Double standard in interracial relationships

[Jazzy Stardust]

Ho? What about the albino man I posted? What I am trying to say is that the term 'black' features is too generalized mostly people who aren't black believe that the more 'black' one is the more Congo-like they look if I may use the term, truth is this isn't the case African's with such features are the minority on the continent. Non African's view Africans with different features as having been inbred with other races sometime in the past an example being Somalians.

Please don't misunderstand I never said having different features was bad in any way

No it's just the general perception of race. That pictures weight is only carried by if you either have never been to Africa, or didn't know there are Africans whose ancestors come from Caucasian decent.

While albinism is different because skin doesn't define race. For instance, a very crude instance but relevant. Look at these two pictures, you can still tell he came from Caucasian decent.

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Basically what I'm saying is albinism wouldn't solve racism. Prime example, Nazi's.

 

[Melanin]

My parents made me watch this to further my knowledge of the development of race relations and the black experience.

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Read the Plot..

The movie is set in the Deep South of the United States prior to the American Civil War. Falconhurst is a run-down plantation owned by widower Warren Maxwell (James Mason) and largely run by his son, Hammond (Perry King). Hammond and a friend go to a brothel where both men choose to have *** with virgin black women. Hammond chooses Ellen (Brenda Sykes). Hammond and Ellen watch as Hammond's friend abuses and rapes his choice, claiming that she likes it. Hammond asks Ellen if this is true, and she says no. Hammond then gently has sexual intercourse with Ellen.

Warren Maxwell pressures him to marry, so Hammond chooses Blanche (Susan George). A social climber and sexually promiscuous, Blanche had been having an affair with her cousin. On their wedding night, Blanche's sexual skill and enjoyment of recreational *** convinces Hammond that she is not a virgin—a claim Blanche denies. Hammond returns to the brothel and purchases Ellen as his slave. Hammond makes Ellen a house slave and takes her on trips with him. He also has sexual relations with Ellen, and in time comes to care for her.

Meanwhile, Hammond purchases a Mandingo slave named Ganymede (Ken Norton). Nicknamed "Mede", the slave works for Hammond as a prize-fighter. He's forced to soak in a large cauldron of very hot water to toughen his skin. Hammond also breeds Mede with female slaves on his plantation. Hammond makes a great deal of money betting on Mede's fights, while Mede fathers many healthy babies with the slave women with whom he is told to have ***.

Rejected by Hammond, Blanche becomes a slovenly alcoholic who does nothing all day long. While Hammond is on a business trip alone, Blanche discovers Ellen is pregnant. Correctly assuming the baby is Hammond's, Blanche beats Ellen. Ellen flees, falls down some stairs, and miscarries. Hammond (who had promised Ellen that her baby would be freed), returns to Falconhurst and discovers Ellen lost the baby. Ellen does not tell him how she miscarried, fearful that she will be beaten again by Blanche if she tells Hammond about her beating and fall. A grieving Hammond gives Ellen a pair of ruby and diamond earrings, which she wears while serving an evening meal. Hammond gave the matching necklace to Blanche, who becomes enraged to find Ellen publicly favored by Hammond.

Hammond leaves on another business trip alone. A drunken Blanche demands that Mede come to her bedroom. Although the other slaves attempt to stop him, Mede does as he is ordered. Blanche demands that Mede have *** with her, but he refuses. Blanche then says she will accuse Mede of rape if he does not have *** with her, so he spends the night having *** with her. Blanche's sexuality is reawakened by Mede, whom she finds exceptionally well-endowed, and she has *** with him several more times.

Hammond returns to the plantation. A great deal of time has passed since Hammond and Blanche's marriage, and Warren Maxwell is eager for a grandchild. Sensing that the marriage is troubled, Warren locks Hammond and Blanche in a room together and refuses to let them out until they reconcile. They appear to do so. A short time later, Blanche announces she is pregnant, but when the baby is born, it is clear the child is a mulatto. To avoid a scandal, the child is killed on doctor's orders. Sickened at Blanche's sexual indiscretion, Hammond asks the doctor if he has the poison he uses on old slaves and horses. He pours the poison into a toddy for Blanche. An outraged Hammond seeks out Mede, intending to kill him. As Hammond attempts to force Mede into a boiling cauldron of water, Mede tries to tell him that Blanche blackmailed him into having ***. Hammond shoots Mede twice with a shotgun and the second hit throws Mede into the boiling cauldron of water. Hammond uses a pitchfork to drown Mede. In a fit of fury, one of Warren's slaves picks up the shotgun and aims it at Hammond. When Warren calls him a "crazy ******" and demands that he put the gun down, the slave aims at, shoots, and kills Warren. As the man runs away, Hammond kneels helpless next to Warren's lifeless body.

 

[Gerkak]

No it's just the general perception of race. That pictures weight is only carried by if you either have never been to Africa, or didn't know there are Africans whose ancestors comes from European decent.

While albinism is different because skin doesn't define race. For instance, a very crude instance but relevant. Look at these two pictures, you can still tell he came from Caucasian decent.

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Basically what I'm saying is albinism wouldn't solve racism. Prime example, Nazi's.

I am African although I live in the UK, I have been and lived in Africa for many years. That man like many others has no significant Caucasian DNA. The only thing he shares with them is the albino gene.

There is an entire study related to this, you are just basing this on appearance and your expectations on what some one who is 'black' should look like. The same can be seen in Rwanda with the tutsi, the racist belgians favored them over the hootu majority because they believed the tutsi ha more "European features" whatever that means smh

Another example. You can clearly tell this is a black child.

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Tht's just based on you, African's with more of those features are the minority, unless you are trying to say that most African's are inbred with Europeans you have no case

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

I am African although I live in the UK, I have been and lived in Africa for many years. That man like many others has no significant Caucasian DNA. The only thing he shares with them is the albino gene.

There is an entire study related to this, you are just basing this on appearance and your expectations on what some one who is 'black' should look like. The same can be seen in Rwanda with the tutsi, the racist belgians favored them over the hootu majority because they believed the tutsi ha more "European features" whatever that means smh

He does, I see it clearly in his bone structure. Unless he somehow showed his DNA results compared to someone of true African decent.

It isn't different at all, all 'white' people have a variation of the albino gene in short their origin lies within albino's.

Also saying 'black' features is a generalization, there are many black people that don't look a thing like those children but are extremely dark

Another example. You can clearly tell this is a black child.

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In both, no matter the skin I can tell it's a black child.

 

[Gerkak]

He does, I see it clearly in his bone structure. Unless he somehow showed his DNA results compared to someone of true African decent.

Bone structure? Lmao.

My god the man's skull is a dolicocephalic human skull if you were to google the map of where has the highest concentration of that type of skull in the world you would find that it is in africa, specifically the area I specified west to senegal and east to somalia.

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Above is the map, broad heads are the Brachicocephalic skulls which are colored dark, make note of where they are found long heads which are colored bright like the man I showed are found all over African in fact they are the vast majority. Coincidentally this is my head shape, I have no White decent my family has records.

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This is the skull, long but narrow skull, high protruding forehead. I think you should understand now.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Bone structure? Lmao.

My god the man's skull is a dolicocephalic human skull if you were to google the map of where has the highest concentration of that type of skull in the world you would find that it is in africa, specifically the area I specified west to senegal and east to somalia.

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Above is the map, broad heads are the Brachicocephalic skulls which are colored dark, make note of where they are found long heads which are colored bright like the man I showed are found all over African in fact they are the vast majority. Coincidentally this is my head shape, I have no White decent my family has records.

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This is the skull, long but narrow skull, high protruding forehead. I think you should understand now.

Well maybe bone structure is the wrong word. Specifically the check bone/ eye area, nose, lips and chin, hair. Of course regarding skeletal frame it's consistent among humans for the most part. But I guess the way the tissue or muscle aligns with the bones? I can't explain that in depth without more research.

Tht's just based on you, African's with more of those features are the minority, unless you are trying to say that most African's are inbred with Europeans you have no case

No not really, I've seen people of all races. I can tell the characteristics though of my own people. I never said she was African, just that you can tell she came from African decent.

Which technically all people did, then it was diluted.

 

[Lance171]

Indeed, there is still much that needs to be uncovered

And also native Americans weren't just of asian decent, some were black. Early European depictions show this

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that's not true there were no African on the north or south American continent before Europeans brought them over as slaves. the first picture is just an early European describing uncivilized people. at the time they had seen Africans and compared to the natives as savages therefore creating the picture above. the second picture is just an old very tanned native American. considering there was no photography till the late 1800's and it wasn't widely used until the 1920's that picture isn't an accurate depiction of an native American that Columbus saw as he landed in the new world. runaway slaves would often flee to Indian tribes and would intermarry. I cant tell if he has African in him but more than likely he's just an older Indian who's very tan mixed with an old black and white picture making him appear black. the wide nose isn't just an African trait Asians and native American have wider noses than European and in fact Europeans and middle eastern are the only race with narrow noses.

 

[Gerkak]

No not really, I've seen people of all races. I can tell the characteristics though of my own people. I never said she was African, just that you can tell she came from African decent.

Which technically all people did, then it was diluted.

Yes but why believe she has more African decent then the man I posted? I already explained in post 25.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Yes but why believe she has more African decent then the man I posted? I already explained in post 25.

Our discussion posts overlapped, but I tried to explain it in post 26. But it's like general proportions of certain areas and features and how they correspond with the bone structure.

Like I'd have to do some heavy photo editing to point it out..not about that right now.

 

[Gerkak]

that's not true there were no African on the north or south American continent before Europeans brought them over as slaves. the first picture is just an early European describing uncivilized people. at the time they had seen Africans and compared to the natives as savages therefore creating the picture above. the second picture is just an old very tanned native American. considering there was no photography till the late 1800's and it wasn't widely used until the 1920's that picture isn't an accurate depiction of an native American that Columbus saw as he landed in the new world. runaway slaves would often flee to Indian tribes and would intermarry. I cant tell if he has African in him but more than likely he's just an older Indian who's very tan mixed with an old black and white picture making him appear black. the wide nose isn't just an African trait Asians and native American have wider noses than European and in fact Europeans and middle eastern are the only race with narrow noses.

@bold are you sure?

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Which one has a wider nose?

You assume this why did the Europeans only choose to depict the savages as African's when at the time they had already been to south East Asia, India etc? Why only choose African's?

Our discussion posts overlapped, but I tried to explain it in post 26.

Did you read post 25? Your bone structure argument has no foundation.

Well maybe bone structure is the wrong word. Specifically the check bone/ eye area, nose, lips and chin, hair. Of course regarding skeletal frame it's consistent among humans for the most part. But I guess the way the tissue or muscle aligns with the bones? I can't explain that in depth without more research.

Please research then. His hair also means nothing as I have said many African's millions of them in fact who have no European decent have those features. Bones determine how muscle fits. Chin is part of the skull and I have explained the skull type is rarer in Europe than in Africa so there really is no argument here. Skull isn't consistent in all humans if you think all humans have that skull shape think again, I can show you proof if you want.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Did you read post 25? Your bone structure argument has no foundation.

Yeah I did.

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

Well albinism is something different. You can be albino and still have black features, same for albino's of other races.

Yeah your right but later down the line it may change well not for her but descendants

Scientists say a lot of BS. There is no proof, if sun rays were the cause why are eskimo's dark? Where they live they get barely 2 months of sunlight.

The man is an albino and is Somalian, white supremacists love a particular kind of skull shape similar to the one the man has and they mostly attribute it to Caucasians, however there are millions of Africans with dolichocephalic head shapes. From senagal to somalia, coast to coast.



It isn't different at all, all 'white' people have a variation of the albino gene in short their origin lies within albino's.

Also saying 'black' features is a generalization, there are many black people that don't look a thing like those children but are extremely dark

Well Caucasians usually need sunscreen or they will blister,sun burn, or a catch skin cancer while Africans can take more vitamin D uv rays. Studies have been done about this already scientist are just trying to figure out how the original Africans were able to retain more Melanin than any other race.

Genetics can be the cause eksimos still have darkskin years of receiving UV rays can't be reversed so easily unless Albinism Science is simply the attempt to discover causal relationships within the universe. When X is increased upon the given system, Y behaves as thus

The skull shape your right about that i don't believe in saying black features i referee to it as African after doing some studies finding that many africans come in different shades that people wouldn't know.

These are twins with mixed parts genetics are absolute.

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[Jazzy Stardust]

The skull shape your right about that i don't believe in saying black features i referee to it as African after doing some studies finding that many africans come in different shades that people wouldn't know.

These are twins with mixed parts genetics are absolute.

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Beautiful example. From the same parents, twins in fact!! But you can see who got what features.

 

[Gerkak]

Well Caucasians usually need sunscreen or they will blister,sun burn, or a catch skin cancer while Africans can take more vitamin D uv rays. Studies have been done about this already scientist are just trying to figure out how the original Africans were able to retain more Melanin than any other race.

Genetics can be the cause eksimos still have darkskin years of receiving UV rays can't be reversed so easily unless Albinism Science is simply the attempt to discover causal relationships within the universe. When X is increased upon the given system, Y behaves as thus

The skull shape your right about that i don't believe in saying black features i referee to it as African after doing some studies finding that many africans come in different shades that people wouldn't know.

These are twins with mixed parts genetics are absolute.

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And here lies the problem, scientists have no idea how long it takes for a low melanin producing population change into a high melanin producing population and vice-versa. With this gap in knowledge in addition to not knowing why black people retain more melanin are they really in any position to make such assumptions as you previously posted? I don't think so, they don't have enough evidence. As a result of this lack of knowledge either can be true, either sun rays have nothing to do with permanent skin tone or it does.

I am glad you understand the skull shape thing.

Beautiful example. From the same parents, twins in fact!! But you can see who got what features.

You still don't understand do you? It all depends on how the parents look like. If assuming the mother looked like this

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They would look different(notice the skull shape). Again she has no European decent.

 

[Lance171]

@bold are you sure?

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Which one has a wider nose?

You assume this why did the Europeans only choose to depict the savages as African's when at the time they had already been to south East Asia, India etc? Why only choose African's?



Did you read post 25? Your bone structure argument has no foundation.



Please research then. His hair also means nothing as I have said many African's millions of them in fact who have no European decent have those features. Bones determine how muscle fits. Chin is part of the skull and I have explained the skull type is rarer in Europe than in Africa so there really is no argument here. Skull isn't consistent in all humans if you think all humans have that skull shape think again, I can show you proof if you want.

obviously its a generalization im done debating cause now your just reaching since your not up on your history, plus idk if you know this but your nose and ears are the only part of your bodies that continue to grow with age. and nowadays everyone's mixed with who knows what. btw do you know that most blacks in America have some European in them? unless there pitch black there is some European in them. "light skinned" isn't a new race that was discovered in a far away country that we finally found in 2015. am I debating with a 8th grader? consider this my lst comment on the subject. if you cant figure out that modern America is no place to judge race characteristics then your braindead everyone here are mutts.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

You still don't understand do you? It all depends on how the parents look like. If assuming the mother looked like this

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They would look different(notice the skull shape). Again she has no European decent.

No you're not understanding. And that's fine. That girl in the picture you posted has evident black features lol Look in the same areas I said earlier. I'm not saying all of her features are black, that's what you're taking wrong. I'd even go as far to as say she's Ethiopian decent exactly.

The reason I quoted that picture is because I can see African features in the whiter of the mixed twins and vice versa. But since I can't show it to you logically without a lot of work on my end I give up. But what I'm saying is correct.

 

[Gerkak]

obviously its a generalization im done debating cause now your just reaching since your not up on your history, plus idk if you know this but your nose and ears are the only part of your bodies that continue to grow with age. and nowadays everyone's mixed with who knows what. btw do you know that most blacks in America have some European in them? unless there pitch black there is some European in them. "light skinned" isn't a new race that was discovered in a far away country that we finally found in 2015. am I debating with a 8th grader?

Lol insulting my intelligence and education? This is what NDS is about.

You generalized by saying Caucasians and middle easterners had the most narrow noses, I could use a younger caucasian if you prefer. I am up to date on my history, I just find alternative sources instead of sticking to what I was taught in school. Yes and some europeans are mixed with blacks, asians and others. Everybody is mixed that isn't the point I was trying to make.

If you are reduced to throwing pitiful insults like this then you might as well be done debating since you lack the capacity to just prove me wrong, I reached for nothing throughout this discussion I have backed my posts with evidence I also asked you questions in my last reply to you but you couldn't just answer like an adult and chose to make a fool of yourself by throwing insults at me smh.

Not everybody has to agree with you get over it.

No you're not understanding. And that's fine. That girl in the picture you posted has evident black features lol Look in the same areas I said earlier. I'm not saying all of her features are black, that's what you're taking wrong. I'd even go as far to as say she's Ethiopian decent exactly.

The reason I quoted that picture is because I can see African features in the whiter of the mixed twins and vice versa. But since I can't show it to you logically without a lot of work on my end I give up. But what I'm saying is correct.

She is West African. Well you could be right I can't say my words and opinions are absolute, I could very well be wrong. Thanks for the response.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

She is West African. Well you could be right I can't say my words and opinions are absolute, I could very well be wrong. Thanks for the response.

Same to you man, and I got what you're trying to say. It makes sense, sorry I couldn't explain what I see visually though to you.

 

[Gerkak]

Same to you man, and I got what you're trying to say. It makes sense, sorry I couldn't explain what I see visually though to you.

It's all good

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

And here lies the problem, scientists have no idea how long it takes for a low melanin producing population change into a high melanin producing population and vice-versa. With this gap in knowledge in addition to not knowing why black people retain more melanin are they really in any position to make such assumptions as you previously posted? I don't think so, they don't have enough evidence. As a result of this lack of knowledge either can be true, either sun rays have nothing to do with permanent skin tone or it does.

I am glad you understand the skull shape thing.



You still don't understand do you? It all depends on how the parents look like. If assuming the mother looked like this

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They would look different(notice the skull shape). Again she has no European decent.

Dude it's been happening for a while now threw dna testing it was proven Egyptian,Algerian,Libyan,Moroccan have African ancestry but I'm darker than most of them their skin tone is moving more towards pale over the centuries. Bloemfontein,Cape Town,Pretoria Interracial relationship is on the rise in those parts of Africa these kids skin tone have been lightening.

So how do explain black people who have Vitiligo all of sudden rapidly getting sunburn,blister, and skin cancer do they just walk around with sun protection like umbrellas just for fun? Doesn't it make sense it protects from the UV rays if they never had that problem before their condition?

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but fine ok