DSM Kabuto & Zetsu Orochimaru vs War arc SM Naruto & Minato

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Location - Madara vs Gokage
Distance - 75m
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Conditions - Kurama is aiding Naruto with chakra meaning he can have a his T SM eye that's it. Manda 1 listen to Orochimaru,
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Team 2 takes it in my personal opinion. Naruto creates multiple clones and his father does as well. Minato tags his son and they create summonings so:

- Tayuya's Genjutsu becomes useless since Genjutsu doesn't work on clones that can break them out. Not to mention other means Naruto can use to overpower this sort that I've given before.

- Kidomaru's webs would never catch Minato or even Naruto. Assuming it catches the Naruto then the former uses Hirasihin to save them both in a bad scenario. Not to mention there might be a slight possibility of Naruto being able to force his way out with his ridiculous strength(Not 100% sure considering what Kidomaru implied)

- Jirobo's Earth style Jutsu becomes useless since Naruto can break out of the Dome upon knowing the weakness or Minato teleports them both out of it.

- Sakon/Ukon ability may be a key factor but considering Frog Kata, it would be a bad option for one to engage Naruto is a CQC. Especially in Minato's case who can easily evade and tag Kabuto leaving him opened for a blitz as he's not always in a Liquid state.

- Kimmari's ability is easily evaded and this isn't that much of a reasonable technique considering his teammate and how Kabuto takes one position when using this. He's left vulnerable.

- White Rage should naturally lose its effect in such a location that's not like Kabuto's cave seeing as it the intensity reduces. Same goes for Muki Tensei losing it's effect in such an environment.

- Naruto summons Ma and Pa that can assist him in this matchup with their various techniques such as Gama Rinsho which would wrap things up. Not to mention they make things easier since Fukusaku counters Tayuya's Genjutsu with his wind release and Shima counters Kidomaru's webs with her fire release. They can also use Frog Call to temporarily bind opponents leaving them for attacks as well. Plus Fukusaku being able to slash opponents/summonings with his Tongue slash technique. Ma also has that Toungue technique that releases a corrosive substance as seen with Pain.

- Orochimaru is the biggest non factor in this fight. Either FRS or deals with him or several SM clones...One of Naruto's SM clones battled and defeated the Third Raikage during the War and I recall seeing FRS being used as well as a Giant Rasengan. He stands no chance here.

Eventually I see the father and son duo taking this matchup.
 

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Im going to pretend ET is restricted.

Orochimaru = Minato
SM Kabuto>SM Naruto

Orochimaru and Kabuto can end this in 2 steps.

1. Orochimaru uses Mandara no Jin and command them all to eat and reverse summoning every FTG kunai on the field. Which easily outnumbers, regardless if some or most get killed.

2. Kabuto ends it by summoning Manda 2 rampaging the field.
 

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Team Snake wins.
 

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Team 2 takes it in my personal opinion. Naruto creates multiple clones and his father does as well. Minato tags his son and they create summonings so:

- Tayuya's Genjutsu becomes useless since Genjutsu doesn't work on clones that can break them out. Not to mention other means Naruto can use to overpower this sort that I've given before.

Genjutsu does work on clones, so if they make clones and then Kabuto uses Genjutsu, they all get caught. Though Naruto can be broken out via Kurama so this doesn't matter.

- Kidomaru's webs would never catch Minato or even Naruto. Assuming it catches the Naruto then the former uses Hirasihin to save them both in a bad scenario. Not to mention there might be a slight possibility of Naruto being able to force his way out with his ridiculous strength(Not 100% sure considering what Kidomaru implied)
True.

- Jirobo's Earth style Jutsu becomes useless since Naruto can break out of the Dome upon knowing the weakness or Minato teleports them both out of it.

True.

- Sakon/Ukon ability may be a key factor but considering Frog Kata, it would be a bad option for one to engage Naruto is a CQC. Especially in Minato's case who can easily evade and tag Kabuto leaving him opened for a blitz as he's not always in a Liquid state.

Agreed somewhat.

- Kimmari's ability is easily evaded and this isn't that much of a reasonable technique considering his teammate and how Kabuto takes one position when using this. He's left vulnerable.

The bones appear wherever Kabuto wants them to appear as shown by Kimimaro's usage of it during the war, so no, Orochimaru isn't vulnerable and it's actually a useful technique here due to it's AoE and the ability to merge with bones, that Kabuto should have since DB IV says that his D'N'A tech gives him the abilities, KKG and talents of all the people's DNA he's absorbed.

- White Rage should naturally lose its effect in such a location that's not like Kabuto's cave seeing as it the intensity reduces. Same goes for Muki Tensei losing it's effect in such an environment.

Wrong. Muki Tensei works on any substance that isn't organic. Madara vs. Gokage is full of large rock structures and the ground is nothing but sand and dirt. Perfect environment for Muki Tensei. White Rage's effect is only weakened, not lost. So these two still get paralyzed and blinded and deafened. Though Naruto can sense, he has no one to save him. Minato can sense too, but he can only teleport away when Kabuto is about to hit him. Muki Tensei can also be used to pretty much shift every single Kunai away from Kabuto's position, and without Kunai Minato will never blitz Kabuto, so he's offensively rendered useless.

So White Rage would paralyze them, then Muki Tensei/Kimimaro's Sawarabi no Mai/Kidomaru's Gold Arrow/ one shot Kabuto and Minato is left on his own. If Minato hasn't spread markings or if Kabuto has already gathered them towards a single place, Minato gets killed during this time too.

- Naruto summons Ma and Pa that can assist him in this matchup with their various techniques such as Gama Rinsho which would wrap things up. Not to mention they make things easier since Fukusaku counters Tayuya's Genjutsu with his wind release and Shima counters Kidomaru's webs with her fire release. They can also use Frog Call to temporarily bind opponents leaving them for attacks as well. Plus Fukusaku being able to slash opponents/summonings with his Tongue slash technique. Ma also has that Toungue technique that releases a corrosive substance as seen with Pain.

Gama Rinsho only helps if they survive long enough to prep it, which they won't. Genjutsu is pointless due to Kurama, webs are pointless too, Frog Call can be countered with White Rage. While Kabuto ends up bound, White Rage does the same to his foes thus they can't harm him, and White Rage lasts longer than Frog Call. Ma and Pa's attacks are only good for summonings. Bar Manda II of course due to it's massive size. Kabuto easily evades them, so does Orochimaru via Mayfly.

- Orochimaru is the biggest non factor in this fight. Either FRS or deals with him or several SM clones...One of Naruto's SM clones battled and defeated the Third Raikage during the War and I recall seeing FRS being used as well as a Giant Rasengan. He stands no chance here.

FRS would work for Orochimaru, assuming he were to engage Naruto. As long as he stays away from Naruto he's pretty much safe.


But yeah, Kabuto and Orochimaru win. Muki Tensei allows him to focus the markings towards a central spot, and then White Rage+any fatal attack=GG.
 

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Genjutsu does work on clones, so if they make clones and then Kabuto uses Genjutsu, they all get caught. Though Naruto can be broken out via Kurama so this doesn't matter.

No it doesn't

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The bones appear wherever Kabuto wants them to appear as shown by Kimimaro's usage of it during the war, so no, Orochimaru isn't vulnerable and it's actually a useful technique here due to it's AoE and the ability to merge with bones, that Kabuto should have since DB IV says that his D'N'A tech gives him the abilities, KKG and talents of all the people's DNA he's absorbed.

I don't think so.

KEKKEI GENKAI; NINJUTSU; Sawarabi no Mai (Dance of the Seedling Fern)
User: Kimimaro
Offensive; Close, Medium, Long ranges; Rank: none.

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Preternatural, the countless bones rise from underground as so many claws from a dragon or some such fantastic beast! Contrarily to what the mildness of the name implies, for a jutsu, it's an incredibly brutal one.
For it indiscriminately slaughters whoever stands on the ground's surface, down to the last man...

The blades of bone can be as many as thousands, up to the tens of thousands. Furthermore, if this fails to bring down his foe, Kimimaro has become one with the bones, which in turn lets him have said enemy's back. Then, he may strike the one last blow...

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-A multitude of bone blades spring forth, tearing the land apart from far underground!!

-The seeds of bloodlust shall never run out.

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-Bones, bones and more bones, fiercely protruding from underground...! A counter-attack prompted as Kimimaro was lured beneath the earth.

-Thanks to the power granted to him by Stage 2, Kimimaro becomes one with the bone blades. He appears out of one of the profusely blooming multitude of bones, like an unearthly manifestation...!

It's not a wise technique to use when you have partners around. Unless you're talking about some other bone technique, then I don't know about that because no other forms of Kimmi's bone would phase these 2 as they have no relevance in this matchup.


Wrong. Muki Tensei works on any substance that isn't organic. Madara vs. Gokage is full of large rock structures and the ground is nothing but sand and dirt. Perfect environment for Muki Tensei. White Rage's effect is only weakened, not lost. So these two still get paralyzed and blinded and deafened. Though Naruto can sense, he has no one to save him. Minato can sense too, but he can only teleport away when Kabuto is about to hit him. Muki Tensei can also be used to pretty much shift every single Kunai away from Kabuto's position, and without Kunai Minato will never blitz Kabuto, so he's offensively rendered useless.

Minato easily reacts to it seeing as Itachi could create Susano'o and cover Sasuke which did slow him down. Minato jumps with him in bad scenario.

White Rage loses it effect and I doubt it would be as effective to hold them down that much since the sound especially doesn't bounce of anything. Not to mention Orochimaru gets completely disturbed in this case as well.


So White Rage would paralyze them, then Muki Tensei/Kimimaro's Sawarabi no Mai/Kidomaru's Gold Arrow/ one shot Kabuto and Minato is left on his own. If Minato hasn't spread markings or if Kabuto has already gathered them towards a single place, Minato gets killed during this time too.

I explained why I disagree with the White Rage and also explained Sawarabi no Mai...Kidomaru's Gold arrow didn't kill Neji at a young age though? But Naruto can be saved if he's teleported by Minato? Minato can teleport to his clones as seen when his clones teleported him several times.

With White Rage having a dent, I don't think the strategy would be 100% effective especially with Orochimaru being a hindrance. M

Gama Rinsho only helps if they survive long enough to prep it, which they won't. Genjutsu is pointless due to Kurama, webs are pointless too, Frog Call can be countered with White Rage. While Kabuto ends up bound, White Rage does the same to his foes thus they can't harm him, and White Rage lasts longer than Frog Call. Ma and Pa's attacks are only good for summonings. Bar Manda II of course due to it's massive size. Kabuto easily evades them, so does Orochimaru via Mayfly.

Pretty sure they will and considering the oppositions don't have intel on it, it makes this even more achievable. Frog call isn't going to be countered with White Rage if white rage isn't brought out in time as a counter.



FRS would work for Orochimaru, assuming he were to engage Naruto. As long as he stays away from Naruto he's pretty much safe.

Okay.


But yeah, Kabuto and Orochimaru win. Muki Tensei allows him to focus the markings towards a central spot, and then White Rage+any fatal attack=GG.

There are clones which they can teleport to and the clones just need to mark certain spots and touch areas of the ground to enable this.
 
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^Genjutsu would definitely catch them though. Not saying's it's a factor against Naruto(Kurama), but Minato can be caught. But Naruto can pop him out. But the difference is the sound genjutsu and visual genjutsu. In sound, as long as you're hearing the sound you're caught. Numbers don't matter. The real characters and their clones would all get caught since they're hearing the sound. Visual genjutsu relies on putting one opponent in genjutsu. That's why they say sound genjutsu>Visual genjutsu.
 

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^Genjutsu would definitely catch them though. Not saying's it's a factor against Naruto(Kurama), but Minato can be caught. But Naruto can pop him out. But the difference is the sound genjutsu and visual genjutsu. In sound, as long as you're hearing the sound you're caught. Numbers don't matter. The real characters and their clones would all get caught since they're hearing the sound. Visual genjutsu relies on putting one opponent in genjutsu. That's why they say sound genjutsu>Visual genjutsu.

I once addressed this:

Genjutsu is a Genjutsu though their used differently, the main point is to control the chakra in one's head.

First of all, Never was it said to be different. The main point is to affect the senses. That's all to it.
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There are different forms but they all carry the same use in different ways given the fact that they involve controlling the chakra in one's head...Doesn't matter whether it's through the eyes, ears or nose. The main point is it controls the chakra in one's head.

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And we've seen Itachi failed to control the chakra in the clone's head. Therefore, Tayuya would fail to do the same.


Tayuya's Genjutsu was never stated to be different. Never in any unique way except for the fact that it works on the ears. It was noted to be a long distance Genjutsu and Shikamaru said it's harder because it can still be used while hiding unlike the sight.
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That scan refers to how the original wasn't affected. We can clearly see the clone inside Genjutsu a page before, and he says "I wouldn't expect YOU to be affected by this Genjutsu, THIS is a Kage Bunshin".

YOU=The guy who came out of the ground.
THIS=The the guy in front of Itachi.


I don't think so.



It's not a wise technique to use when you have partners around. Unless you're talking about some other bone technique, then I don't know about that because no other forms of Kimmi's bone would phase these 2 as they have no relevance in this matchup.

Nah.






Minato easily reacts to it seeing as Itachi could create Susano'o and cover Sasuke which did slow him down. Minato jumps with him in bad scenario.

To where? :lol. There is nowhere to go, especially if Minato's markings have been either sunk or gathered into a single spot.

White Rage loses it effect and I doubt it would be as effective to hold them down that much since the sound especially doesn't bounce of anything. Not to mention Orochimaru gets completely disturbed in this case as well.

Uh, no. It gets weaker. It losing it's effect makes no sense unless you are trying to say that the sound coming from it doesn't exist, or the light doesn't exist, or the vibration of the air doesn't exist. Being in a confined space only makes it more intense, it doesn't make it nonexistent. If flashbangs and loud noises can blind and deafen people indoors and outdoors, White Rage would work too.

Whether or not Oro gets hurt is irrelevant since once it's used, Minato and Naruto are done.


I explained why I disagree with the White Rage and also explained Sawarabi no Mai...Kidomaru's Gold arrow didn't kill Neji at a young age though? But Naruto can be saved if he's teleported by Minato? Minato can teleport to his clones as seen when his clones teleported him several times.

If this is during White Rage, Minato can't use any jutsu to save him since he can't move. Minato can save himself, but Naruto can't, so he dies. Only reason it didn't kill Neji is because he was able to deflect it. Naruto can't do anything as he can't move. Minato can teleport, but only if he has clones out beforehand.

With White Rage having a dent, I don't think the strategy would be 100% effective especially with Orochimaru being a hindrance. M
Orochimaru isn't a hindrance to Kabuto, he's only immobile during White Rage.


Pretty sure they will and considering the oppositions don't have intel on it, it makes this even more achievable. Frog call isn't going to be countered with White Rage if white rage isn't brought out in time as a counter.

Irrelevant. Unless they can survive that long against Kabuto and Orochimaru they can't get it off, and they won't survive that long so they never get it off. If White Rage is released at the same time as Frog Call, then it's GG for them since they get paralyzed.






There are clones which they can teleport to and the clones just need to mark certain spots and touch areas of the ground to enable this.

Muki Tensei controls said ground, so the same thing that happens to the Kunai happens to his markings.
 

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That scan refers to how the original wasn't affected. We can clearly see the clone inside Genjutsu a page before, and he says "I wouldn't expect YOU to be affected by this Genjutsu, THIS is a Kage Bunshin".

YOU=The guy who came out of the ground.
THIS=The the guy in front of Itachi.

Yes but the clone is completely unaffected hence the SFX "Grab" in the top panel after Genjutsu took place:

He wasn't affected which was why the clone strengthened the hold on him and shortly after that, he stated "No wonder" because he figured the effect wasn't taken place hence the clone being able to still move after that.

If the clone was affected, it won't be tightening the grip on him especially when one can't even move their body after being placed in the Genjutsu. Seen with Cee, Bee and some other cases.



Nah.




They were Edos so we won't even know what exactly happened there as we see it already existed before Naruto arrived on the battlefield...You cannot suggest that debunks it especially when it's been stated by the description to back it up perfectly. Are you suggesting his teammates survived it or it just didn't hit them when it's wasn't shown? Because Edo's would always regenerate.


To where? :lol. There is nowhere to go, especially if Minato's markings have been either sunk or gathered into a single spot.

To his clones? which don't necessarily have to be in the same area.



Uh, no. It gets weaker. It losing it's effect makes no sense unless you are trying to say that the sound coming from it doesn't exist, or the light doesn't exist, or the vibration of the air doesn't exist. Being in a confined space only makes it more intense, it doesn't make it nonexistent. If flashbangs and loud noises can blind and deafen people indoors and outdoors, White Rage would work too.

Alright but I countered.

Whether or not Oro gets hurt is irrelevant since once it's used, Minato and Naruto are done.

Nope.



If this is during White Rage, Minato can't use any jutsu to save him since he can't move. Minato can save himself, but Naruto can't, so he dies. Only reason it didn't kill Neji is because he was able to deflect it. Naruto can't do anything as he can't move. Minato can teleport, but only if he has clones out beforehand.

If Minato can teleport himself, then he definitely can teleport Naruto with him. Just a little contact( could be stepping on the other's feet just in case considering they don't know what it is) could save them.

Plus if Minato's clone makes contact with Naruto's clone, he can have the real Naruto jump from white rage since he's in connection with Naruto's chakra.

Can that arrow get past Naruto's SM durability in a bad case scenario?

Orochimaru isn't a hindrance to Kabuto, he's only immobile during White Rage.

One can take advantage of this an kill him from a distance..Maybe Naruto's clone with FRS.


Irrelevant. Unless they can survive that long against Kabuto and Orochimaru they can't get it off, and they won't survive that long so they never get it off. If White Rage is released at the same time as Frog Call, then it's GG for them since they get paralyzed.

That's assuming it is released at the same time..However if White rage is released first, then they counter like I stated. If not, then Naruto and Minato proceed to kill him once frog call is released first. If it becomes tricky, then they just need to evade these techniques via Hiariashin until that sound Genjutsu is ready and mind you, most of Kabuto's techniques like Muki Tensei requires him bending down to make contact with the ground...Something that leaves him vulnerable when focusing on opponents and considering the number of clones in the battlefield that Naruto can make use of to catch him slippin.


Muki Tensei controls said ground, so the same thing that happens to the Kunai happens to his markings.

Ok then clones seem to be the only thing that'll enable him jump.
 

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Yes but the clone is completely unaffected hence the SFX "Grab" in the top panel after Genjutsu took place:

He wasn't affected which was why the clone strengthened the hold on him and shortly after that, he stated "No wonder" because he figured the effect wasn't taken place hence the clone being able to still move after that.

If the clone was affected, it won't be tightening the grip on him especially when one can't even move their body after being placed in the Genjutsu. Seen with Cee, Bee and some other cases.


Never even noticed that before. Great point. I'll concede this part, though Genjutsu never really was a factor....

But this should be useful in future arguments.



They were Edos so we won't even know what exactly happened there as we see it already existed before Naruto arrived on the battlefield...You cannot suggest that debunks it especially when it's been stated by the description to back it up perfectly. Are you suggesting his teammates survived it or it just didn't hit them when it's wasn't shown? Because Edo's would always regenerate.

Them being Edos is irrelevant. No bones are in the area near Kimimaro and his allies and all the bones are in the area where Naruto and his allies are. The damage they take wasn't the point I was trying to make. The lack of bones in said area is what I was pointing out and that is enough to debunk the DB, assuming that the DB doesn't mean something else.


To his clones? which don't necessarily have to be in the same area.

How is he going to get any clones far away enough when White Rage takes less than 3 seconds to go off? If Minato tries to spread out like this from the start, then Kabuto just responds with White Rage leaving him unable to do anything.


If Minato can teleport himself, then he definitely can teleport Naruto with him. Just a little contact( could be stepping on the other's feet just in case considering they don't know what it is) could save them.

Literally no reason for them to do something as awkward as that when they have no idea what it is, and even then Muki Tensei can separate them.

Plus if Minato's clone makes contact with Naruto's clone, he can have the real Naruto jump from white rage since he's in connection with Naruto's chakra.

No, he's not. He's only making physical contact with Naruto's body, not Naruto's chakra.

And that's assuming that when White Rage is used, they have clones set up far enough away from the detonation zone of White Rage, and even if this happens, then Kabuto simply switches to attacking with Muki Tensei, Sawarabi no Mai and Manda II to deal with any clone spam. Then he releases White Rage one more time, but only this time they can't escape.

Can that arrow get past Naruto's SM durability in a bad case scenario?

It was creating giant craters in the ground despite it being just an arrow, so I'd say yeah. That's a bigger impact that Sasuke's Susanoo arrow makes and I don't think Naruto is going to tank that, especially when Madara in Sage Mode got pierced by Sasuke's blade.

One can take advantage of this an kill him from a distance..Maybe Naruto's clone with FRS.

Mayfly lets him evade, especially if it's from a distance.


That's assuming it is released at the same time..However if White rage is released first, then they counter like I stated. If not, then Naruto and Minato proceed to kill him once frog call is released first. If it becomes tricky, then they just need to evade these techniques via Hiariashin until that sound Genjutsu is ready and mind you, most of Kabuto's techniques like Muki Tensei requires him bending down to make contact with the ground...Something that leaves him vulnerable when focusing on opponents and considering the number of clones in the battlefield that Naruto can make use of to catch him slippin.

If White Rage is released first, then everything goes as explained above. If Frog Call is released first, then Kabuto can simply use Oral Rebirth to escape whatever attack that is incoming, since the physical body is paralyzed, but you don't need to move to use Oral Rebirth as Sasuke has shown us, while Orochimaru can just merge with the environment using Mayfly, so this doesn't help them anyway.

Sakon/Ukon's ability lets him form a clone of whoever he picks from the DNA he's stolen, so that leaves Kabuto open to do whatever while the clone uses it's own Ninjutsu to fend him off. Not to mention Orochimaru is still here.




Ok then clones seem to be the only thing that'll enable him jump.

Countered above. Kabuto can either do crowd control before he uses White Rage, or do it after the first attempt fails.
 

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I might as well just agree here...Nice points. Muki Tensei the biggest factor here.
 

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But this should be useful in future arguments.

Dont see what why you conceding to this point when we outright seen the clone being under genjutsu. The whole fight was based on this[ ].

Thats what Kakashi did with a Clone. This [ ] outright shows Itachi noticing it last min, explaining in his own genjutsu. And he knew the weakness of the Sharingan being attack from the rear from a partner.

So the jutsu wearing off wasnt by Clone canceling the effects, it was because Itachi notice he was open and canceled it. Thus why clone kept him in place so he wouldnt go anywhere.
 

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Dont see what why you conceding to this point when we outright seen the clone being under genjutsu. The whole fight was based on this[ ].

Thats what Kakashi did with a Clone. This [ ] outright shows Itachi noticing it last min, explaining in his own genjutsu. And he knew the weakness of the Sharingan being attack from the rear from a partner.

So the jutsu wearing off wasnt by Clone canceling the effects, it was because Itachi notice he was open and canceled it. Thus why clone kept him in place so he wouldnt go anywhere.

What reason would he have to cancel the Genjutsu?
 

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Dont see what why you conceding to this point when we outright seen the clone being under genjutsu. The whole fight was based on this[ ].

Thats what Kakashi did with a Clone. This [ ] outright shows Itachi noticing it last min, explaining in his own genjutsu. And he knew the weakness of the Sharingan being attack from the rear from a partner.

So the jutsu wearing off wasnt by Clone canceling the effects, it was because Itachi notice he was open and canceled it. Thus why clone kept him in place so he wouldnt go anywhere.

Where did Itachi cancel the Genjutsu come from? It's outright shown in the next scan that the clone strengthened the grip and Itachi then made that comment right after that. Who said he canceled it? From where? He was put in it but it had no effect or he won't be able to strengthen it's grip on him.

He canceled the Genjutsu? Because you said so? Not to mention what sense does it make that he canceled something that was having an effect? Especially when Itachi states "No wonder, I won't expect you to be affected". He states this after the grip was strengthened on him. That No wonder after seeing the real Kakashi must have been triggered from the fact that no effect wasn't taking place on the clone.
 

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To escape?

Doesn't make sense.

1. If the Genjutsu was still on the clone, he'd be able to escape as the clone would be immobile.
2. Why would he have to be stationary to continue the Genjutsu since that is obviously what you are implying here? Ocular Genjutsu has never shown to work like that, ever.
3. He blatantly stated that the clone wasn't affected.
 

Brother Numpsay

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Yea I conceded. But this shouldnt be transfer to other genjutsu though, as all have different priorities.
 

KidGamer65

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Yea I conceded. But this shouldnt be transfer to other genjutsu though, as all have different priorities.

The only thing that differs between Genjutsu is how they are applied and how strong they are.
 
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