Kakuzu vs Onoki

[Brother Numpsay]

I been seeing alot of people saying Onoki mid dif him. At the same time loses to Hiruzen.

What can Hirzuen do that makes him win, that Kakuzu couldn't?

 

[Lord Tywin]

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[Brother Numpsay]

Ill wait until you actually read the OP

 

[EZQ]

Ill wait until you actually read the OP

Are you insunuating that Kakuzu's attacks are on hiruzen's level?

 

[super yang]

I been seeing alot of people saying Onoki mid dif him. At the same time loses to Hiruzen.

What can Hirzuen do that makes him win, that Kakuzu couldn't?

-use enma

to pressure him in air

-make clones

to create pressure & nullify rock clones

- high level do'ton

for defenses & strategic stuffs

-summon rashoumon

Edo Hiruzen >>> old hiruzen <> onoki > kakuzu

 

[Beans2]

Hiruzen has an extendable Enma pole which could disrupt Jinton prep given the situation so it knocks the difficulty up a notch from mid to high.

Edo Hiruzen>Onoki>Kakuzu>Old Hiruzen.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Are you insunuating that Kakuzu's attacks are on hiruzen's level?

Anyone reading the manga would tell:

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Hiruzen has an extendable Enma pole which could disrupt Jinton prep given the situation so it knocks the difficulty up a notch from mid to high.

Edo Hiruzen>Onoki>Kakuzu>Old Hiruzen.

And Kakuzu has his hearts that can move the same distance as pole? So I dont see hows that an issue.

 

[LuckyMan]

Old Hiruzen > Edo Hiruzen > Onoki > Kakuzu

Hiruzen is God of his gen overall read manga Kabuto and Oro said Hiruzen stronger all 5 Kage in part 1 Gokage got stomped by Gurugugru Hiruzen saved their lives and he is old man come on now son prime Hiruzen negs.

 

[EZQ]

Anyone reading the manga would tell:

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And Kakuzu has his hearts that can move the same distance as pole? So I dont see hows that an issue.

Again, are you or are you not insinuating Kakuzu's jutsus are on this level:

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[Lord Tywin]

Ill wait until you actually read the OP

I did read the OP. Name one of kakuzu's attacks that can activate faster than Onoki's jinton(the one I showed) and then I'll take you seriously.

 

[Apêx1]

Different match-ups tbh. Hiruzen's clones and Enma being able to clone are way better methods of disrupting Jinton then the hearts prepping jutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not sure why I should facepalm, because you compared Hiruzen and Kakuzu's Ninjutsu in terms of scale while ignoring the rest of Hiruzen's arsenal, or because you think Kakuzu can beat Onoki...But as for the match up:

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Akatsuki wank is so last year. :lol

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Again, are you or are you not insinuating Kakuzu's jutsus are on this level:

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All of those elements are high level ninjutsu ,yes?

What happens when both high level elements hit each other? Use Logic

I did read the OP. Name one of kakuzu's attacks that can activate faster than Onoki's jinton(the one I showed) and then I'll take you seriously.

Is this a serious question? All elements streams have shown slower charge time then Jinton.

Different match-ups tbh. Hiruzen's clones and Enma being able to clone are way better methods of disrupting Jinton then the hearts prepping jutsu.

Having 4 helpers is just as effective. So I dont see how it matters that Hirzuen is more the merrier. The outcome is going to be as effective

 

[super yang]

to the OPs point, I always belive onoki beats kakuzu because of his diversity in overt earth jutsu combined w/ rock clone + weight shift shenanigans; not at all because of jin'ton

 

[Lord Tywin]

Actually the jinton I showed has lesser prep time than any of Kakuzu's elemental techniques

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[EZQ]

All of those elements are high level ninjutsu ,yes?

What happens when both high level elements hit each other? Use Logic



Is this a serious question? All elements streams have shown slower charge time then Jinton.



Having 4 helpers is just as effective. So I dont see how it matters that Hirzuen is more the merrier. The outcome is going to be as effective

You are the one that should use logic. Both being high level doesn't mean they're equal, since Hiruzen's ninjutsu is far above Kakuzu's. If they were to clash, Hiruzen overpowers. And you're the one who asked why can't kakuzu replicate hiruzen, well the answer is that Hiruzen's attacks are bigger

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You are the one that should use logic. Both being high level doesn't mean they're equal, since Hiruzen's ninjutsu is far above Kakuzu's. If they were to clash, Hiruzen overpowers. And you're the one who asked why can't kakuzu replicate hiruzen, well the answer is that Hiruzen's attacks are bigger

Then the burden of proof is on you to prove his elements is far above Kakuzu's.

How the hell is Hiruzen's attacks bigger? By what scaling are you using?

Hiruzen element stream combine was the size of mini-SS. The mini-SS is Buijuu Size.

Kakuzu single element have the length of trees as tall as Buijuu's. The width cover much more range inbetween the trees. It easily proves the stream can engulf a Buijuu size.

So lets not make stuff up.

Not sure why I should facepalm, because you compared Hiruzen and Kakuzu's Ninjutsu in terms of scale

Addressed scale.

while ignoring the rest of Hiruzen's arsenal,

Because I dont see any other arsenal that enables him to beat Onoki? So share with me?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

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[Draegod]

lol PPl actually still thinks Alive old Hiruzen cannot do what Edo did despite edo version being weaker then his alive version... Have you all not learned anything about EDO?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

lol PPl actually still thinks Alive old Hiruzen cannot do what Edo did despite edo version being weaker then his alive version... Have you all not learned anything about EDO?

What is it that you agree with KG65?

You agree Hiruzen elements are superior then and larger scale base on?
You agree that there is something Hiruzen has in his arsenals that enable his victory, that Kakuzu doesnt have? Which is?