Hidan and Kakuzu vs Kabuto

[Brother Numpsay]

Location: Choji and Shikimaru vs Kakuzu

Distance: Same as location manga scenario above.

Intel: Manga

Restrictions: ET, Manda 2, and Sage Mode.

Conditions:
- Kakuzu featless mask can use high scale/level Suiton (great waterfall).

- Hidan's curse can work with any sort of the opponents DNA, which mean blood is not mandatory.

- Kabuto can use DNA.

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[Lord Tywin]

Kabuto gets raped

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Kabuto loses mid diff. You've taken away all his pretty toys.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I scratch out Hidan made up ability

 

[Lord Tywin]

What exactly changes? :lol

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What exactly changes? :lol

Hidan needs blood for his jutsu to work?

How do they win now?

 

[Lord Tywin]

Hidan needs blood for his jutsu to work?

How do they win now?

How does Kabuto win? I'd say everyone here thinks that Kabuto gets raped

 

[Apêx1]

Lmao wtf.. Kakuzu gets a new heart.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

How does Kabuto win? I'd say everyone here thinks that Kabuto gets raped

I asked you first because Im all open ears to see how the match up will go. You say this match up is 1 sided, so I want to hear how?

 

[Apêx1]

I asked you first because Im all open ears to see how the match up will go. You say this match up is 1 sided, so I want to hear how?

I think he's saying since you're the only one who believes Kabuto wins you're the one who should propose the way in which Kabuto accomplishes it.

But if you want, let's start with Kakuzu's large scan ninjutsu being too strong and Hidan's CQC being too adept/ranged for Kabuto to do anything about it. Basically Hidan engages CQC>Kakuzu uses Atsugai+Zukkoku combo while Hidan is keeping Kabuto busy. How does Kabuto stand a chance at countering?

-Suiton catches Kabuto off-guard and Gian either pierces him while he's restrained by the water or electrocutes him to the point where he's numbed and can no longer stop Hidan from getting his blood.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I think he's saying since you're the only one who believes Kabuto wins you're the one who should propose the way in which Kabuto accomplishes it.

EJB, this is what I'm saying.
inb4 he gives SM Kabuto's feats to this Kabuto

 

[Curse Mark]

So what exactly does Kabuto has access to?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I think he's saying since you're the only one who believes Kabuto wins you're the one who should propose the way in which Kabuto accomplishes it.

I made the match up to make it debatable. It wasnt for me to know who would win the match up.

1. I gave more conditions to Zombie Duo as I expect someone to argue Kabuto winning via tier list.
2. I assumed it was 1 sided when everyone else though it was based on the conditions.
2. Now Im hearing it was already 1 sided for Zombies to begin with.

And I asked first on why it is.

But if you want, let's start with Kakuzu's large scan ninjutsu being too strong and Hidan's CQC being too adept/ranged for Kabuto to do anything about it. Basically Hidan engages CQC>Kakuzu uses Atsugai+Zukkoku combo while Hidan is keeping Kabuto busy. How does Kabuto stand a chance at countering?

I was under the impression that Kabuto can use snake support will be very helpful in this situaion. It forced Itachi and Sasuke to put up Susanoo to counter, based on the fact they were reading their movements with ease. That can 1) Help against Hidan in CQC. 2)

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, and hydricfication can reduce the damage done by the attack.

-Suiton catches Kabuto off-guard and Gian either pierces him while he's restrained by the water or electrocutes him to the point where he's numbed and can no longer stop Hidan from getting his blood.

Thats possible. Snake Summon leverage helps prevent getting caught by the combo.

 

[Apêx1]

I made the match up to make it debatable. It wasnt for me to know who would win the match up.

1. I gave more conditions to Zombie Duo as I expect someone to argue Kabuto winning via tier list.
2. I assumed it was 1 sided when everyone else though it was based on the conditions.
2. Now Im hearing it was already 1 sided for Zombies to begin with.

And I asked first on why it is.



I was under the impression that Kabuto can use snake support will be very helpful in this situaion. It forced Itachi and Sasuke to put up Susanoo to counter, based on the fact they were reading their movements with ease. That can 1) Help against Hidan in CQC. 2)

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, and hydricfication can reduce the damage done by the attack.

Thats possible. Snake Summon leverage helps prevent getting caught by the combo.

-Those snakes were Senjutsu empowered since they were a part of Kabuto and had all his DNA's traits as well. Those snakes were Kabuto and Kabuto was those snakes, hence SM would apply to them as well. This is entirely different since he's not SM here. Also, they are helpful, but not so much against Hidan whose range is way too large for them to be able to bite him without him reacting first.
-Massive snakes can't be summoned as a counter-measure to large scale ninjutsu since Hidan is pressuring Kabuto. If he uses his hands for anything other than blocking he'll be scathed and lose. Snakes are not stopping his Scythe's strength and penetrative power.
-Even then, hypothetically speaking, it would only work once since the next time around Gian kills him as Kabuto has no LoS and won't expect anything without being a chakra sensor.
-Hydrification doesn't help in this match since all of Kakuzu's ninjutsu attacks would shit on it. Atsugai blows him to pieces, any Katon evaporates him and Gian is a counter for Hydrification.

Again, no summons usable when Hidan is pressuring him with his one-shot potential Scythe. I feel like they are a horrendous match-up for Kabuto's abilities.

 

[EZQ]

Kabuto loses mid diff. You've taken away all his pretty toys.

Dude, without SM Kakuzu alone wins low diff.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kabuto loses, obviously. In Base he's left with super healing, liquification, snake abilities and that's pretty much it. :lol His offensive abilities are nothing to write home about and he has zero defensive abilities, only a regenerative ability.

 

[Unorthodox]

Kakuzu solos

 

[Curse Mark]

Kabuto loses, obviously. In Base he's left with super healing, liquification, snake abilities and that's pretty much it. :lol His offensive abilities are nothing to write home about and he has zero defensive abilities, only a regenerative ability.

Would he still have S5?

 

[KidGamer65]

Would he still have S5?

Nope. He uses an ability called Den'ien'ei (Strange Transmission Distant Shadow) which is basically a senjutsu technique that lets him make free use of the talents, abilities and KKG of the DNA's original owners. No SM=No Senjutsu. No Senjutsu=No Den'ien'ei. No Den'ien'ei=No Sound 5 abilities or Orochimaru abilities bar generic snake summons and Oral Rebirth.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

-Those snakes were Senjutsu empowered since they were a part of Kabuto and had all his DNA's traits as well.

They werent in SM until we witness him dodging Arrow inside one of them..

Those snakes were Kabuto and Kabuto was those snakes, hence SM would apply to them as well.

Disagree but irrelevant if we argue if it is or not/whos right or wrong. Addressed above.

This is entirely different since he's not SM here. Also, they are helpful, but not so much against Hidan whose range is way too large for them to be able to bite him without him reacting first.

Kabuto wasnt in SM. He strictly uses the snake's personal senses to track Sasuke and Itachi.

-Massive snakes can't be summoned as a counter-measure to large scale ninjutsu since Hidan is pressuring Kabuto. If he uses his hands for anything other than blocking he'll be scathed and lose. Snakes are not stopping his Scythe's strength and penetrative power.

Kabuto has DNA which can perform it for him. So he can parry Hidan while DNA support by either giving him more hands to work with or summoning a fodder boss snake to counter your point.

-Even then, hypothetically speaking, it would only work once since the next time around Gian kills him as Kabuto has no LoS and won't expect anything without being a chakra sensor.

@Bold, Not true: [

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] he is capable of switching it on or, by looking at this context have his Snake spot it for him. But back to my point of why I implied bold-->[

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-Hydrification doesn't help in this match since all of Kakuzu's ninjutsu attacks would shit on it. Atsugai blows him to pieces, any Katon evaporates him and Gian is a counter for Hydrification.

1. Futon = Kabuto can break down his insides into liquid molecules so that means nothing.. But ill give the benefit of the doubt that it will leave Kabuto open right after. Addressed how he blocks it via summoning.

2. Katon = Addressed blocked by sacrificing summoning. I have a feeling Gold armor helps against this burning attack.

3. Raiton = Apex we have been through this argument countless of times. Kabuto hydricfication is based on his body fluids, which we have witness isnt conductible by fake/artificial lightening. Unless the jutsu itself was built to electrocute. He will need Suiton.

Again, no summons usable when Hidan is pressuring him with his one-shot potential Scythe. I feel like they are a horrendous match-up for Kabuto's abilities.

Addressed by via DNA

Nope. He uses an ability called Den'ien'ei (Strange Transmission Distant Shadow) which is basically a senjutsu technique that lets him make free use of the talents, abilities and KKG of the DNA's original owners. No SM=No Senjutsu. No Senjutsu=No Den'ien'ei. No Den'ien'ei=No Sound 5 abilities or Orochimaru abilities bar generic snake summons and Oral Rebirth.

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