[Discussion] Yonkos and Admirals are equal. PK level does not exist.

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He beat Akainu while a hole in his chest. He snuck up on him but still got wrecked after.
He didn't "beat" Akainu. He blew a hole in the ground and Akainu fell in. Beating someone is what Aokiji did to Jozu, or what Luffy did to Coby.

Also, the person who gets half their face blown off and weakened to the point where a bunch of rookies can kill him with gunshots is far from being the person who's wrecking.
 

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He was said to be that always and it even says in the manga if you ever want to have a one on one ur pick should be Kaido. His hype is beyond any admiral.
@bold, nowhere in the scan you provided does it say he was the strongest creature during the time Whitebeard was alive. Because if that was the case, there wouldn't be any need for the "world's strongest man".

Right there we kno he is above akainu etc.
Yes he is most likely above Akainu and etc, but that doesn't mean the other 2 yonko are above them.


He doesn't put akainu on the same breath shanks was hyped by wb himself and Oda made it clear with the clash. Ofc a two year doesn't know what it means but it's an exaggeration but when I was a young kid I can easily tell hype when I saw it
Shanks = made an equal clash with WB of swords.
Akainu = Made an equal clash with Whitebeard's punch during their first confrontation at Marineford.


Shanks = split up the clouds, because him and whitebeard have King's Haki.
Akainu = Didn't have a major "Explosion" or w.e you wanna call it, because no King's Haki was used.

Dude BB always get hit by everyone u get that right he always gets wrecked like with ace in the beginning, then Magellan and even luffy b4 got a hit on him. Sengoku is much weaker than his prime that is obvious.
How is it obvious, when him and Garp were treated as the top 2 Marines in that entire war. Being the last 2 people someone would have to go through to get Ace?

Dude Vergo is not a top tier and he is a double agent working for doffy not really a legit marine. Kaido has a whole df army and ppl like yonkos have multiple allies and the world.
Vergo did what the Marines told him to do, him being a double agent has jackshit to do with anything. If ****ing Sengoku or Admirals told his ass to come to Marineford he would've had to come to marineford, unless he wanted to be kicked out, and **** up his "double agent". And being a "double agent" doesn't = not being a marine.

Kaido has an army of DF users, who are how strong? You don't know. Hell they might only be strong as the guardians from albasta..

Yonko might have multiple allies, the WG has 70+ countries under them and some strong allies like the emergence of people like Fujitora out of nowhere.

Dude countries aren't ruled by marines and they don't send armies to support them they are already fighting revolutionaries they have better things to do, marines are countries are not the same its like saying since US is allies with China they can use Chinese forces wherever they want, plus in this case they have their own enemies called revolutionaries.
Countries do not need to be ruled by the marines for them to come help them. But they are under the world government, just like Fishmen island wasn't "ruled" by whitebeard, but was under Whitebeard.

@Bold, so show me a scan where Albasta ( a country under the WG) is fighting against Dragon's army.

@underline, Yet the only reason Whitebeard stood a decent chance is because of his "allies". But Marines can't use their allies right? rofl.



And u always forget one main thing they use pirates to fight against a yonko if they were Stronger why would they have schibukai.
To scare people from becoming new pirates. the Warlords are privateers, they have approval by the WG to hunt down pirates if they wish.

No look at the manga again doffy and Fuji both clashed and said we will fight after everything is done and doffy was not scared but confident. But he was shit scared and got mad when he was thinking of a possibility of fighting against Kaido the guy is deemed unkillable his hype Is greater than any admiral.
Why didn't you just post the page? The dude knew not to lift a finger against Aokiji.

Unkillable =/= unbeaten.


Notice, that no admiral has been "scared" of a Yonko.
 

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Actually, Kaido being WSC during WB's time as WSM wouldn't make the title of WSM unneeded. WSC would be to WSM what WSM is to WSS.
Issue : WSM /WSC refer to the strongest alive.

Plus, can't just be mere coincidence that he was introduced with that title, after Whitebeard's death.


WSS simply refers to the best swordsman alive (swordsman isn't something that everyone is).
 

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Oh my Go-

It's the fact that it separates strongest by category, but one can above the other.
Holy SHI-

I'm simply telling you that using the "WSS" a title that would only be comparable to lets say "the world's strongest devil fruit user", is not the same as having World's strongest man and world's strongest creature at the sametime, these 2 are titles used to define the strongest living known person.

Kaido is a man.

Whitebeard is a man.

They are both "creatures". Hence having those the WSC along with WSM would mean the WSM isn't needed, when the person holding the WSC is a man.
 

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Holy SHI-

I'm simply telling you that using the "WSS" a title that would only be comparable to lets say "the world's strongest devil fruit user", is not the same as having World's strongest man and world's strongest creature at the sametime, these 2 are titles used to define the strongest living known person.
And WSS denote the strongest living known swordsman.
 

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And WSS denote the strongest living known swordsman.
yes, and people such as Akainu/Aokiji/Kizaru/Garp/Luffy/Sanji list keeps going.. aren't swordsman, and hence don't fall under the category.

Whitebeard wasn't a swordsman. But him being the WSM puts him above the WSS , as WSS is simply a subcategory for the category of "man". (if we are using "man" as a category).
 

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yes, and people such as Akainu/Aokiji/Kizaru/Garp/Luffy/Sanji list keeps going.. aren't swordsman, and hence don't fall under the category.

Whitebeard wasn't a swordsman. But him being the WSM puts him above the WSS , as WSS is simply a subcategory for the category of "man". (if we are using "man" as a category).
Hence why I said it divides them by category. It just gets more inclusive as you go down each one. They're the same in principle, which is what I've been saying: The strongest of a category. How exclusive each category is doesn't change that.
 

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Hence why I said it divides them by category. It just gets more inclusive as you go down each one. They're the same in principle, which is what I've been saying: The strongest of a category. How exclusive each category is doesn't change that.
Yea but bro I'm saying that WSC is the same WSM. As both are creatures and both are men. So if you have 2 of them together, who is the strongest alive, WSC or WSM?

That was pretty much why I think it wouldn't make sense for them to exist together, hence why they were introduced at 2 different times.
 

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Yea but bro I'm saying that WSC is the same WSM. As both are creatures and both are men. So if you have 2 of them together, who is the strongest alive, WSC or WSM?

That was pretty much why I think it wouldn't make sense for them to exist together, hence why they were introduced at 2 different times.
IDK. I have a feeling WSM doesn't include giants and fishmen and Minks. I mean, I doubt that's the case, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it was.
 

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IDK. I have a feeling WSM doesn't include giants and fishmen and Minks. I mean, I doubt that's the case, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it was.
ahhhh if that is the case, then I guess they can co-exist together. But him being introduced as the strongest after whitebeard's death makes me doubt that'd be the case.

But I see your point.
 

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He didn't "beat" Akainu. He blew a hole in the ground and Akainu fell in. Beating someone is what Aokiji did to Jozu, or what Luffy did to Coby.

Also, the person who gets half their face blown off and weakened to the point where a bunch of rookies can kill him with gunshots is far from being the person who's wrecking.
He beat Akainu he nearly passed out from his injuries and was unable to fight on for the time being. And yes lets act like the half blown off face was the only injury that contributed to WB's bad state....
 

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He beat Akainu he nearly passed out from his injuries and was unable to fight on for the time being. And yes lets act like the half blown off face was the only injury that contributed to WB's bad state....
No, Akainu didn't. Akainu was fully capable of moving and fighting, seeing as he fell into a crevice that had water at the bottom. If Akainu was passing out and unable to move and fight, he would have fallen into the water instead of being able to melt into the ground. Akainu was fully capable of fighting, he was just preoccupied by melting through the ground
 

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Nope.

Only 4 Yonko Fleets wouldn't have 'only'. That would be more than Shichibukai forces. Plus Yonko's fleets are big, Wb had 16.017 pirates and Kaido has over 500.

That would most likely be more than Marine HQ (FA + Admirals + some VAs)
Interpretation. When you realize that Shichibukai can have up to seven and MF has countless fleets, yeah, only four makes sense. It's all relative.
 

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@bold, nowhere in the scan you provided does it say he was the strongest creature during the time Whitebeard was alive. Because if that was the case, there wouldn't be any need for the "world's strongest man".


Yes he is most likely above Akainu and etc, but that doesn't mean the other 2 yonko are above them.



Shanks = made an equal clash with WB of swords.
Akainu = Made an equal clash with Whitebeard's punch during their first confrontation at Marineford.


Shanks = split up the clouds, because him and whitebeard have King's Haki.
Akainu = Didn't have a major "Explosion" or w.e you wanna call it, because no King's Haki was used.


How is it obvious, when him and Garp were treated as the top 2 Marines in that entire war. Being the last 2 people someone would have to go through to get Ace?


Vergo did what the Marines told him to do, him being a double agent has jackshit to do with anything. If ****ing Sengoku or Admirals told his ass to come to Marineford he would've had to come to marineford, unless he wanted to be kicked out, and **** up his "double agent". And being a "double agent" doesn't = not being a marine.

Kaido has an army of DF users, who are how strong? You don't know. Hell they might only be strong as the guardians from albasta..

Yonko might have multiple allies, the WG has 70+ countries under them and some strong allies like the emergence of people like Fujitora out of nowhere.



Countries do not need to be ruled by the marines for them to come help them. But they are under the world government, just like Fishmen island wasn't "ruled" by whitebeard, but was under Whitebeard.

@Bold, so show me a scan where Albasta ( a country under the WG) is fighting against Dragon's army.

@underline, Yet the only reason Whitebeard stood a decent chance is because of his "allies". But Marines can't use their allies right? rofl.




To scare people from becoming new pirates. the Warlords are privateers, they have approval by the WG to hunt down pirates if they wish.


Why didn't you just post the page? The dude knew not to lift a finger against Aokiji.

Unkillable =/= unbeaten.


Notice, that no admiral has been "scared" of a Yonko.
dude if wb was equal to akainu he wouldnt get put to the floor by a nearly dead one. oda made it clear wb was superior. shanks was put in the same breath with all that hype again, any kid can see this.

WSC>WSM WSC means all creatures including men, is english not your strong suit?

if kaido and wb are better than akainu shanks who was portayed on his level right there u get 3 yonko at least two for certain better than all admirals. so why are the same level again especially when fujitora is quite below akainu.

garp was the one at the throne not sengoku, he is old and is weaker than prime, when u cant solo pre ts luffy with ur DF its not looking too good.

vergo is not top tier he is not making a difference pirate allies have many ppl as strong as him, only top tier or close to top tier make a difference, ppl like doffy, fujitora, ben beckham, marco etc. the rest usually cancel each other out since there are a ton of ppl on both sides with quite some potential

lol at ur thinking its obvious countries are fighting their own war, revs are a force directly liberating corrupt countries, read it in the manga or go to wiki its all there. albasta is evil in your eyes? no they dont need a revolutionary.

so why didn't WB or WG use those forces cuz they aren't armies they can control. go make a thread on this and you will come to realize each country has its own problems or wars especially with revs they aren't owned by WG or even obligated to join them. similar to how any yonko cant expect 100% cooperation from ppl in the territories.

why are u explaining what warlords are i kno that already but my point is that WG goes as far as needing their power to equal yonko. this anime is mainly revolved around strong ppl doffy, weevil, boa and mihawk are quite strong and give marines an equalizer to yonkos.

admirals are really strong and can hold a high diff battle against them so yea they wont shit their pants, and again you dont see them talking about them too often to even see any reactions like that. and no one said kaido is unbeatable he is just hyped way more than any admiral and so is WB and same with shanks.
 
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