Rinnegan Sasuke vs SM Hashirama

[Beans2]

Restrictions: Rikudou chakra and Shinsuusenju

 

[lndra]

Think I'm going high diff for Hashirama.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Well,I believe that sasuke/ naruto hadn't Hagoromo chakra separated from sun/moon seal as it was never stated in Manga,DB,Gaiden,Movies,Novel or an interview for Kishi that they got Hagoromo chakra halves separated from the seals ,that is something that fans have litterally made up and everyone believed .

On the other hand ,there is an official novel ,written by one of kishi's closest assistants ,confirmed,illustrated and announced by kishi himself ,states that naruto's rikudo chakra comes with the nine biju ,meaning there is no hagromo chakra half .

That doesn't mean they got weaker at all after hagromo taking the seals back, the chakra attached to the seals doesn't boost their power automatically proved by sasuke's chidori color being white all times except when he said he would use rikudo power ,so the feats Sasuke /Naruto got while having the seals still apply after losing the seals unless if it was proceeded by a statement implies that it was used by rikudo chakra attached to the seals (ex:Black chidori)
You may now ask why sasuke/Naruto got drastically stronger? ,the answer is the powerfull chakra of Rinnegan,RSM and Rikudo senjutsu(the mode of 9T and Rinnegan pattern).

With this being said,you restricted something that doesn't exist ,sasuke still shits.

 

[Apêx1]

Intel + starting distance?

 

[Kagustuchi]

Sasuke's only chance of winning is getting within Ameno range since by scaling it should blitz Hashi.

Any other course the battle takes ends with PS getting pasted by SS though

 

[KidGamer65]

If Hashirama starts in Sage Mode, he pretty much obliterates Sasuke. His PS goes back to being far far far weaker than Mokujin, and his Rinnegan techniques are going to be Nagato level, so they pose no real threat to Base Hashirama and SM Hashirama just laughs at them. Only way Sasuke wins is if he uses Ameno to blitz and kill Base Hashirama from the start. Otherwise Hashirama mid diff.

 

[Omar19992010]

Rinnegan Sasuke without Rikudō Chakra is a weaker Edo Madara who Edo Hashirama stalemated with.

 

[Ambivalence]

Which Rinnegan Sasuke is this? I find it hard to believe that Adult EMS Sasuke's PS would be at the same level as Teen Sasuke's, which is far weaker than Mokujin. If we assume it actually stayed at the same level (which is highly unlikely), then Hashirama mops the floor with Sasuke.

If we assume it progressed to Madara's level, then this is pretty much EMS Madara + Nagato vs SM Hashirama, and the latter takes it with moderate difficulty.

So yeah, Hashirama's not losing this.

 

[Beans2]

Intel + starting distance?

-Manga intel
-Starting distance just outside Ameno's range

 

[Kagustuchi]

-Manga intel
-Starting distance just outside Ameno's range

Might still be to close. He could rush and use Amaterasu like against Juubito and then Ameno, and with a distraction Hashirama's definately not reacting.

 

[DHOH]

Adult Sasuke is much stronger than Teen EMS Sasuke. With that being said SM Hashirama wins by out lasting Sasuke.. Moukuton is the perfect counter to Amaterasu and Rinnengan jutsu.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Teenage rinnegan Sasuke or Adult Sasuke? Sasuke was going to surpass Ems Madara even if he never got the power up, so Adult rinnegan Sasuke with no rikudo chakra is probably a little stronger than alive double rinnegan Madara without Hashi's sage mode. And I think that Sasuke can beat Hashirama, as teenagers Naruto and Sasuke weren't equipped to handle these grown men.

 

[KidGamer65]

Btw, if this is Adult Sasuke then he wins regardless of him being able to blitz Hashirama w/ Ameno or not.

Teenage rinnegan Sasuke or Adult Sasuke? Sasuke was going to surpass Ems Madara even if he never got the power up, so Adult rinnegan Sasuke with no rikudo chakra is probably a little stronger than alive double rinnegan Madara without Hashi's sage mode. And I think that Sasuke can beat Hashirama, as teenagers Naruto and Sasuke weren't equipped to handle these grown men.

Madara has Rikudo's power, Sasuke wouldn't. Absolutely no way for Sasuke to be superior or even on par.

 

[TheSages456]

not really sure how you restricted sasuke when the rinnegan itself is six paths power. what you restricted from sasuke(this speculated half of hagoromos chakra), doesnt exist. you left sasuke exactly the same and restricted hashirama of his full power.

sasukes movement and sword lunges were perceived and stopped by shinobi such as shin, so hashirama reacts and parries him easily.

the only way sasuke can use amenotejikara to flank hashirama is if there is something behind hashirama for sasuke to swap with. this is something people like to conveniently ignore.


even assuming that sasuke gets behind hashirama, hashirama being capable of perceiving his movements as explained above, readies his sealess version of mokubinshin behind him to intercept any move that sasuke uses behind him.

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moving onto PS, sasukes PS hasnt shown any destructive power(bar PS chidori) over madaras and given that hashirama can react to his sword swings just like shin did, PS isnt touching the mokujin with its blade anyway.
PS chidori would probably be able to give sasuke the edge on the mokujin assuming it hit, but the mokujin may be able to grab its arm like it did to madaras PS here.

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either its a stalemate(more likely), or sasuke edges out the win due to the bit of versatility that his PS has shown over madaras.

 

[Apêx1]

Might still be to close. He could rush and use Amaterasu like against Juubito and then Ameno, and with a distraction Hashirama's definately not reacting.

Agreed, and if it's just outside of Ameno's range then Sasuke only needs to use Ameno twice in immediate succession like he did vs Madara, with the second Ameno being teleporting Hashirama to his Chidori like when he and Naruto sealed the limbo.

 

[Unorthodox]

Think I'm going high diff for Hashirama.

If Hashirama starts in Sage Mode, he pretty much obliterates Sasuke.

Hashirama mops the floor with Sasuke.

Please tell me a counter to Rinnegan Genjutsu something that's always overlooked

Sasuke wins regarless if he's a teenager or not (Genjutsu restricted)

Flying PS using rinnegan techs plus ameno is to much even for Hashirama add he can use ration on his blades and attacks. Multiply Chibaku tensei's while using Hashirama as the core its pretty much game.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Agreed, and if it's just outside of Ameno's range then Sasuke only needs to use Ameno twice in immediate succession like he did vs Madara, with the second Ameno being teleporting Hashirama to his Chidori like when he and Naruto sealed the limbo.

He used it twice in succession?

Either way my line of thinking was that with a distraction Ameno was fast enough that RBSM Naruto had trouble blocking. Scaling down that puts this Sasuke's Ameno at giving BM Naruto trouble blocking (even more so probably since BM sensing isn't as good as SM sensing).

If he can catch him with an Amaterasu --> Ameno --> Chidori variant chain it should be game. Considering he can do what he did to Itachi's Bunshin back in the Hebi days.

 

[Apêx1]

He used it twice in succession?

Either way my line of thinking was that with a distraction Ameno was fast enough that RBSM Naruto had trouble blocking. Scaling down that puts this Sasuke's Ameno at giving BM Naruto trouble blocking (even more so probably since BM sensing isn't as good as SM sensing).

If he can catch him with an Amaterasu --> Ameno --> Chidori variant chain it should be game. Considering he can do what he did to Itachi's Bunshin back in the Hebi days.

Teleported the sword into Madara and then teleported Madara to the other side on the floor behind Naruto

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. Possibly even 3 times assuming he teleported Madara into the sword, but I'm not sure.

And agreed with your strategy, it's possible.

 

[Ambivalence]

Please tell me a counter to Rinnegan Genjutsu something that's always overlooked

I thought we were beyond giving Adult Sasuke feats he's displayed with Rikudou chakra only since the BSM Minato vs Adult Sasuke threads...

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Please tell me a counter to Rinnegan Genjutsu something that's always overlooked

Sasuke wins regarless if he's a teenager or not (Genjutsu restricted)

Hashirama doesn't need to look at Sasuke's eyes directly for the whole fight. Hashirama has SM if Sasuke starts to get too close. If genjutsu worked Madara would of used it on Hashirama.