electricity. 3. Gian=Raikiri>>Chidori>>Chidori Eiso, so moot point.

This is what Giant does[

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]. A spear shape, penetration force is bisecting him.
He doesnt have to acitvate anything when he already has the shame powers Orochimaru does, stated by Sasuke. And Powers of the White Snake Anko. Dont feel like finding the scans on those until I come back. Hoping you take my word for it tho

 

[Worm]

god damn ej, i've always told u to watch the shit u say

if there was a hagoromo vs konohamaru thread, where anyone was defending konohamaru and u hagoromo, u'd still make urself look retarded

please do us a favor, and use some fkin CAPTCHA to tell whether ur post is smart enough or not, like wtf??????? kurama claw > juubidama?????????

bruh like, i remember when i tried to help but DAMN MAN, u just making it seem like (....!!!!!!) hard af, like bruh just stop STOP

 

[Apêx1]

Thats not a contradictions. precog doesnt automatically applied in context. Otherwise I would say Raikage reflexes is the same as Sharingan.

Wot? SO basically the SAME as their eyes? Lmao.. What a feat that is bro 10/10

They used the method of tracking smell and heat Sasuke/Itachi to track them. They/or Kabuto were preventing Genjutsu so that context clearly was showing their track methods without eyes. Even if they did used their eyes its still support my point by the fact that they force Itachi and Sasuke to block with Susanoo instead of escaping from the sides.

???? Stop ignoring what Sasuke said.

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"SNakes can sense things through temperature.. and also with their sense of smell". Those are the two ways they can sense as outlined by Sasuke. He was not saying what they were doing to sense them, he was denoting the ways in which snakes can sense. No idea how that differs from using eyes, probably because it doesn't.

Sasuke move behind the hole to trap him in between him and Itachi. Pillars is blocking some LoS of the hole:

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Dude, Kabuto was also behind that hole

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with Itachi and Sasuke. Yet the page you are showing shows both of them in the same area instead of only Sasuke and Itachi. There's supposed to be a clear seperation between Kabuto and the Uchiha brothers, yet they're in the same area of the cave.

So theres the confusing between us. You knew @bold and I believed @bold is possible to muster that kind of chakra without going into SM, based on my reasoning for Orochimaru's CS. I thought it didnt need to be a condition.

Yes, and that's your problem. Not that it matters, since this Kabuto still loses.

Im all open ears on what can help his perceptions other then SM and chakra sense. Ill concede then.

Jiraiya's sensory barrier jutsu for one. Nagato's Rain sensing jutsu. Etc. So this proves that not all sensory is chakra sensory, and since we don't know what Kabuto's sensory form is, we can't make the assumption that it is chakra sensory like what Mu and Karin use. It could be an variety of things, so making an assertion or assumption on what Kabuto's jutsu is or how it works is completely baseless and has no place in the VS section.

This is what Giant does[

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]. A spear shape, penetration force is bisecting him.
He doesnt have to acitvate anything when he already has the shame powers Orochimaru does, stated by Sasuke. And Powers of the White Snake Anko. Dont feel like finding the scans on those until I come back. Hoping you take my word for it tho

A spear being thrusted into you does NOT bisect you. It puts a hole in you. And even if it did which it might, snakes melding him together obviously won't work here seeing how even when Gian crosses ~10 meters [

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] it still is being released from the masks mouth. So it's a stream. Thus even if Kabuto was bisected he can't be put back together since his upper and lower body will no longer be near one another by the time the Gian finishes (due to gravity) given it's being streamed.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Is it my turn to hand EJ another L? Call me when he's ready

 

[Zexion~]

Give him DSM with base Kabuto speed and he loses U_U

 

[Brother Numpsay]

god damn ej, i've always told u to watch the shit u say

if there was a hagoromo vs konohamaru thread, where anyone was defending konohamaru and u hagoromo, u'd still make urself look retarded

please do us a favor, and use some fkin CAPTCHA to tell whether ur post is smart enough or not, like wtf??????? kurama claw > juubidama?????????

bruh like, i remember when i tried to help but DAMN MAN, u just making it seem like (....!!!!!!) hard af, like bruh just stop STOP

Is this AC?

1. What the heck is Captcha?

2. @Bold, I didnt make that claim, I was making fun of the person implying that. Since the guy likes to strawman quotes I made. Just to show how dumb it is.

3. Dont bother listening to these people. They'll just instigating for attention, to make the arguments look good.

Wot? SO basically the SAME as their eyes? Lmao.. What a feat that is bro 10/10

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???? Stop ignoring what Sasuke said.

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"SNakes can sense things through temperature.. and also with their sense of smell". Those are the two ways they can sense as outlined by Sasuke. He was not saying what they were doing to sense them, he was denoting the ways in which snakes can sense. No idea how that differs from using eyes, probably because it doesn't.

I suggestion you stop ignoring Sasuke words as he clearly said theyre preventing genjutus, which is the first thing he said. Whats their method of preventing Sharingan Genjutsu? Direct eye contact?

Dude, Kabuto was also behind that hole

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with Itachi and Sasuke. Yet the page you are showing shows both of them in the same area instead of only Sasuke and Itachi. There's supposed to be a clear seperation between Kabuto and the Uchiha brothers, yet they're in the same area of the cave.

No he wasnt Apex. How the hell are you going to post a scan of Itachi and Sasuke being behind the hole and then say Kabuto was behind the hole too, when his facing them? Makes no sense.

They both end up in that area because they DRAGGED KABUTO to their area they were pushed back. Why are you complicating theses scans when its not hard to understand?

Jiraiya's sensory barrier jutsu for one. Nagato's Rain sensing jutsu. Etc. So this proves that not all sensory is chakra sensory, and since we don't know what Kabuto's sensory form is, we can't make the assumption that it is chakra sensory like what Mu and Karin use. It could be an variety of things, so making an assertion or assumption on what Kabuto's jutsu is or how it works is completely baseless and has no place in the VS section.

Again none of these jutsu helps Kabuto's reflexes. This is the context Kabuto stated. Your the one making the assumption. Im going by Kabuto own words that his chakra sense is better. Until you have a chakra sense method, that helps his reflexes, then you have no point

A spear being thrusted into you does NOT bisect you. It puts a hole in you. And even if it did which it might, snakes melding him together obviously won't work here seeing how even when Gian crosses ~10 meters [

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] it still is being released from the masks mouth. So it's a stream. Thus even if Kabuto was bisected he can't be put back together since his upper and lower body will no longer be near one another by the time the Gian finishes (due to gravity) given it's being streamed.

Its going to bisect base on the fact that its wider then Choji's own body. So yes the tip is going to thrust and its width continues to cut more. Unless Kabuto body is being cut in perfect alignment then it would makes sense. Makes no sense to say he stands there with no motion. So even tilting just a bit would mean his body being split isnt going to stay inbetween the stream

Is it my turn to hand EJ another L? Call me when he's ready

Not surprise your dickriding others peoples post just so you feel like you can gain credibility of the people who cant take you serious. Lol sad