DMS Kakashi vs JJ Obito,8th Gai and Base RSM Naruto

[Eng nawashi]

Condition: this is Naruto who cut the tree down ,Jin Obito has no access to kamui at all

location : Gai vs Madara

Distance : 100 M

Who wins ?

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi wins. Nobody here can even think of injuring PS except Obito, and BD tree is warped or cut down. Shinju is bisected, and PS rapes them.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Kakashi wins. Nobody here can even think of injuring PS except Obito, and BD tree is warped or cut down. Shinju is bisected, and PS rapes them.

What about adding DRSM Madara w/o susano !!?

 

[KidGamer65]

Not sure what he can do without Susanoo. Though if hes anywhere near as strong as i think he should be, his CT might be enough to let this team win.

But of course what im saying is baseless.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Not sure what he can do without Susanoo. Though if hes anywhere near as strong as i think he should be, his CT might be enough to let this team win.

But of course what im saying is baseless.

How big is this CT!!? Anyway its core can be warped away,alright!!?
How would Madara's PS change the outcome of this fight !?

 

[Zee U]

Good matchup.

Main problem for T2 is PS, and a very big one. Leaving it aside, Kakashi's arsenal is rather useless. Kamui is too slow to do anything here and creating big ripples would leave him open, any other tech isn't applicable considering he would spend most of the time inside Susanoo. Speaking of the latter, it shouldn't be much weaker than Sasuke's (who would stomp this team), so i can put up a argument.

A big problem here for Kakashi is the chemistry between the three. Normally one by one they would get stomped, but by exploiting their arsenal i can come to the conclusion that they can win in a scenario.

- Debatably, Naruto can manifest TSBs. He only showed them after he manifested the cloak yes, but it doesn't change the fact they come from having Rikudou Senjutsu which comes from RSM, and not from the chakra cloak. Not to mention he didn't have the chance to create them from the go because he had to rush to Gai and used YRS which saved him from a skirmish with Madara.
If i am right, Naruto can use BDRS which is a key part of my strategy.

- Using TSBs, either Obito's or Naruto's, no difference, Gai can fly like his team members and reach PS's height to where he has the possibility of attacking the jewel directly. Naruto can use TKB to create a lot of copies like he did againts Kaguya, and transforming them into Gai he can let the latter prepare Yagai which would bust PS's jewel and kill Kakashi possibly. Both Naruto and Obito can stall PS in the meantime.

- Tactic 2: BD Tree. Obito creates the tree, with one flower because a BD is more than enough. TSBs (8 + 9) are used to shield it from Kakashi's shockwaves, while RSs can intercept Kamui Shuriken. Flying Gai can annoy Kakashi with Hirudoras or Asa Kujaku from above, blocking his LOS. Once the BD is prepped kaboom, intangibility? He gets punked after the explosion without his construct.

- Tactic 3: A Naruto clone absorbs excess NE a la VOTE2 assuming he can do so, creating a superpowered BDRS. Same tactic as tactic 2 basically, but with a different nuke.

Kakashi still wins more times than not, but T2 can win, it's not a total stomp.

 

[KidGamer65]

How big is this CT!!? Anyway its core can be warped away,alright!!?
How would Madara's PS change the outcome of this fight !?

Dwarfs Nagatos, and his dwarfed a Mountain Range. It can, but he can make more than 4, and Kakashi can only use 4 shuriken at a time.

His PS would let them win.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Good matchup.

Main problem for T2 is PS, and a very big one. Leaving it aside, Kakashi's arsenal is rather useless. Kamui is too slow to do anything here and creating big ripples would leave him open, any other tech isn't applicable considering he would spend most of the time inside Susanoo. Speaking of the latter, it shouldn't be much weaker than Sasuke's (who would stomp this team), so i can put up a argument.

A big problem here for Kakashi is the chemistry between the three. Normally one by one they would get stomped, but by exploiting their arsenal i can come to the conclusion that they can win in a scenario.

- Debatably, Naruto can manifest TSBs. He only showed them after he manifested the cloak yes, but it doesn't change the fact they come from having Rikudou Senjutsu which comes from RSM, and not from the chakra cloak. Not to mention he didn't have the chance to create them from the go because he had to rush to Gai and used YRS which saved him from a skirmish with Madara.
If i am right, Naruto can use BDRS which is a key part of my strategy.

- Using TSBs, either Obito's or Naruto's, no difference, Gai can fly like his team members and reach PS's height to where he has the possibility of attacking the jewel directly. Naruto can use TKB to create a lot of copies like he did againts Kaguya, and transforming them into Gai he can let the latter prepare Yagai which would bust PS's jewel and kill Kakashi possibly. Both Naruto and Obito can stall PS in the meantime.

- Tactic 2: BD Tree. Obito creates the tree, with one flower because a BD is more than enough. TSBs (8 + 9) are used to shield it from Kakashi's shockwaves, while RSs can intercept Kamui Shuriken. Flying Gai can annoy Kakashi with Hirudoras or Asa Kujaku from above, blocking his LOS. Once the BD is prepped kaboom, intangibility? He gets punked after the explosion without his construct.

- Tactic 3: A Naruto clone absorbs excess NE a la VOTE2 assuming he can do so, creating a superpowered BDRS. Same tactic as tactic 2 basically, but with a different nuke.

Kakashi still wins more times than not, but T2 can win, it's not a total stomp.

TSB set is a Rikudo senjutsu power ,RSM =/= Rikudo senjutsu .
Goudodama was never formed at the tree size , Protecting the tree by Goudodama won't help either ,kakashi can just warp it with long range kamui or destroy the shield by a direct slashs,also the BD itself can be warped away even after it is fired by kamui shrukens ,or he can just close his susano ,phase through the BD and its explosion,then manifests his PS again .
Naruto TKB won't help either ,shockwaves can erase all of them.
I doubt that NG can destroy PS .

 

[Ambivalence]

Kakashi wins with mid-high difficulty.

 

[Apêx1]

Depends on Juubito being able to form and land the TBB's before Kakashi can warp them. Kakashi probably wins tho.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Dwarfs Nagatos, and his dwarfed a Mountain Range. It can, but he can make more than 4, and Kakashi can only use 4 shuriken at a time.

His PS would let them win.

Dwarfing Nagato's CT doesn't mean it can't be destroyed with kakashi PS slashes ,well it depends on how big it is .
Kakashi can shot 4 kamui shurukins then follow them with another four to warp more cores ,long range kamui with clones is an option too

How!!?kakashi can literally one shot Madara's PS once he manifests it via kamui snipe ,or bypass it with clones that teleport inside Madara's PS and attack him with kamui raikeri .

Edit:the teleporting strategy might fail if Madara is surrounded by his limbo clones ,depends if the clones are fast enough to intercept kakashi's clones before they completely warp out and activate the intangibility.

Since kakashi added kamui power to both Susano objects and lightening techs ,can he hypothetically make a kamui lightening clone that opens a warping barrier once it is hit ?

 

[Nagato The Sage]

What about adding DRSM Madara w/o susano !!?

He'd solo in all honesty

 

[Eng nawashi]

He'd solo in all honesty

How!!!?

 

[Tantalus Thief]

DMS Kakashi wins high difficulty.

 

[Nagato The Sage]

How!!!?

Has Rikudo chakra as well and far superior Doujutsu

 

[Selan]

Kakashi blitzes Obito's head off with Kamui Raikiri. Naruto is defeated through Kamui Shuriken, perfect to stomp his clones army and warp away his nukes. Kakashi will eventually deal with Gai, avoiding his onslaught thanks to Kamui phasing.

 

[KidGamer65]

Dwarfing Nagato's CT doesn't mean it can't be destroyed with kakashi PS slashes ,well it depends on how big it is .
Kakashi can shot 4 kamui shurukins then follow them with another four to warp more cores ,long range kamui with clones is an option too

How!!?kakashi can literally one shot Madara's PS once he manifests it via kamui snipe ,or bypass it with clones that teleport inside Madara's PS and attack him with kamui raikeri .

Edit:the teleporting strategy might fail if Madara is surrounded by his limbo clones ,depends if the clones are fast enough to intercept kakashi's clones before they completely warp out and activate the intangibility.

Since kakashi added kamui power to both Susano objects and lightening techs ,can he hypothetically make a kamui lightening clone that opens a warping barrier once it is hit ?

No point in me arguing the CT business since once again, he has no feats thus all this stuff is baseless. At least the stuff with CT. As for Madara's PS vs. Kakashi's PS, Kamui Warp fails as long as he keeps CT hovering around him to block once he feels Kakashi building up chakra to use it. Clones get countered by Limbo, and his PS kills Kakashi's, and if it can't take it solo, then it along with Obito and co stomp.

The last sentence is 100% baseless. Get some evidence and then we'll talk about it. Being able to merge Kamui and Raikiri doesn't mean he can merge Kamui and all his techs.

A big problem here for Kakashi is the chemistry between the three. Normally one by one they would get stomped, but by exploiting

- Debatably, Naruto can manifest TSBs. He only showed them after he manifested the cloak yes, but it doesn't change the fact they come from having Rikudou Senjutsu which comes from RSM, and not from the chakra cloak. Not to mention he didn't have the chance to create them from the go because he had to rush to Gai and used YRS which saved him from a skirmish with Madara.
If i am right, Naruto can use BDRS which is a key part of my strategy.

Nope. Having Rikudo Senjutsu doesn't matter when Naruto has only shown to manifest the Gudo Dama in his higher form of said Rikudo Senjutsu. But let's give them to him anyway, because it matters little here.

- Using TSBs, either Obito's or Naruto's, no difference, Gai can fly like his team members and reach PS's height to where he has the possibility of attacking the jewel directly. Naruto can use TKB to create a lot of copies like he did againts Kaguya, and transforming them into Gai he can let the latter prepare Yagai which would bust PS's jewel and kill Kakashi possibly. Both Naruto and Obito can stall PS in the meantime.

-Naruto can't stall PS. He can't combat it in close quavers nor can he deal any significant damage to it. Same goes for Obito without Bijuu Dama.

-Transforming his clones into Gai literally does nothing here as the one prepping Night Guy will clearly be the original, so Kakashi goes for that one. PS decimates him or Kamui warps him while he's stationary.

- Tactic 2: BD Tree. Obito creates the tree, with one flower because a BD is more than enough. TSBs (8 + 9) are used to shield it from Kakashi's shockwaves, while RSs can intercept Kamui Shuriken. Flying Gai can annoy Kakashi with Hirudoras or Asa Kujaku from above, blocking his LOS. Once the BD is prepped kaboom, intangibility? He gets punked after the explosion without his construct.

But then long range Kamui warps the Gudo Dama and Kakashi cuts down the tree with PS. Not sure if you are being 100% serious with the bold strategy though. I mean, why would Asa Kujaku and Hirudora bother Kakashi to the extent that he wouldn't be able to charge through them and tear apart Obito's tree?

- Tactic 3: A Naruto clone absorbs excess NE a la VOTE2 assuming he can do so, creating a superpowered BDRS. Same tactic as tactic 2 basically, but with a different nuke.

Kakashi still wins more times than not, but T2 can win, it's not a total stomp.

Not sure why you are giving him Cloaked RSM Naruto w/ Kurama's feats when Kurama can't gather for him here due to not being outside, nor does Naruto have the mode he had when said NE was gathered.

 

[Eng nawashi]

No point in me arguing the CT business since once again, he has no feats thus all this stuff is baseless. At least the stuff with CT. As for Madara's PS vs. Kakashi's PS, Kamui Warp fails as long as he keeps CT hovering around him to block once he feels Kakashi building up chakra to use it. Clones get countered by Limbo, and his PS kills Kakashi's, and if it can't take it solo, then it along with Obito and co stomp.

Assuming building chakra up for kamui is that long that Madara would feel it coming , and cover his PS with CT ,then what is next !!? Kakashi has now builded up the necessary chakra for his kamui and Madara is hiding behind his CT ,what is next!?? kakashi can just ignore him ,finish his team ,then wait till Madara shows up again Lol,or he can just destroy madara CT ,then rip his PS neck off .
My point is that kakashi won't necessarily use his kamui once he builds up chakra ,he can build up the chakra ,then uses kamui whenever he feels like to ,like using kamui on Madara's PS while their susanos in CQC ,hiding behind CT isn't a valid counter .
Not to mention that building up chakra for kamui isn't that long considering kakashi's feat in warping hachibi in and out and ripping the gedu's arm ,ofc Madara's PS dwarfs hachibi and Gedu but kakashi just needs to rip its neck off

The last sentence is 100% baseless. Get some evidence and then we'll talk about it. Being able to merge Kamui and Raikiri doesn't mean he can merge Kamui and all his techs.

I didn't say he can merge kamui with all his techs .
DB says kakashi can add kamui power to Susano 's weapons ,it didn't specify the shurkins ,meaning kakashi adding kamui power to susano shurukins can be extended to include all susano weapons ,with the same way kakashi can merge kamui not just with Raikeri but with all lightning based techs, how the thing, kakashi merges kamui with ,looks ,doesnt matter when it is literally the same thing (lightning chakra)
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[Eng nawashi]

Has Rikudo chakra as well and far superior Doujutsu

Having far superior doujutsu is irrelevant when the only thing Madara has that can make him compete and deal with kakashi's PS is his own PS

 

[Selan]

Assuming building chakra up for kamui is that long that Madara would feel it coming , and cover his PS with CT ,then what is next !!? Kakashi has now builded up the necessary chakra for his kamui and Madara is hiding behind his CT ,what is next!?? kakashi can just ignore him ,finish his team ,then wait till Madara shows up again Lol,or he can just destroy madara CT ,then rip his PS neck off .
My point is that kakashi won't necessarily use his kamui once he builds up chakra ,he can build up the chakra ,then uses kamui whenever he feels like to ,like using kamui on Madara's PS while their susanos in CQC ,hiding behind CT isn't a valid counter .
Not to mention that building up chakra for kamui isn't that long considering kakashi's feat in warping hachibi in and out and ripping the gedu's arm ,ofc Madara's PS dwarfs hachibi and Gedu but kakashi just needs to rip its neck off


I didn't say he can merge kamui with all his techs .
DB says kakashi can add kamui power to Susano 's weapons ,it didn't specify the shurkins ,meaning kakashi adding kamui power to susano shurukins can be extended to include all susano weapons ,with the same way kakashi can merge kamui not just with Raikeri but with all lightning based techs, how the thing, kakashi merges kamui with ,looks ,doesnt matter when it is literally the same thing (lightning chakra)
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There's no chakra build up for Kamui once Kakashi mastered it. Just think how quickly he used it on the Gedo Mazo, on Minato's Rasengan kicked back by Juubi Madara, or Naruto's clone in front of Obito, on Naruto's Rasengan when Naruto and Obito were dashing one against another, on surprise Susanoo arrows and so on.

And DMS Rikudo Kakashi's Kamui outspeeds Kaguya's Yomotsu Hirasaka:

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The same S/T jutsu that was too fast for Rikudo Rinnegan Sasuke:

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Sasuke is someone who is praised for his speed by Juubi Madara, who is someone who blitzes SM enhanced Minato like nothing; Sasuke is someone fast enough to casually react to Rinbo.

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Having far superior doujutsu is irrelevant when the only thing Madara has that can make him compete and deal with kakashi's PS is his own PS

Yeah and a PS that can be used in combo with Kamui powers > another PS. Raw power is useless against Kamui. Add in long range Kamui snipe, Kamui self warping for surprise attacks from the back and for mobility all around, Kamui phasing to dodge everything, Kamui Raikiri blitzes and Kakashi's smartness and speed above Madara's...