Kisame + Tsunade V.S Killer B + Danzo

[Apêx1]

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Read the damn Manga. :lol

OT: Team 1 obviously wins, not sure what over half of these replies are even talking about. Either you guys didn't read the restrictions, or you know something I don't.

-B is 100% fodder in this fight due to Kisame. Lmfao. Kisame already solo'd B w/o Bijuu Mode in canon without the intent to kill AND it wasn't high difficulty. So how does he win with the added help of Danzo, who's main firepower comes from Ninjutsu that Kisame easily absorbs and is restricted of Baku? And to the clown I quoted, how the actual f*ck does he win by himself?

-Izanagi spawn surprise strike is useless since Kisame can sense chakra in fused form.

-Stabbing is useless since Kisame can just:

A. Heal.
B. Block with bone like appendages.

The Water Dome restriction is irrelevant when Kisame can still make a deep ass lake with only 30% of his chakra. Bakusui Shoha, and Danzo and B can't fly, so they have to fight on top of the water.

-Kisame sucks B dry.
-Danzo's Izanagi is outlasted and he's killed.

Kisame solos, like FT said. Tsunade isn't even useless like people are trying to say. Only way she's useless is if she tries to engage Danzo or Killer B head on, but if she sticks to the back and focuses on using Byakugo to supersize Bakusui Shoha and the rest of Kisame's Suiton Jutsu (like 1000 sharks) then she can obviously help out.

Izanagi spawn>Touch with seal should work on Kisame/Tsunade imo. That's probably the biggest factor here, plus the Genjutsu which he can use via 3T followed by Raiton pencil puncturing his brain.

It's either easily evaded or simply blown away out of the battlefield with the usage of Hachibi's Whirlwind.

BM is restricted..

 

[NarutoX28]

^ Edited post before you even replied.

 

[LuckyMan]

Lmfao. Already did. All you need to do is address it.

You factored Tsunade into your premise, that's not Kisame soloing.

 

[KingHashirama]

Kisame and Tsunade (no Katsuyu included), take this.

Tsunade can potentially Rival Killer B in Bijuu mode, just with her physicality, so not a big difference there.

While Danzo can pretty much be handled by either Tsunade or Kisame. And once they do figure out about the eyes, Tsunade's first priority would be to rip off that arm (shouldn't be that hard with Kisame's help), who can stall Killer B with the Water dome.

Once the arm is gone, Danzo is a walking fodder for Kisame's shark.. And then the only one left is killer B..


Tsunade can simply give Kisame a chakra boost and enhance the size of that water dome, making it nearly impossible for Killer B to escape it.


With restrictions applies: Kisame &Tsunade can pretty much breeze through this.

 

[Apêx1]

Kisame and Tsunade (no Katsuyu included), take this.

Tsunade can potentially Rival Killer B in Bijuu mode, just with her physicality, so not a big difference there.

While Danzo can pretty much be handled by either Tsunade or Kisame. And once they do figure out about the eyes, Tsunade's first priority would be to rip off that arm (shouldn't be that hard with Kisame's help), who can stall Killer B with the Water dome.

Once the arm is gone, Danzo is a walking fodder for Kisame's shark.. And then the only one left is killer B..


Tsunade can simply give Kisame a chakra boost and enhance the size of that water dome, making it nearly impossible for Killer B to escape it.

Ripping off his arm wouldn't do shit lmfao

 

[KingHashirama]

Ripping off his arm wouldn't do shit lmfao

Can he regenerate? no

Ripping off his arm from his actual flesh, would disconnect all of his connection with the sharingans. (though Tsunade can do this without ripping off that arm also).

She could just hit Danzo and Killer B with Body Pathway Derangement, and then make it an easy game from there.. And seeing that none of them are medical ninjas, the time they take to figure things out would be initially inferior to that of Kabuto's. Meaning enough time to do heavy damage to both.

 

[ToshiZO]

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Read the damn Manga. :lol

OT: Team 1 obviously wins, not sure what over half of these replies are even talking about. Either you guys didn't read the restrictions, or you know something I don't.

-B is 100% fodder in this fight due to Kisame. Lmfao. Kisame already solo'd B w/o Bijuu Mode in canon without the intent to kill AND it wasn't high difficulty. So how does he win with the added help of Danzo, who's main firepower comes from Ninjutsu that Kisame easily absorbs and is restricted of Baku? And to the clown I quoted, how the actual f*ck does he win by himself?

-Izanagi spawn surprise strike is useless since Kisame can sense chakra in fused form.

-Stabbing is useless since Kisame can just:

A. Heal.
B. Block with bone like appendages.

The Water Dome restriction is irrelevant when Kisame can still make a deep ass lake with only 30% of his chakra. Bakusui Shoha, and Danzo and B can't fly, so they have to fight on top of the water.

-Kisame sucks B dry.
-Danzo's Izanagi is outlasted and he's killed.

Kisame solos, like FT said. Tsunade isn't even useless like people are trying to say. Only way she's useless is if she tries to engage Danzo or Killer B head on, but if she sticks to the back and focuses on using Byakugo to supersize Bakusui Shoha and the rest of Kisame's Suiton Jutsu (like 1000 sharks) then she can obviously help out.

Lmao you make it seem like its gonna be a gauntlet. Good luck doing these things simultaneously...in canon he was focused on Killer Bee alone and used his buddy as a hostage not to mention saying Kisame doesn't have the intent to kill isnt saying much at all since his fighting style revolves around capturing anyways especially with the GSB restriction.

And I love how genjutsu is completely ignored as if its not gonna be a factor simply because of sensing when there are two Kage level shinobi you're fighting and even a single misstep can lead to death.

 

[KidGamer65]

Izanagi spawn>Touch with seal should work on Kisame/Tsunade imo. That's probably the biggest factor here, plus the Genjutsu which he can use via 3T followed by Raiton pencil puncturing his brain.



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Izanagi spawn, then Kisame senses him and reacts and kills him again. Not sure when Danzo is going to get the opportunity to use Genjutsu on Kisame when he'll be attacking these two from underwater, and they won't be unless they are dumb enough to dive in there and try to fight him...cause then he'd just maul Danzo from an angle where eye contact is impossible.

You factored Tsunade into your premise, that's not Kisame soloing.

I said Kisame solos, explained why, and then put a separate explanation for how Tsunade can help.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao you make it seem like its gonna be a gauntlet. Good luck doing these things simultaneously...in canon he was focused on Killer Bee alone and used his buddy as a hostage not to mention saying Kisame doesn't have the intent to kill isnt saying much at all since his fighting style revolves around capturing anyways especially with the GSB restriction.

And I love how genjutsu is completely ignored as if its not gonna be a factor simply because of sensing when there are two Kage level shinobi you're fighting and even a single misstep can lead to death.

Wat? Doing what simultaneously? Killing these two? Using his jutsu? You are going to have to be specific here. He can pick them off one by one as there is literally no way they can defend each other nor can they overpower and defeat Kisame with their moveset.

Lack of intent to kill is why B is still alive to this day. If Kisame wanted him dead, he would've killed him in Water Dome instead of canceling it when he passed out. That's the only reason Killer B survived. Literally. His fighting style doesn't revolve around capturing, his moveset is perfect for captures, but it's even easier to kill, especially when it comes to B, who is defenseless and powerless once all his Bijuu Chakra (and his base chakra) has been sucked out.

No, Genjutsu is irrelevant because they'll be on the surface of the lake while Kisame attacks them from underwater. Kisame can attack their backs and he moves faster than B can move underwater, and B can maneuver pretty well underwater as the Manga has shown. Either Danzo dives down into the lake and tries to make eye contact only to get killed from another angle, or

Lol if you guys are going to mention Genjutsu then you are going to have to actually explain how it happens in this scenario.

 

[ToshiZO]

Wat? Doing what simultaneously? Killing these two? Using his jutsu? You are going to have to be specific here. He can pick them off one by one as there is literally no way they can defend each other nor can they overpower and defeat Kisame with their moveset.

Lack of intent to kill is why B is still alive to this day. If Kisame wanted him dead, he would've killed him in Water Dome instead of canceling it when he passed out. That's the only reason Killer B survived. Literally. His fighting style doesn't revolve around capturing, his moveset is perfect for captures, but it's even easier to kill, especially when it comes to B, who is defenseless and powerless once all his Bijuu Chakra (and his base chakra) has been sucked out.

No, Genjutsu is irrelevant because they'll be on the surface of the lake while Kisame attacks them from underwater. Kisame can attack their backs and he moves faster than B can move underwater, and B can maneuver pretty well underwater as the Manga has shown. Either Danzo dives down into the lake and tries to make eye contact only to get killed from another angle, or

Lol if you guys are going to mention Genjutsu then you are going to have to actually explain how it happens in this scenario.

Just fighting in general, how would he focus on absorbing ninjutsu from one while the other is engaging in CQC, using two separate battles and counters is not the same as having two separate entities coming at you at the same time.

Second part is irrelevant like I said, I could care less if he Killer Bee survived or not that detail is redundant, he lost/would lose the fight either way. Kisame's skillset is literally built to capture. Killing is always easier obviously but if it were to matter the least for one character that one would be Kisame as its not a huge handicap for him to begin with.

Genjutsu would be used when Kisame tries to attack, the moment Kisame tries to engage in any sort of CQC, Izanagi (or basic genjutsu) is waiting for him at the top. If he wants to resort to spamming attacks underwater this isn't Water Dome, I'm pretty sure Danzo and KB will try and leave the proximity possibly luring Kisame closer to them, and then gets hit with genjutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Just fighting in general, how would he focus on absorbing ninjutsu from one while the other is engaging in CQC, using two separate battles and counters is not the same as having two separate entities coming at you at the same time.

Second part is irrelevant like I said, I could care less if he Killer Bee survived or not that detail is redundant, he lost/would lose the fight either way. Kisame's skillset is literally built to capture. Killing is always easier obviously but if it were to matter the least for one character that one would be Kisame as its not a huge handicap for him to begin with.

Genjutsu would be used when Kisame tries to attack, the moment Kisame tries to engage in any sort of CQC, Izanagi (or basic genjutsu) is waiting for him at the top. If he wants to resort to spamming attacks underwater this isn't Water Dome, I'm pretty sure Danzo and KB will try and leave the proximity possibly luring Kisame closer to them, and then gets hit with genjutsu.

When Kisame fuses with Samehada, anything that is chakra that touches his body is absorbed. So he doesn't need to worry about activating absorption or getting Samehada in the correct position. So if he's in CQC with...B let's say, and Danzo is firing Ninjutsu at him. Danzo is literally doing nothing since it's absorbed on contact, and we saw how Kisamehada vs. V2 Killer B went down in canon, so there's no need for me to tell you what happens there.

Matter the least=/=It being easier, so why in the world are you contesting what I said when you are practically here saying the same thing? Is it a huge handicap? No. But it is large enough to make a difference in his victory? Yes, Manga shows it.

Underlined won't work, and I've explained why. Can't land Genjutsu if he can't establish eye contact, and if Kisame doesn't make frontal attacks on Danzo, he can't make eye contact with Danzo. Not sure what Izanagi is supposed to do to him, but I've already addressed that too. And lol leave the proximity?

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That's the range and depth Bakusui Shoha covered, and that's Kisame with less than a third of his chakra. Besides, they'd have to be able to cross all this distance before Kisame, who moves faster than either of them once underwater, catches them. So we can scratch an escape strategy off the list.

 

[RedRobin]

1. Has Raiton blades (1 or 2 at a time I believe) capable of severing her limbs.
2. Has V2 Lariat, capable of literally turning her entire torso area to pink mush. She'd heal, eventually, from one. Though multiple lariats=her eventual death, since she'd be using up a lot of chakra to recover those wounds, and it doesn't help her that

-You'd have a point, if Danzo was a CQC fighter. But he's not. He's a close-mid range fighter. Whenever he gets hit, he simply respawns and attacks with Fuuton. If it's the small bullets, she gets cut. If it's the large wind blades, she gets her limbs cut off. Will he one shot her? No, but with Izanagi allowing him to reappear wherever, he eventually catches her.

Tsunade doesn't solo. I hope you aren't going to try and argue that.

Not if she uses her punch against that lariat and ends up knocking Bee back. Tsunade is stronger than Ay so she could possible push Bee back with

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Lariat wont stop her from moving, push her back but she gets right back up with Byakugo before damage even heals. Also everyone he has hit didnt have Tsunade's durability so she takes less damage.

If Bee wants to continue doing the lariats then Tsunade just waits for it and counters with a

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to the heart or with BPD mid lariat. How stupid do you think Tsunade is and how crappy do you finds her fighting ability to just sit there and take the same exact attack over and over again without counterattacking. Why does everyone think this will happen?

Kabuto and Oro are not CQC fighters but Tsunade pressured them into CQC. Same would happen against Danzo, Izanagi depletes his reserves like crazy. Tsunade with her super hearing can basically figure where the fuuton is coming from and uproot a large tree root like

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Its annoying seeing people say she cant hold her own against these people.

@Bold Obviously not.

 

[Apêx1]

Izanagi spawn, then Kisame senses him and reacts and kills him again. Not sure when Danzo is going to get the opportunity to use Genjutsu on Kisame when he'll be attacking these two from underwater, and they won't be unless they are dumb enough to dive in there and try to fight him...cause then he'd just maul Danzo from an angle where eye contact is impossible.

But he can't kill Danzo before Danzo merely touches him. Being able to sense him doesn't mean he'll be able to evade a simple touch, especially when Danzo can appear right behind him (even underwater) and strategise with Bee. Bee throws Raiton pencils/kunai's in the water in front/to the sides of Kisame to prevent Kisame from swimming away while Danzo touches him from behind. Won't affect Danzo since he can Izanagi again and again.

Although I agree that Genjutsu is useless here then. But I forgot to factor ink clones which can potentially seal Kisame if he overcommits to them w/out intel, or just serve as a defence for Bee by confusing Kisame. And I'm unsure of how Tsunade would be relevant if he's attacking from underwater, nor do I see how he can beat/absorb Bee (even in Base)/Danzo from underwater when he can't touch them without being hit first.

 

[ToshiZO]

When Kisame fuses with Samehada, anything that is chakra that touches his body is absorbed. So he doesn't need to worry about activating absorption or getting Samehada in the correct position. So if he's in CQC with...B let's say, and Danzo is firing Ninjutsu at him. Danzo is literally doing nothing since it's absorbed on contact, and we saw how Kisamehada vs. V2 Killer B went down in canon, so there's no need for me to tell you what happens there.

I doubt he'd fuse from the start and even if they'd let him fuse if they have intel on it, depending on the starting distance, they will make sure he won't have a chance.

But if he manages to fuse, then fair enough.

Matter the least=/=It being easier, so why in the world are you contesting what I said when you are practically here saying the same thing? Is it a huge handicap? No. But it is large enough to make a difference in his victory? Yes, Manga shows it.

Not gonna repeat what I said, so whatever.

Underlined won't work, and I've explained why. Can't land Genjutsu if he can't establish eye contact, and if Kisame doesn't make frontal attacks on Danzo, he can't make eye contact with Danzo. Not sure what Izanagi is supposed to do to him, but I've already addressed that too. And lol leave the proximity?

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That's the range and depth Bakusui Shoha covered, and that's Kisame with less than a third of his chakra. Besides, they'd have to be able to cross all this distance before Kisame, who moves faster than either of them once underwater, catches them. So we can scratch an escape strategy off the list.

Not necessarily escape strategy, more luring Kisame towards them IF he decides to spam ranged attacks rather then come up close. Remind me again what Kisame can do once fused, does he still have access to all his ranged attacks (shark summonings?). I can't picture a scenario where Kisame doesn't engage up close when fused, seems like that's what he prefers to do once fused. And once he does, Izanagi is there waiting for him, even a brief hesitation or pause will lead to his L. With Izanagi there are many possibilities, he can even set up a clone feint (goes for KB too) to go along with Izanagi. Either way KB isn't just gonna be watching even if he senses it, it will place him a couple steps behind.

Not if she uses her punch against that lariat and ends up knocking Bee back. Tsunade is stronger than Ay so she could possible push Bee back with

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Lariat wont stop her from moving, push her back but she gets right back up with Byakugo before damage even heals. Also everyone he has hit didnt have Tsunade's durability so she takes less damage.

Remind me again what Tsunade's durability is? I thought it was just like any other average shinobi...

 

[KidGamer65]

But he can't kill Danzo before Danzo merely touches him. Being able to sense him doesn't mean he'll be able to evade a simple touch, especially when Danzo can appear right behind him (even underwater) and strategise with Bee. Bee throws Raiton pencils/kunai's in the water in front/to the sides of Kisame to prevent Kisame from swimming away while Danzo touches him from behind. Won't affect Danzo since he can Izanagi again and again.

Although I agree that Genjutsu is useless here then. But I forgot to factor ink clones which can potentially seal Kisame if he overcommits to them w/out intel, or just serve as a defence for Bee by confusing Kisame. And I'm unsure of how Tsunade would be relevant if he's attacking from underwater, nor do I see how he can beat/absorb Bee (even in Base)/Danzo from underwater when he can't touch them without being hit first.

You say "simple touch" as if it being a touch changes the fact that he's not fast enough to blitz Kisame with his simple touch. His surprise factor is completely lost with Izanagi due to Kisame being able to sense chakra, and he's not fast enough to touch someone who can move faster than Killer B underwater before he evades. Not a chance and I know there's no way you can attempt to back that up, and if you attempt it, good luck proving that Danzo respawns behind Kisame underwater of all places and touches him before Kisame can evade when Kisame gets faster underwater and Danzo gets slower, and when Kisame can sense. We'll just say evades his attack and then retaliates. Stop trying to focus on the simplicity of a touch when that says nothing about it's speed and doesn't even support your argument as it isn't evidence.

And yes, Danzo and Izanagi again and again until his 10 minutes are up. Then he dies.


Ink Clones can be countered with his own Water clones, or they can be killed by 1000 sharks. So nah, they don't help here at all let alone lead them to victory. Let's just ignore Tsunade since Kisame is enough to solo, and you've yet to prove that Danzo can touch Kisame and land his seal. All you've done is basically say "He can't evade Danzo because it's a touch". :lol And whether or not B touches him is irrelevant since B literally can't put a moderate wound on his body let alone one bad enough to kill him.

I doubt he'd fuse from the start and even if they'd let him fuse if they have intel on it, depending on the starting distance, they will make sure he won't have a chance.

But if he manages to fuse, then fair enough.



Not gonna repeat what I said, so whatever.



Not necessarily escape strategy, more luring Kisame towards them IF he decides to spam ranged attacks rather then come up close. Remind me again what Kisame can do once fused, does he still have access to all his ranged attacks (shark summonings?). I can't picture a scenario where Kisame doesn't engage up close when fused, seems like that's what he prefers to do once fused. And once he does, Izanagi is there waiting for him, even a brief hesitation or pause will lead to his L. With Izanagi there are many possibilities, he can even set up a clone feint (goes for KB too) to go along with Izanagi. Either way KB isn't just gonna be watching even if he senses it, it will place him a couple steps behind.

He fought B in canon, so not fusing from the start wouldn't make sense since it'd end up with him getting a hole in his chest again. He knows that Kisamehada mode is what's needed to deal with Killer B.

Pretty sure Kisame can still use all his Ninjutsu while fused, but that doesn't matter since my premise has him dealing with them both in CQC. So yes, he comes up close, but he doesn't die like you think he does. Not sure why you keep saying "Izanagi waiting for him" when all it does is let Danzo respawn after Kisame has mutilated him. And how is a clone feint going to help them here? The issue is, they can't down Kisame due to all their powerful attacks being chakra based attacks. Attacks that Kisame would absorb.

 

[RedRobin]

Remind me again what Tsunade's durability is? I thought it was just like any other average shinobi...

Why do I even make threads.....lol

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Survived something only the 3rd could, something which should have torn her apart. Compared to Ay she just got minor cuts. Also to mention Tsunade has the body of an 80 year old so just imagine Hiruzen going through this to give you an idea of how tough she is.

 

[Haizaki]

Damn the only problem is the basic intel otherwise Kisame would solo this fight without a doubt. Though I can make an argument for him.

- B easily gets sucked...Not to mention with the likes of Danzo around, Kisame would mostly likes use clones.

- Danzo's Izanagi won't be of help here due to the fact that Kisame has Samehada behind him which could act independently. Hence if Danzo tries to pull a sneak attack he gets countered. In canon Samehada's spikes enabled Kisame get past V2 or V1. One of them but it doesn't matter since Danzo stands zero chance when compared to those in terms of durability. Not to mention clones can just cover up from behind but Samehada itself would be a huge problem considering the fact that it has the speed to react to B in his 7 tailed state. What would Danzo actually do once he gets behind? Wind attacks? They gets absorbed easily?

- Genjutsu? Useless as ever due to Samehada and due to clones being good enough distractions.

- 1000 Feeding Shark has a ridiculous scale, ridiculous to the extent that not even Asakujaku could completely take out all the sharks. What's their counter?

- Killer B gets absorbed over and over again...Leaving Kisame stronger and making him weaker. Not to mention Kisame can flood the place utilizing the water to his advantage in the sense that he'll have Sharks and some clones do the operation in water such as distracting/attacking them from beneath while he attacks/does the job on top of it.

 

[Apêx1]

You say "simple touch" as if it being a touch changes the fact that he's not fast enough to blitz Kisame with his simple touch. His surprise factor is completely lost with Izanagi due to Kisame being able to sense chakra, and he's not fast enough to touch someone who can move faster than Killer B underwater before he evades. Not a chance and I know there's no way you can attempt to back that up, and if you attempt it, good luck proving that Danzo respawns behind Kisame underwater of all places and touches him before Kisame can evade when Kisame gets faster underwater and Danzo gets slower, and when Kisame can sense. We'll just say evades his attack and then retaliates. Stop trying to focus on the simplicity of a touch when that says nothing about it's speed and doesn't even support your argument as it isn't evidence.

And yes, Danzo and Izanagi again and again until his 10 minutes are up. Then he dies.


Ink Clones can be countered with his own Water clones, or they can be killed by 1000 sharks. So nah, they don't help here at all let alone lead them to victory. Let's just ignore Tsunade since Kisame is enough to solo, and you've yet to prove that Danzo can touch Kisame and land his seal. All you've done is basically say "He can't evade Danzo because it's a touch". :lol And whether or not B touches him is irrelevant since B literally can't put a moderate wound on his body let alone one bad enough to kill him.



He fought B in canon, so not fusing from the start wouldn't make sense since it'd end up with him getting a hole in his chest again. He knows that Kisamehada mode is what's needed to deal with Killer B.

Pretty sure Kisame can still use all his Ninjutsu while fused, but that doesn't matter since my premise has him dealing with them both in CQC. So yes, he comes up close, but he doesn't die like you think he does. Not sure why you keep saying "Izanagi waiting for him" when all it does is let Danzo respawn after Kisame has mutilated him. And how is a clone feint going to help them here? The issue is, they can't down Kisame due to all their powerful attacks being chakra based attacks. Attacks that Kisame would absorb.

Doesn't Danzo choose where he re-spawns? If he doesn't then they obviously lose, but I was of the belief that he could.

 

[ToshiZO]

He fought B in canon, so not fusing from the start wouldn't make sense since it'd end up with him getting a hole in his chest again. He knows that Kisamehada mode is what's needed to deal with Killer B.

Pretty sure Kisame can still use all his Ninjutsu while fused, but that doesn't matter since my premise has him dealing with them both in CQC. So yes, he comes up close, but he doesn't die like you think he does. Not sure why you keep saying "Izanagi waiting for him" when all it does is let Danzo respawn after Kisame has mutilated him. And how is a clone feint going to help them here? The issue is, they can't down Kisame due to all their powerful attacks being chakra based attacks. Attacks that Kisame would absorb.

for now, fair enough.

Why do I even make threads.....lol

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Survived something only the 3rd could, something which should have torn her apart. Compared to Ay she just got minor cuts. Also to mention Tsunade has the body of an 80 year old so just imagine Hiruzen going through this to give you an idea of how tough she is.

I'm not sure I'm ready to classify this as durability. This is very high speed regeneration at work and endurance. Her body is constantly getting damaged and recovering, not to mention she is bleeding internally i wouldn't call that minor. Ay didn't have a healing factor and he still looks like he's in better shape.

 

[KidGamer65]

Doesn't Danzo choose where he re-spawns? If he doesn't then they obviously lose, but I was of the belief that he could.

For the most part, he can, but just like teleportation, if his movements are pathetically slow in comparison to his oppositions, it doesn't matter unless he can literally reappear right on him, which he can't.