Ashura and Indra are a tier above Toneri and Last BSM Naruto
they are slightly weaker than RSM naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke. both of whom would nearly stomp any one on this tier. bar Madara and thats solely because of portrayal
sasuke is not a tier above people like Itachi, Danzo, Third Raikage, Gaara and Muu
he should moove down. naruto can go down a tier too
TIER 15 One MS Kakashi Hatake (War Arc)
Shisui Uchiha (Both MS)
Gaara
Third Raikage
Danzo Shimura (With KA)
Muu
SM Naruto Uzumaki (Pain Arc)
Onoki
Kisame Hoshigaki
SM Jiraiya
Ay
Sick Itachi Uchiha
are the meteors bigger height wise than a mountain range is wide? thats the correct question to be posing, not whether or not the meteor is taller than an individual mountain in height.
are the meteors bigger height wise than width wise?
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yes, very slightly. not enough for you to have a point.
If a Mountain=a Meteor in durability then yes, this question would make sense to ask. But it's not, so it doesn't.
the mountain range consists of all the mountains on that panel. claiming that the one fragment=a mountain range is pure dishonesty. it clearly isnt as big as a mountain range.
My bad. I should've said the Mountains that had the lines drawn on the panel, which would be around 4.
you claimed that the meteor fragments were not spread out, correct? then all of the meteor would be right there on the panel in the form of its fragments, which only cover a mountain range.
No, they aren't spread out. They are sitting on top of each other. So only the measurement of a single fragment's width is the measurement that matters here. If the Meteor was in it's full form, the width and length would dramatically increase, thus it'd dwarf that entire Mountain Range since a piece of it is already as large as said Mountain Range.
@bold-based on what? you still havent substantiated this.
why would you think that madaras CT is pound for pound more durable than a mountain? thats your job to prove. CT is simply existing rock pulled from the earth, towards the core.
For the same exact reason a boulder and a Mountain are nowhere near as durable as each other. KN6's Bijuu Dama did practically nothing to
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in it's incomplete state. Yet all this rock was vaporized by
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The thicker it is the harder it will be to penetrate. If CT was really just as thick as a regular Mountain, then KN6's Bijuu Dama would've destroyed at least some part of the CT, yet it didn't. Then throw in the fact that KN4 was already vaporizing Rashomon with it's attacks, yet CT wasn't affected by KN6.
So yeah, Madara being able to cut a Mountain doesn't mean that he can cut CT. Sasuke's Chidori can put holes in boulders, yet he wouldn't achieve the same size hole if he hit a Mountain.
um, no. none of these are whats required to substantiate my claim and the scan doesnt in the least bit imply that the shinju is smaller than a mountain. the distance in the case, isnt enough to skew the size difference.
This is exactly what that scan shows due to perspective, and the bold obviously doesn't make sense. If they appear to be the same size when the Mountain is farther away from the "camera" than the Meteor and the Shinju stump, then obviously the Meteor will get "larger" as you bring it closer, thus when they are both being viewed from the same perspective, it'd mean that those Mountains dwarf that rock, which is impossible based off of almost every other scan and statement in the Manga, so you can't use a scan that has flawed scaling as evidence.
i want you to quote exactly where i said "meteor=mountain". the scan i provided magically "not working" doesnt fly here. these are the only scans which show a full meteor compared to mountains and there isnt any inconsistency between these 2 scans.
It doesn't work because the scaling is flawed and inconsistent. And :lol My bad. I completely misread. You said half a Meteor=2-3 Mountains in width, and yes, there is a very obvious contradiction between your two scans.
-Scan 1 shows HALF of a Meteor equaling 2-3 Mountains in width.
-Scan 2 shows a fragment of a Meteor equaling 3-4 Mountains in width.
Unless you are going to tell me that half of that Meteor is half of that fragment in size, there is absolutely no way that there is no contradiction between these two scans.
so this debate is over then since the shockwave of madaras PS can easily travel the distance of obitos barrier, which is >shinju stump in width, which is equal to a meteor in width.
but you cant prove that CT is more durable than a mountain pound for pound so this is moot. you are just assuming it is.
smashing a bunch of rocks together isnt going to create a construct pound for pound more durable than before. unless CT is bringing them together at a molecular level, you dont have a point.
where are you getting this from? i never claimed that madaras meteor=single mountain. i said that the spread out fragments covered a mountain range width wise, so the fully intact meteor would cover less.
a full meteor would obviously cover the amount of area that its fragment did and more, but to the extent that you want to claim? nope, you cant even substantiate it.
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using my logic, madaras CT is still bigger than nagatos in all dimensions. this point is moot.
Yeah, I realize that now, but the bold makes zero sense as no spread out fragment was shown in the panel. We only see a single fragment on the ground, and then the rest are on top of that.
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What you yourself boxed here is the only fragment touching the ground. What you boxed here is just a single fragment. And the lines show that this single fragment is just as wide as every Mountain lined in this scan, give or take. So where is this "spread out fragments" stuff coming from when they aren't spread out across the ground? They are piled on top of each other. So put together the Meteor, and it becomes far far far far wider than those Mountains in the panel as the fragment is nowhere near even half of the size of the full Meteor itself.
No, they aren't spread out. They are sitting on top of each other. So only the measurement of a single fragment's width is the measurement that matters here. If the Meteor was in it's full form, the width and length would dramatically increase, thus it'd dwarf that entire Mountain Range since a piece of it is already as large as said Mountain Range.
if the fragments are not spread out like you are asserting, then that means that all of the pieces we see on that panel are representative of the full width and length of a single meteor.
that would mean that they fell to the ground in this exact state.
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For the same exact reason a boulder and a Mountain are nowhere near as durable as each other. KN6's Bijuu Dama did practically nothing to
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in it's incomplete state. Yet all this rock was vaporized by
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The thicker it is the harder it will be to penetrate. If CT was really just as thick as a regular Mountain, then KN6's Bijuu Dama would've destroyed at least some part of the CT, yet it didn't. Then throw in the fact that KN4 was already vaporizing Rashomon with it's attacks, yet CT wasn't affected by KN6.
So yeah, Madara being able to cut a Mountain doesn't mean that he can cut CT. Sasuke's Chidori can put holes in boulders, yet he wouldn't achieve the same size hole if he hit a Mountain.
pound for pound, a boulder may not be as durable as a mountain since they are made from different types of rock with different hardness, not because one is bigger.
CT is made from the same exact material as the rock is picks up from mountain ranges.
as for your point about kn6, its bijudama entered CT and destroyed everything inside that the explosion covered. the only reason it didnt do anything to CT because:
1. it was beyond mountain sized at that point and the AOE of kn6's bijudama doesnt operate at that scale.
2. the core wasnt hit and wouldnt have been destroyed even if it did hit the core, so rubble just kept on collecting.
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This is exactly what that scan shows due to perspective, and the bold obviously doesn't make sense. If they appear to be the same size when the Mountain is farther away from the "camera" than the Meteor and the Shinju stump, then obviously the Meteor will get "larger" as you bring it closer, thus when they are both being viewed from the same perspective, it'd mean that those Mountains dwarf that rock, which is impossible based off of almost every other scan and statement in the Manga, so you can't use a scan that has flawed scaling as evidence.
It doesn't work because the scaling is flawed and inconsistent. And :lol My bad. I completely misread. You said half a Meteor=2-3 Mountains in width, and yes, there is a very obvious contradiction between your two scans.
-Scan 1 shows HALF of a Meteor equaling 2-3 Mountains in width.
-Scan 2 shows a fragment of a Meteor equaling 3-4 Mountains in width.
Unless you are going to tell me that half of that Meteor is half of that fragment in size, there is absolutely no way that there is no contradiction between these two scans.
at the bold, where you say in scan 1 that half of a meteor is 2-3 mountains wide and a fragment of a meteor is 3-4 mountains wide in scan 2.
all of this would depend on the mountains that you compare them to. most mountains while generally within the same realm of size, do boast some size differences and kishi does draw as such. you arent going to claim that all of them are the same size to the millimeter, are you? a "discrepancy" like this can easily be explained. you wouldve had a point if a single fragment covered something like an entire mountain range, but it doesnt.
do you know the true implication of your claim? it would mean that within this panel
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there exists a fragment that boasts roughly half of the meteors width.
Yeah, I realize that now, but the bold makes zero sense as no spread out fragment was shown in the panel. We only see a single fragment on the ground, and then the rest are on top of that.
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What you yourself boxed here is the only fragment touching the ground. What you boxed here is just a single fragment. And the lines show that this single fragment is just as wide as every Mountain lined in this scan, give or take. So where is this "spread out fragments" stuff coming from when they aren't spread out across the ground? They are piled on top of each other. So put together the Meteor, and it becomes far far far far wider than those Mountains in the panel as the fragment is nowhere near even half of the size of the full Meteor itself.
as i mentioned earlier, if the fragments arent spread out at all as you say, then the rubble we see coming down is representative of the full meteors length and width.
also, the original purpose of this point was seeing whether or not a slash of madaras PS had enough range to go across the distance of a meteor.
this was already proven true by the PS, shinju, obitos barrier comparison. unless you think there is some kind of merit in further discussing this particular point, it should be dropped and focus should go towards the point of about CT's durability in order to hurry this along.
