Hagoromo said he left it up both to Sasuke and Naruto but he lied.

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He basically gave Sasuke power so Indra wouldn't get eternally butthurt again and left everything to Naruto.






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I don't get how Indra didn't realize his brother and his reincarnation got the bigger responsibility.

- Look after the Bijuu and be their meeting place
- Stop Sasuke/Indra from his stupid ass revolution plot
- Break the Indra/Ashura cycle
- Be the leader of the new world



He knew after Kurama was converted that Naruto's honeyed words would make Sasuke flip like a crabby patty.

 
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Hagoromo is a dumb ass. He said no one person should have all that chakra, but yet allow Naruto to have all that chakra and be the meeting place for more chakra(bijuus).

The whole shit could've been avoided If he had a heart to heart conversation with Indra before his death. Dude is a shitty father period.

Plus, no matter how you look at it, the world still desire Indra's way. Hagoromo even admitted it. Even Naruto proving that Indra's way is the right way. Only the strongest will rule over other.
 

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Hagoromo is a dumb ass. He said no one person should have all that chakra, but yet allow Naruto to have all that chakra and be the meeting place for more chakra(bijuus).

The whole shit could've been avoided If he had a heart to heart conversation with Indra before his death. Dude is a shitty father period.

Plus, no matter how you look at it, the world still desire Indra's way. Hagoromo even admitted it. Even Naruto proving that Indra's way is the right way. Only the strongest will rule over other.
Yep, Hagoromo is a sneaky son of a *****.

But he corrected himself, he said that the world desired Kaguya's way the most. Which is kind of hilarious. I personally wouldn't want that dreamworld unless I didn't know I was in it.

1. Kaguya's plan
2. Indra's plan
3. Ashura's plan
 

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Hagoromo is a dumb ass. He said no one person should have all that chakra, but yet allow Naruto to have all that chakra and be the meeting place for more chakra(bijuus).

The whole shit could've been avoided If he had a heart to heart conversation with Indra before his death. Dude is a shitty father period.

Plus, no matter how you look at it, the world still desire Indra's way. Hagoromo even admitted it. Even Naruto proving that Indra's way is the right way. Only the strongest will rule over other.
Though he also gave Sasuke the power to rival Naruto. Furthermore, he didn't make Naruto the spot where all bijuus can talk, the bijuus themselves chose Naruto to be that person.


@Bold, making an assumption that he didn't, is seriously dumb.

How many times were Madara/Sasuke given speeches on doing the right thing, and still chose to do their dumb things? So knowing how these 2 were stubborn as hell, why would you think Indra wasn't?

And Naruto proved that only through collaboration and working with others can true peace be achieved. What Naruto did acknowledge was that you need to be strong to make a change, however, that doesn't translate into peace through power.
 

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Though he also gave Sasuke the power to rival Naruto.


@Bold, making an assumption that he didn't, is seriously dumb.

How many times were Madara/Sasuke given speeches on doing the right thing, and still chose to do their dumb things? So knowing how these 2 were stubborn as hell, why would you think Indra wasn't?

And Naruto proved that only through collaboration and working with others can true peace be achieved. What Naruto did acknowledge was that you need to be strong to make a chance, however, that doesn't translate into peace through power.
Wrong. Madara was willing to work with hashi. But It was pretty damn clear that people do not want to work with Madara. When Madara predicated how tobirama gonna treat the uchiha clan, he warned the clan to leave, but nobody didn't listen to him. Then after Madara's death and tobirama as 2nd hoakge, what happen? Tobirama kept the Uchiha clan out of important affairs. Then even went the extra mile to kill any Uchihas that didn't want to put up with his treatment.

You gotta look at it from both point of view... Hashirama and Naruto was able to do all these things because they had the godly chakra to do so.

Where Madara, Sasuke, tobirama, Danzo, 3rd hokage, and "kid" Itachi have to use extreme methods to get result. This is why i got high respect for tobirama. Dude knows his limitation so he created the edo jutsu, trapped the uchiha clan, kill anybody that seem funny to him. He wasn't taking any chances like his brother or the 3rd hokage.

The more you think about it, you realize that Kabuto and Neji was right. People are destined for greatness and the people who're born weak, have to steal from other or use extreme methods to get result.

Let's not forget what King Madara said. You got shinobi on one hand desire peace, but yet wage wars against other in fear of being stepped on by the strong people.

If naruto wasn't the reincarnation of ashura, he would just be dead or make F-ed up decisions like the 3rd hokage. If you look closer, Naruto and 3rd hokage are alike. The only difference is that the 3rd hokage lack the godly chakra to carry out his ideas, so he let Danzo operate in the shadow to ensure certain victories.

Again, If naruto wasn't the reincarnation of ashura, he would've been dead like yahiko or ended up like Obito.
 
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Hagoromo is a dumb ass. He said no one person should have all that chakra, but yet allow Naruto to have all that chakra and be the meeting place for more chakra(bijuus).

The whole shit could've been avoided If he had a heart to heart conversation with Indra before his death. Dude is a shitty father period.

Plus, no matter how you look at it, the world still desire Indra's way. Hagoromo even admitted it. Even Naruto proving that Indra's way is the right way. Only the strongest will rule over other.
Yea naruto is the strongest. And it wasn't indras way it was bz and I'm pretty sure hago talked to indra he was teacher of peace lol indra and the uchihas are just unstable emotional creatures like women .
 

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Wrong. Madara was willing to work with hashi. But It was pretty damn clear that people do not want to work with Madara. When Madara predicated how tobirama gonna treat the uchiha clan, he warned the clan to leave, but nobody didn't listen to him. Then after Madara's death and tobirama as 2nd hoakge, what happen? Tobirama kept the Uchiha clan out of important affairs. Then even went the extra mile to kill any Uchihas that didn't want to put up with his treatment.

You gotta look at it from both point of view... Hashirama and Naruto was able to do all these things because they had the godly chakra to do so.

Where Madara, Sasuke, tobirama, Danzo, 3rd hokage, and "kid" Itachi have to use extreme methods to get result. This is why i got high respect for tobirama. Dude knows his limitation so he created the edo jutsu, trapped the uchiha clan, kill anybody that seem funny to him. He wasn't taking any chances like his brother or the 3rd hokage.

The more you think about it, you realize that Kabuto and Neji was right. People are destined for greatness and the people who're born weak, have to steal from other or use extreme methods to get result.

Let's not forget what King Madara said. You got shinobi on one hand desire peace, but yet wage wars against other in fear.

If naruto wasn't the reincarnation of ashura, he would just be dead or make F-ed up decisions like the 3rd hokage. If you look closer, Naruto and 3rd hokage are alike. The only difference is that the 3rd hokage lack the godly chakra to carry out his ideas, so he let Danzo operate in the shadow to ensure certain victories.

Again, If naruto wasn't the reincarnation of ashura, he would've been dead like yahiko or ended up like Obito.
If madara wasn't reincarnated from indra then what? Same for sasuke . And naruto still has the prophecy . The prophecy didn't state ashuras reincarnation would save the world it was blue eyed boy .
 

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If madara wasn't reincarnated from indra then what? Same for sasuke . And naruto still has the prophecy . The prophecy didn't state ashuras reincarnation would save the world it was blue eyed boy .
If Madara wasn't reincarnated from Indra, The Ashura clans would be ruling the world til somebody in the clan get bored and start killing each other.

Once Naruto and Sasuke leave the world, Peace is not gonna last long and if it do, it gonna last due to somebody in the hidden leaf using extreme methods to ensure victory for the village.

Again, Hashi and Naruto was able to do all these kindness things because they had the godly chakra to back it up. 3rd hokages wanted to do all that lovely things, but lack the chakra to back it up so he have to resort to Danzo ensuring victory in the shadow or have itachi kill the clan or have Neji's father give up his life to avoid a war with the lightning nation. If 3rd hokage had godly chakra like Hashi and Naruto, none of those extreme methods would've been use.
 

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If Madara wasn't reincarnated from Indra, The Ashura clans would be ruling the world til somebody in the clan get bored and start killing each other.

Once Naruto and Sasuke leave the world, Peace is not gonna last long and if it do, it gonna last due to somebody in the hidden leaf using extreme methods to ensure victory for the village.

Again, Hashi and Naruto was able to do all these kindness things because they had the godly chakra to back it up. 3rd hokages wanted to do all that lovely things, but lack the chakra to back it up so he have to resort to Danzo ensuring victory in the shadow or have itachi kill the clan or have Neji's father give up his life to avoid a war with the lightning nation. If 3rd hokage had godly chakra like Hashi and Naruto, none of those extreme methods would've been use.
Hashi changed nothing really. And hiruzens chakra had nothing to do with it he didn't know how to change people and deal with hatred nothing to do with Chakra . Just a matter of touching people's hearts. Even outside ones village .
 

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Hashi changed nothing really. And hiruzens chakra had nothing to do with it he didn't know how to change people and deal with hatred nothing to do with Chakra . Just a matter of touching people's hearts. Even outside ones village .
Hashi changed a lot of shit.

hiruzen touched a lot of hearts. He just lack the strength to smack the people with it like Naruto be doing. You can't deny that.
 

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Wrong. Madara was willing to work with hashi. But It was pretty damn clear that people do not want to work with Madara. When Madara predicated how tobirama gonna treat the uchiha clan, he warned the clan to leave, but nobody didn't listen to him. Then after Madara's death and tobirama as 2nd hoakge, what happen? Tobirama kept the Uchiha clan out of important affairs. Then even went the extra mile to kill any Uchihas that didn't want to put up with his treatment.
Did he expect people to blindly trust him, simply because he was friends with Hashirama? The guy didn't even bother working to gain any form of trust.

Tobirama kept the uchiha clan out of important affairs? like what? Making them the police of the village aka the people who enforce the law in the village..

And no clue where you got the fan-fiction of "kill any uchiha that didn't want to put up with his treatment"..

But hopefully you know Tobirama did what he did, due to Madara turning Rogue. And as he implied Uchiha weren't the only one who he was cautious of.

You gotta look at it from both point of view... Hashirama and Naruto was able to do all these things because they had the godly chakra to do so.
Again, as I said they acknowledged that being strong is the only way to have a chance at making change. Thats why Hashirama made the Senju clan into the strongest clan during his time (something that it wasn't before), by uniting all the clans who had Senju blood under him. He asked the uchiha of treaties. He held the Gokage conference. He signed treaties with the Sarutobi clan and other clans.

^^^^^ Him being able to do those things due to his godly chakra, doesn't mean he did what Indra did. Or proved what Indra wanted. What Indra/Madara/Sasuke wanted was everything under their control.

Where Madara, Sasuke, tobirama, Danzo, 3rd hokage, and "kid" Itachi have to use extreme methods to get result. This is why i got high respect for tobirama. Dude knows his limitation so he created the edo jutsu, trapped the uchiha clan, kill anybody that seem funny to him. He wasn't taking any chances like his brother or the 3rd hokage.
Tobirama didn't kill anyone. In fact, Tobirama knew that Uchiha were a "loyal" breed, hence why you can only make those who are the most loyal, into the police. You can't have people you don't trust as the police. However, just because they were the most loyal doesn't mean he wasn't cautious, as he knew how the sharingan works.

Uchiha were only killed, due to Hiruzen's failure as a leader and due to Danzo + Obito (an uchiha)'s deal.

The more you think about it, you realize that Kabuto and Neji was right. People are destined for greatness and the people who're born weak, have to steal from other or use extreme methods to get result.
Only those who don't give up can attain greatness. If Naruto had given up , his life would've ended in arc 1, and his destiny would've gone to hell. Destiny must be fulfilled, it doesn't automatically happen.

Let's not forget what King Madara said. You got shinobi on one hand desire peace, but yet wage wars against other in fear of being stepped on by the strong people.
Something Naruto and Hashirama got rid of , when they ran things. Even though Madara said that, he didn't have the brain to realize he was doing that very thing.
If naruto wasn't the reincarnation of ashura, he would just be dead or make F-ed up decisions like the 3rd hokage. If you look closer, Naruto and 3rd hokage are alike. The only difference is that the 3rd hokage lack the godly chakra to carry out his ideas, so he let Danzo operate in the shadow to ensure certain victories.
No, Naruto and Hashirama are alike. Hence why Naruto never forgave Nagato, he told Obito to change, however, he also told Obito to come to the village and accept his punishment.

Difference between Hiruzen and Hashirama/Naruto is that , unlike Hiruzen.. Naruto/Hashirama would've gotten rid of Danzo as soon as they found out the shit he was doing. And the killing of Uchiha clan wouldn't have happened.. in fact it would've never reached that point.

Hiruzen let Danzo operate in the shadow for a certain period of time, after the uchiha massacre, he put him out of commission.

Again, If naruto wasn't the reincarnation of ashura, he would've been dead like yahiko or ended up like Obito.
Because all reincarnations of Ashura changed the world and defeated the juubi and saved the world?


Naruti isn't the reincarnation of Ashura.. hes a transmigrant. Meaning Ashura chose Naruto , just like he chose Hashirama. However, neither Hashirama or Naruto were affected by Ashura's chakra.



Your claim: Even Naruto proving that Indra's way is the right way.


My response: Naruto did gain power, and even when he wasn't the strongest he was uniting people , slowly and slowly. When he became the strongest, he didn't chose to be like Indra/Sasuke/Madara, he did what his predecessor's did.. he worked on uniting people.
 
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Did he expect people to blindly trust him, simply because he was friends with Hashirama? The guy didn't even bother working to gain any form of trust.

Tobirama kept the uchiha clan out of important affairs? like what? Making them the police of the village aka the people who enforce the law in the village..

And no clue where you got the fan-fiction of "kill any uchiha that didn't want to put up with his treatment"..

But hopefully you know Tobirama did what he did, due to Madara turning Rogue. And as he implied Uchiha weren't the only one who he was cautious of.


Again, as I said they acknowledged that being strong is the only way to have a chance at making change. Thats why Hashirama made the Senju clan into the strongest clan during his time (something that it wasn't before), by uniting all the clans who had Senju blood under him. He asked the uchiha of treaties. He held the Gokage conference. He signed treaties with the Sarutobi clan and other clans.

^^^^^ Him being able to do those things due to his godly chakra, doesn't mean he did what Indra did. Or proved what Indra wanted. What Indra/Madara/Sasuke wanted was everything under their control.


Tobirama didn't kill anyone. In fact, Tobirama knew that Uchiha were a "loyal" breed, hence why you can only make those who are the most loyal, into the police. You can't have people you don't trust as the police. However, just because they were the most loyal doesn't mean he wasn't cautious, as he knew how the sharingan works.

Uchiha were only killed, due to Hiruzen's failure as a leader and due to Danzo + Obito (an uchiha)'s deal.


Only those who don't give up can attain greatness. If Naruto had given up , his life would've ended in arc 1, and his destiny would've gone to hell. Destiny must be fulfilled, it doesn't automatically happen.


Something Naruto and Hashirama got rid of , when they ran things. Even though Madara said that, he didn't have the brain to realize he was doing that very thing.

No, Naruto and Hashirama are alike. Hence why Naruto never forgave Nagato, he told Obito to change, however, he also told Obito to come to the village and accept his punishment.

Difference between Hiruzen and Hashirama/Naruto is that , unlike Hiruzen.. Naruto/Hashirama would've gotten rid of Danzo as soon as they found out the shit he was doing. And the killing of Uchiha clan wouldn't have happened.. in fact it would've never reached that point.

Hiruzen let Danzo operate in the shadow for a certain period of time, after the uchiha massacre, he put him out of commission.


Because all reincarnations of Ashura changed the world and defeated the juubi and saved the world?


Naruti isn't the reincarnation of Ashura.. hes a transmigrant. Meaning Ashura chose Naruto , just like he chose Hashirama. However, neither Hashirama or Naruto were affected by Ashura's chakra.
2nd hokage kept the uchiha clan out of foreign affairs. 2nd hokage killed "Setsuna Uchiha" Setsuna Uchiha saw what 2nd hokage was doing it and called him out on it. 2nd hokage killed him to shut him up.

Orc. already told you that it was the 2nd hokage's fault that Uchiha clan turned out that way. Do not deny the manga evidence.

2nd hokage's suspicions of the Uchiha was too damn much. Stop denying it.

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Your claim: Even Naruto proving that Indra's way is the right way.


My response: Naruto did gain power, and even when he wasn't the strongest he was uniting people , slowly and slowly. When he became the strongest, he didn't chose to be like Indra/Sasuke/Madara, he did what his predecessor's did.. he worked on uniting people.
United who? He only united his own village and was good friends with Gaara. Everybody else fall in line during the war after they was being saved by naruto hundred time. Gone some where with that BS. Plus Naruto wanted to do eveything all by himself til Itachi TALK-NO-JUTSU-ED him.
 
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Hagoromo is a dumb ass. He said no one person should have all that chakra, but yet allow Naruto to have all that chakra and be the meeting place for more chakra(bijuus).

The whole shit could've been avoided If he had a heart to heart conversation with Indra before his death. Dude is a shitty father period.

Plus, no matter how you look at it, the world still desire Indra's way. Hagoromo even admitted it. Even Naruto proving that Indra's way is the right way. Only the strongest will rule over other.
lmao Hagoromo waited like 9999999 battles later to finish it
 

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2nd hokage kept the uchiha clan out of foreign affairs. 2nd hokage killed "Setsuna Uchiha" Setsuna Uchiha saw what 2nd hokage was doing it and called him out on it. 2nd hokage killed him to shut him up.

Orc. already told you that it was the 2nd hokage's fault that Uchiha clan turned out that way. Do not deny the manga evidence.
Reread on what happened with Setsuna Uchiha. He was trying to overthrow the Konoha government which was at that point ran by Tobirama. Did Tobirama go and kill the entire clan? no he only took care of Setsuna, as he was about to cause a civil war during a period where the village was going through great progression and systems were being implemented by Tobirama.

And did you forget that Tobirama corrected Oro?

What Setsuna Uchiha did, was completely different from what the Uchiha clan was going to do. Do you know why? Because Tobirama didn't put any blame on the Uchiha, he was simply cautious of them. He didn't treat them like secondary citizens. However, under Hiruzen's reign, due to Danzo plotting against the uchiha (since they would be in his way to become the hokage, since Uchiha liked Hiruzen very much), everything ****ed up. And they were starting to be treated bad. And thats when they said enough is enough. So again, it all happened because Hiruzen was a weak leader, not because he was weaker than others (considering he was the strongest guy alive during his Hokage reigns).


He was simply AGAIN, keeping an eye on them in case another Madara pops up. He wasn't going to exterminate them.

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Hashirama and Naruto were 2 special transmigrants. That were above simply being Ashura's transmigrants. Hell Kishimoto could've written them as Hagoromo's reincarnations or transmigrants.. and it still would've worked. As Naruto and Hashirama did things that Ashura didn't, and things that could only be matched by what Hagoromo did for the world (not talking about defeating the juubi , but the actual system).
 
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Are you saying Naruto got all Rikudou powers only for him? So, basically One Armed Not Rikudou Sasuke = Full Rikudou Naruto?

I'm okay with that. :yeah:
 
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