Is 'positive' discrimination becoming socially acceptable now?

[oShux]

Because Americans are the only ones in charge of words for the entire planet. Makes sense.

You should take a sociology class. Like I said in the very beginning. The word has many definitions.

Ideological: racism is manifest in world views, beliefs and common sense ways of thinking that are premised on essentialist notions of racial categories, and the idea that white or light skinned people are superior, in a variety of ways, to dark skinned people. Historically, ideological racism supported and justified the building of European colonial empires and U.S. imperialism through unjust acquisition of land, people, and resources around the world. Today, some common ideological forms of racism include the belief that black women are sexually promiscuous, that Latina women are “fiery” or “hot tempered,” and that black men and boys are criminally oriented.

Discursive: racism is often expressed linguistically, in the discourse we use to talk about the world and people in it, and manifests in racial slurs and hate speech, and in code words that have racialized meanings embedded in them, like “ghetto,” “thug,” or “gansta.”

Interactional: racism takes an interactional form such as a white woman crossing a street to avoid walking past a black or Latino man, a person of color being verbally or physically assaulted because of their race, or when, someone assumes a person of color working at an establishment to be a low-level employee, though they might be a manager, executive, or owner.

Institutional: racism can take institutional form in the way policies and laws are crafted and put into practice, such as the decades-long set of policing and legal policies known as “The War on Drugs,” which has disproportionately targeted neighborhoods and communities that are composed predominantly of people of color, New York City’s Stop-N-Frisk policy that overwhelmingly targets black and Latino males, and educational tracking policies that funnel children of color into remedial classes and trades programs.

Structural: racism takes structural form in the ongoing, historical, and longterm reproduction of the racialized structure of our society through a combination of all of the above forms. Structural racism manifests in widespread racial segregation and stratification, recurrent displacement of people of color from neighborhoods that go through processes of gentrification, and the overwhelming burden of environmental pollution born by people of color given its proximity to their communities.

Systemic: racism within the U.S. can be described as systemic because the country was founded on racist beliefs with racist policies and practices, and because that legacy lives today in the racism that courses throughout the entirety of our social system.


If you're white and you haven't gone through any of this^ It's not racism it's discrimination.

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[Punk Hazard]

You should take a sociology class. Like I said in the very beginning. The word has many definitions.

Ideological: racism is manifest in world views, beliefs and common sense ways of thinking that are premised on essentialist notions of racial categories, and the idea that white or light skinned people are superior, in a variety of ways, to dark skinned people. Historically, ideological racism supported and justified the building of European colonial empires and U.S. imperialism through unjust acquisition of land, people, and resources around the world. Today, some common ideological forms of racism include the belief that black women are sexually promiscuous, that Latina women are “fiery” or “hot tempered,” and that black men and boys are criminally oriented.

Discursive: racism is often expressed linguistically, in the discourse we use to talk about the world and people in it, and manifests in racial slurs and hate speech, and in code words that have racialized meanings embedded in them, like “ghetto,” “thug,” or “gansta.”

Interactional: racism takes an interactional form such as a white woman crossing a street to avoid walking past a black or Latino man, a person of color being verbally or physically assaulted because of their race, or when, someone assumes a person of color working at an establishment to be a low-level employee, though they might be a manager, executive, or owner.

Institutional: racism can take institutional form in the way policies and laws are crafted and put into practice, such as the decades-long set of policing and legal policies known as “The War on Drugs,” which has disproportionately targeted neighborhoods and communities that are composed predominantly of people of color, New York City’s Stop-N-Frisk policy that overwhelmingly targets black and Latino males, and educational tracking policies that funnel children of color into remedial classes and trades programs.

Structural: racism takes structural form in the ongoing, historical, and longterm reproduction of the racialized structure of our society through a combination of all of the above forms. Structural racism manifests in widespread racial segregation and stratification, recurrent displacement of people of color from neighborhoods that go through processes of gentrification, and the overwhelming burden of environmental pollution born by people of color given its proximity to their communities.

Systemic: racism within the U.S. can be described as systemic because the country was founded on racist beliefs with racist policies and practices, and because that legacy lives today in the racism that courses throughout the entirety of our social system.


If you're white and you haven't gone through any of this^ It's not racism it's discrimination.

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No, if you haven't gone through that, you haven't gone through the extremes of racism. You're listing examples of racism, not everything racism is. Racism can be social, or institutional, or systematic.

 

[oShux]

No, if you haven't gone through that, you haven't gone through the extremes of racism. You're listing examples of racism, not everything racism is. Racism can be social, or institutional, or systematic.

Then white people have nothing to complain about, you guys love telling others to get over it whenever they complain about something. Well here's a black kid telling you the same. Get over yourself.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Then white people have nothing to complain about, you guys love telling others to get over it whenever they complain about something. Well here's a black kid telling you the same. Get over yourself.

"You guys?"
"Get over yourself"
Uhh *looks around* who you talking to?

Anyways, no, that's not how it works. If you want racism to go away, if you want to combat racism, you don't pick and choose which forms are convenient for you. You combat it all.

 

[oShux]

"You guys?"
"Get over yourself"
Uhh *looks around* who you talking to?

Anyways, no, that's not how it works. If you want racism to go away, if you want to combat racism, you don't pick and choose which forms are convenient for you. You combat it all.

Every single white person who feels a though they're suffering from racism. Haven't even felt the tip of the iceberg yet. And you do combat it all, but you can't do it all at once. Pick them off one at a time. And deal with the ones that should've been dealt with a long time ago.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Every single white person who feels a though they're suffering from racism. Haven't even felt the tip of the iceberg yet. And you do combat it all, but you can't do it all at once. Pick them off one at a time. And deal with the ones that should've been dealt with a long time ago.

Who said anything about suffering?

Says who? Maybe you can't focus on and combat more than one at once, but speak for yourself and your own incapabilities.

Also, lol @ the fact that you think I'm white.

 

[Stant]

there is such a thing called "progressive discrimination", thats the most terrific thing about the human race.

 

[oShux]

Who said anything about suffering?

Says who? Maybe you can't focus on and combat more than one at once, but speak for yourself and your own incapabilities.

Also, lol @ the fact that you think I'm white.

I know you're black. Don't you make rap music or something? And hey I'm only human and if you're able to handle them all at once what's stopping you?

 

[Bronze]

White people are viewed as more racist than others, well, if you look at periods of history, majority of discrimination were by white people. Though this is not to say it's right; you can't blame all of ethnic group for the action of a few. But let me tell you something: During colonisation age, indigenous inhabitants of Americas and Australia were enslaved by European imperialists. Africans were traded for slave labour and as such. We can see the atrocities committed in colonisation and that the white countries had done most of it.

The reason why whites are targeted for racism, simply because of their violent history. If you come from a country that had been oppressed and your ancestors faced brutality, you more or less react the same way blacks, for example, would. You don't need to be a slave or lived at slavery to know what it's like, as Riker Slade here is saying; there is a sense of logic and feeling.

 

[Troyg39]

Everybody wants to be a victim of racism now. Racism is when you create a hierarchy, basing the superiority of your race over others due to human elements that you only attribute to all members of their race that can be found in any.

While I get where you're coming from, everything that's racism in your head isn't racism. A lot of what you spoke was prejudice, hypocritical, and involved quite a bit of double-standard, but it's not racism. There are way too many, black, white and beyond, that use that word like it's the new slang.

There are people who go nuts when they see a white person doing anything they perceive negative to a person of a different race, especially if that person is black, but it works both ways and in many different forms. At the end of the day those people, though wrong, are simply speaking from their view of the outside world, and it isn't always pretty, so it doesn't always come out that way.

You did the same thing with your "quotas and tokenism" comment. From your perspective, it gives "special treatment" to particular groups, implying that things would be more fair without it, but that comes from your view of what you feel quotas and tokenism is. Someone taking a different approach may point out that a quota system, both in it's nature and historically, is a limit. It's used to limit the target of the quota in relation to those not subject to it. Has been historically and over many different scenarios.

Affirmative action, for example sets a goal for (insert minority). Once that goal is reached, there is no longer any incentive to bring in any more (insert minority). And historically, they don't get brought in. Blacks have certainly gained, quadrupling their admission rates, (whites have tripled) yet were still not balanced, despite this idea that the world is "equal" now. The reason being, once the quotas, or "cap" is met, the status quo returns, one of the reasons (not the only reason) that white women have benefited more from the policies than anyone (won't get into detail on that).

In a world where being black, unemployed and uneducated is a pretty common stereotype, it's kind of weird to think there's anything "special" (at least in a good way) about having to compete against your race for a relatively small portion of employment or admission reserved, only to still be disproportionate to a larger pool, and especially when history shows that you wouldn't even have the tiny spot you do get consideration for (because the "fairness" that we now have would suddenly make everything balanced right?) thus making you another black, unemployed, and uneducated member of society and contributor of the stereotype that those same people, and others, will gladly remind you of.

There are people who would call you racist for that. But you're not racist. You're speaking from a perspective of inferiority. Not that you feel inferior to anyone, but you notice an unfairness towards people of "pale skin tones" as you put it, and you're speaking out against it. No, it may not always come out right, and may seem a little short-sided and downright hypocritical, but hardly racist. I agree with you wholeheartedly man. We're all capable of it. Try not to take it too personally. No it's not "acceptable" to target anyone with bigotry and racism. But it's not cool to respond with the same thing either. Nor is it cool to mislabel them.


And to the guy that said something about saying "white people can't face racism" is racist, stop. "Can't face racism" isn't a trait for starters, and I don't think people who have that viewpoint feel "superior" to white people because of it (kind of the opposite don't you think?) That's like saying you're racist if you say "white man can't jump" or "black people can't swim". Actually, it's a little better, as not being able to jump or swim sounds a lot worse than being immune to racial discrimination. (I'd take the latter any day) A little prejudice? Maybe. Incorrect? Certainly. Racist? No. Chill. Relax a little.

 

[Bored38]

oshux, you need alittle more diversity in your research bud. It wasnt just tribal enemies. Yes there were some but like every other ethnic group, yours committed crimes against other human beings for profit. Deal with it.

 

[Gerkak]

Jews back then weren't white though

Indeed they weren't

 

[Avani 👑]

White people are viewed as more racist than others, well, if you look at periods of history, majority of discrimination were by white people. Though this is not to say it's right; you can't blame all of ethnic group for the action of a few. But let me tell you something: During colonisation age, indigenous inhabitants of Americas and Australia were enslaved by European imperialists. Africans were traded for slave labour and as such. We can see the atrocities committed in colonisation and that the white countries had done most of it.

The reason why whites are targeted for racism, simply because of their violent history. If you come from a country that had been oppressed and your ancestors faced brutality, you more or less react the same way blacks, for example, would. You don't need to be a slave or lived at slavery to know what it's like, as Riker Slade here is saying; there is a sense of logic and feeling.

The whites weren't the only ones fond of slaves and involved in slave trades ..Turks and other Middle Eastern countries have been engaging in this activity during their conquests/colonization rules too.

And yes this is not something that gets our of system that easily and that fast.

 

[Bronze]

The whites weren't the only ones fond of slaves and involved in slave trades ..Turks and other Middle Eastern countries have been engaging in this activity during their conquests/colonization rules too.

That's true, but Europeans had enslaved and traded on a far greater scale and were treating slaves poorer than Middle Easterns did. Not only blacks but indigenous people as well.

 

[Avani 👑]

That's true, but Europeans had enslaved and traded on a far greater scale and were treating slaves poorer than Middle Easterns did. Not only blacks but indigenous people as well.

And Arabs/Turks weren't?

Fatawa-i Alamgiri
Main article: Fatawa-e-Alamgiri

The Fatawa-e-Alamgiri (also known as the Fatawa-i-Hindiya and Fatawa-i Hindiyya) was sponsored by Aurangzeb in the late 17th century.[57] It compiled the law for the Mughal Empire, and involved years of effort by 500 Muslim scholars from South Asia, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. The thirty volumes on Hanafi-based sharia law for the Empire was influential during and after Auruangzeb's rule, and it included many chapters and laws on slavery and slaves in India.[58][59][60]

Some of the slavery-related law included in Fatawa-i Alamgiri were,

the right of Muslims to purchase and own slaves,[61]
a Muslim man's right to have *** with a captive slave girl he owns or a slave girl owned by another Muslim (with master's consent) without marrying her,[62]
a Muslim master's right to acknowledge or decline recognition of children born to slave girls he "had *** with" - a recognition that affected whether the slave's children would have any inheritance, the inability of infidels (non-Muslims) to inherit,[63]
no inheritance rights for slaves,[64]
the testimony of all slaves was inadmissible in a court of law[65]
slaves require permission of the master before they can marry,[66]
an unmarried Muslim may marry a slave girl he owns but a Muslim married to a Muslim woman may not marry a slave girl,[67]
conditions under which the slaves may be emancipated partially or fully[68]

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I don't know how it was in Arab countries but history says many thousands were taken from India alone and sold all over. Dutch Portuguese etc joined them in 17 century here but Middle eastern countries had been on it in Asia since 8th century.

All the important posts in Delhi were reserved for Muslims of Middle eastern origin for many centuries before Mughals took over and started to free themselves from their influence a bit.

Even now the behavior towards South Asian or South East Asian maids in some middle eastern countries reminds that it's not been that long since slavery was abolished there.

 

[Bronze]

And Arabs weren't?

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I don't know how it was in Arab countries but history says many thousands were taken from India alone and sold all over. Dutch Portuguese etc joined them in 17 century here but Arabs had been on it in Asia since 8th century.

I never said Arabs didn't slave people, I was saying that the scale of slavery in the Middle East was lower than that in European colonisation, and slaves in Middle East were treated better. Read slavery in the Ottoman Empire -

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- there were certain codes to be followed. No such codes existed during European imperialism.

Also, in regards to slavery in India; you know that slavery in India was practised in ancient times and even today? Nice of you to stereotype.

 

[oShux]

oshux, you need alittle more diversity in your research bud. It wasnt just tribal enemies. Yes there were some but like every other ethnic group, yours committed crimes against other human beings for profit. Deal with it.

Read my other posts. I already answered your question

 

[Multiply]

Everybody wants to be a victim of racism now. Racism is when you create a hierarchy, basing the superiority of your race over others due to human elements that you only attribute to all members of their race that can be found in any.

While I get where you're coming from, everything that's racism in your head isn't racism. A lot of what you spoke was prejudice, hypocritical, and involved quite a bit of double-standard, but it's not racism. There are way too many, black, white and beyond, that use that word like it's the new slang.

There are people who go nuts when they see a white person doing anything they perceive negative to a person of a different race, especially if that person is black, but it works both ways and in many different forms. At the end of the day those people, though wrong, are simply speaking from their view of the outside world, and it isn't always pretty, so it doesn't always come out that way.

You did the same thing with your "quotas and tokenism" comment. From your perspective, it gives "special treatment" to particular groups, implying that things would be more fair without it, but that comes from your view of what you feel quotas and tokenism is. Someone taking a different approach may point out that a quota system, both in it's nature and historically, is a limit. It's used to limit the target of the quota in relation to those not subject to it. Has been historically and over many different scenarios.

Affirmative action, for example sets a goal for (insert minority). Once that goal is reached, there is no longer any incentive to bring in any more (insert minority). And historically, they don't get brought in. Blacks have certainly gained, quadrupling their admission rates, (whites have tripled) yet were still not balanced, despite this idea that the world is "equal" now. The reason being, once the quotas, or "cap" is met, the status quo returns, one of the reasons (not the only reason) that white women have benefited more from the policies than anyone (won't get into detail on that).

In a world where being black, unemployed and uneducated is a pretty common stereotype, it's kind of weird to think there's anything "special" (at least in a good way) about having to compete against your race for a relatively small portion of employment or admission reserved, only to still be disproportionate to a larger pool, and especially when history shows that you wouldn't even have the tiny spot you do get consideration for (because the "fairness" that we now have would suddenly make everything balanced right?) thus making you another black, unemployed, and uneducated member of society and contributor of the stereotype that those same people, and others, will gladly remind you of.

There are people who would call you racist for that. But you're not racist. You're speaking from a perspective of inferiority. Not that you feel inferior to anyone, but you notice an unfairness towards people of "pale skin tones" as you put it, and you're speaking out against it. No, it may not always come out right, and may seem a little short-sided and downright hypocritical, but hardly racist. I agree with you wholeheartedly man. We're all capable of it. Try not to take it too personally. No it's not "acceptable" to target anyone with bigotry and racism. But it's not cool to respond with the same thing either. Nor is it cool to mislabel them.


And to the guy that said something about saying "white people can't face racism" is racist, stop. "Can't face racism" isn't a trait for starters, and I don't think people who have that viewpoint feel "superior" to white people because of it (kind of the opposite don't you think?) That's like saying you're racist if you say "white man can't jump" or "black people can't swim". Actually, it's a little better, as not being able to jump or swim sounds a lot worse than being immune to racial discrimination. (I'd take the latter any day) A little prejudice? Maybe. Incorrect? Certainly. Racist? No. Chill. Relax a little.

Troyg always dropping some knowledge. You a real one fam.

 

[Dantee]

Oh please!Whites are the only ones that can be racist?

Bullshit!Any ethnic group can be racist if they want to be,and no whites do not have it easier.In fact being a white male in the 'progressive' world is quickly becoming the equivalent to being a black man in the Jim Crow South.

And I'm bi racial,since some people think I'm fully white and therefore bear some responsibility for something that happened before I was born.


I don't,and neither should anyone else who did'nt own slaves or were racist.
But I do think it's telling that those who suffer from 'White Guilt' tend to be racist themselves though.

I dont think only whites are racist far from it my friend. I'm just giving you my perspective on the subject and this is a similar mindset of those you might find racist of whites. BTw im not racist, I was just being raw so sorry if my tone sounded bad.

 

[Dantee]

I hate it when white people say "Slavery is not a valid excuse for the state Black America is in today" As if slavery isn't the reason why White America is in its current state.

Facts..