[Discussion] Yonkos and Admirals are equal. PK level does not exist.
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KingHashirama
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Kaido has more hype than Whitebeard, yet whitebeard was the strongest man until he died?
Bro you keep trying to make Shanks = to Whitebeard, when hes never shown to be equal to whitebeard. Shanks has zero on-panel fighting feats in this manga. He also has no hype, to even remotely put him on Whitebeard's level. Hes shown the ability to use King's Haki on his Whitebeard's level.
And like I said, if someone like Sengoku who can match whitebeard's slash, were to have a clash like Shanks did, the clouds wouldn't have split either.. because sengoku and etc don't have King's Haki.
Your entire judgement of Yonko > Admirals, relies on Whitebeard... who was stronger than the other Yonko as well. And you have zero feats of any other yonko being able to do better against Whitebeard compared to what Akainu did.
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Countries such as Albasta and etc are under the control of the WG. Sure they might side with the revolutionaries later on, but right now that isn't the case. The mere fact you think the Marines , something that has nearly an endless supply of soldiers, and have stations throughout the world, most of which weren't even there during Marineford.. is below some 4 Pirates and their fleets.. is laughable.
And let me not even include the CP organizations that are under the WG also.
There is a reason why Dragon will be needing the help of pirates and etc (countries and so on) to take on the World Government. If it was easy as 2 Yonko combining and being able to take down the Marines and the WG, it would've been done by now.
Forbidden Tale
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You are dead wrong. Grand Times:
四皇を止める力として、世界政府は海軍と王下七武海を従える。
The World Government has Marine and Shichibukai as forces to stop the Yonkou.
海軍 - 海上の治安を守る、世界政府機関のひとつ。敵は同じだが、王下七武海とは相容れない。
Marine - One of the World Government's organization that protects safety on the sea. Even though they have same enemy, they are not in friendly term with Shichibukai. (They don't work together.)
王下七武海 - 利益の一部を上納することで、世界政府から略奪を許されている。海賊への抑止力という意味もあり、その実力 も折り紙つきだ。
Shichibukai - By paying part of the profit, they are permitted to plunder by the World Government. This works as a restraint against the other pirates, and their ability is unquestioned.
四皇 - "偉大なる航路"後半の海にて、皇帝のごとき力を誇る海賊。頭は4人だが、その戦力は他の世界的勢力と並ぶ 。
Yonkou - Pirates that shows emperor-like power in the later half of the "Grandline." Even though there are only four of them, their power equals to the other world forces.
Vandenre1ch
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??? The forces of the 4 yonkou combined equals the forces of the marines+shichibukai and the marines have gotten stronger to the point where they dont need the warlord system anymore. What is your point? Cause your post doesnt add nor take away anything.
If you are thinking that 4 sole pirates by themselves equals Marine HQ, then that is just retarded cause it makes no sense whatsoever.
Vandenre1ch
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??? The forces of the 4 yonkou combined equals the forces of the marines+shichibukai and the marines have gotten stronger to the point where they dont need the warlord system anymore. What is your point? Cause your post doesnt add nor take away anything.
If you are thinking that 4 sole pirates by themselves equals Marine HQ, then that is just retarded cause it makes no sense whatsoever.
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Basically this. The power of the Yonko include those of their fleets. Even though they are only four Yonko forces, the power of them equals the others because of its sheer stature.
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I will analyze it for you then.
四皇を止める力として、世界政府は�� �軍と王下七武海を従える。
The World Government has Marine and Shichibukai as forces to stop the Yonkou.
Marine HQ = Yonko = Shichibukai
World Goverment under their wing has three forces, Marine HQ, Shichibukai and Chiper Pol. Two out of them (Marine HQ and Shichibukai) are equal to Yonko force. Marine HQ = Yonko, Shichibukai = Yonko
海軍 - 海上の治安を守る、世界政府機関の�� �とつ。敵は同じだが、王下七武海と� ��相容れない。
Marine - One of the World Government's organization that protects safety on the sea. Even though they have same enemy, they are not in friendly term with Shichibukai.
(Even though they have same enemy, Marine HQ and Shichibukai don't work together. The only way they work together is when WG say)
王下七武海 - 利益の一部を上納することで、世界�� �府から略奪を許されている。海賊へ� ��抑止力という意味もあり、その実力 も折り紙つきだ。
Shichibukai - By paying part of the profit, they are permitted to plunder by the World Government. This works as a restraint against the other pirates, and their ability is unquestioned.
四皇 - "偉大なる航路"後半の海にて、皇帝の ごとき力を誇る海賊。頭は4人だが、� ��の戦力は他の世界的勢力と並ぶ 。
Yonkou - Pirates that shows emperor-like power in the later half of the "Grandline." Even though there are only four of them, their power equals to the other world forces.
(Last sentence clearly all doubt, even though there are only 4 of them, their power equal other world forces, Yonko = Marine HQ, Yonko = Shichibukai).
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I already gave you why Admiral = Yonko is pretty much bullshit (no offense). WB Pirates (just one crew) was enough for Sengoku to be scared (not to mention that at that time Shichibukai was also fighting with them).
With Shanks' arrivial war stopped, at that time Shichibukai + Marine HQ were against just two Yonko crews, you are claiming that Marine HQ (without Shichibukai) are enough to take all four crews.
Not to mention that Old Silvers fought equal with Admiral (someone who should be near as powerful as Roger, by your OP -Admiral and Yonko are same, PK level don't exist-). Marco fought equal with Kizaru and was pushed only with sea stone handcuffs, Kizaru is scared by Benn Beckman.
And last, by portrayal Yonko > Admirals. Last two Yonkos were introduced short ago and still haven't shown their abilites. Shanks still has to show his power, Blackbeard has to show his new power as well. Out of all Yonkos during the series, only WB was shown fighting seriously. On the other hand out of 5 Admirals we have in series, 4 of them already showed their full power, or close to their full power. Pretty clear, what Oda want to say with that.
Changing sentence for the sake of your argument, will not make your argument stronger.
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Dude he's the strongest creature not man creature means man as well, so if u wanna get technical there you go.
Shanks has no feats don't matter he is a yonko plus his hype with a simple clash with wb is enough plus wb even talks him up and Marco all high level dudes.
Why are u bringing sengoku he is weak compared to his prime couldn't kill luffy or even immobilize him. The clash and splitting a sky is a hype tool Oda is very cle with hype like that any two year old can get the memo there.
They are below 4 of the most notorious pirates why in the flying **** do you think the schibukai help them, cuz if ppl like wb Kaido and shanks pair up its a blood bath for the marines. This manga is mainly about top tiers fodders get knocked out by attacks or haki. Marines have a lot of top tiers but not as many as pirates and they balance it by getting pirates to side with them.
U are blatantly ignoring facts if u say marines> all yonko what a joke. And revolutionaries are winning a lot look at the recent chapter WG has a lot of issues with just taking dragon on but so countries aren't coming to help marines they are separate not the same.
And Kaido had SAD with many decent in strength ppl with df. He has his own army along with his monster hype. And Kaido has no feats should I say he is weaker than admirals no be cuz his hype is beyond them, doflamingo was confident against fujitora but shat his pants at the very thought of Kaido. These are all easy clear indications that admirals are on average weaker but obviously not by a huge margin.
KingHashirama
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Lol bro, you waayy wrong on that.
Sengoku wasn't scared, he was worried. Hopefully you realize that Whitebeard by himself possessed the power to destroy the island due to that earthquake fruit. Their goal was to protect the Marine HQ as well. And then you have the mere fact that nobody except whitebeard stood a chance against Akainu from his crew. Marco tried to stop and confront akainu, yet Akainu easily kept on bypassing him to go to his goal.
Kizaru and Marco never had a legit face off. Kizaru throughout the entire war was ****ing around and not being "serious". Aokiji was taking things slow as well. Can't say the same for marco tho.
The war was not stopped by Shanks. Coby + shanks + Blackbeard + sengoku's decision ended the war. You do realize had Sengoku kept the war going, he would've had to face the Blackbeard crew and a Yonko at the sametime, something they couldn't afford to do, due to the causalities that already happened to the marines. And more war would've only lost them "face".
Kizaru scared of ben beckman?? lol. Did you not see his face when he raised his hands? the dude was again messing around. Know why? Because couple panels later he proceeds to launch attacks at Law's submarine while Beckman couldn't do shit to stop him.
KingHashirama
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He got the "strongest creature alive" after the fact Whitebeard died. Whitebeard at his old and sick age was introduced as the strongest pirate.
Yea WB talks him up because the dude is Admiral level, and has a whole ****ing fleet on his side.
Why am I bringing in Sengoku? Because Sengoku's 1 attack gave Blackbeard's crew good amount of damage.. You know the same guy who gave shanks his scars? lol.
A 2 year old wouldn't even know about "hype" and majority of the english language.
Bullshit, Marines have top tiers, that can equal the pirates. We simply haven't seen them. We didn't even know about people like Vergo and g-5 until the recent arcs.. and lord knows how many marines there are that we still don't know about.
And which pirates did any of the warlords bring to the war? none.
Like I said, stop using Whitebeard's feats and claim all the Yonko are on that powerscale and can replicate what he did. When you have zero ounce of proof.
Lol, is this a joke? Marines having a hard time with the revs doesn't = other countries not sending their strong people to assist the WG, when the WG calls them. If they are under the WG, the WG can call them in. But thats a different story. And only gonna happen when the Revolutionaries (an entity that will be bigger than all the yonko combined probably, when they make their move) makes their move.
@Bold, when??
And do you know why he wasn't shitting his pants? Because People like Fujitora are bound by DUTY. People like Kaido will do whatever the **** they want.
KingHashirama
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They certainly weren't the "strongest man". And we also didn't know how strong Aokiji/Akainu/Kizaru really were either.
KingHashirama
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Sure, but there is nothing to say Whitebeard with a hole in his chest > Admiral.
He got Akainu with an attack from behind and got the upperhand on him.
He was said to be that always and it even says in the manga if you ever want to have a one on one ur pick should be Kaido. His hype is beyond any admiral.
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Right there we kno he is above akainu etc.
He doesn't put akainu on the same breath shanks was hyped by wb himself and Oda made it clear with the clash. Ofc a two year doesn't know what it means but it's an exaggeration but when I was a young kid I can easily tell hype when I saw it
Dude BB always get hit by everyone u get that right he always gets wrecked like with ace in the beginning, then Magellan and even luffy b4 got a hit on him. Sengoku is much weaker than his prime that is obvious.
Dude Vergo is not a top tier and he is a double agent working for doffy not really a legit marine. Kaido has a whole df army and ppl like yonkos have multiple allies and the world.
Dude countries aren't ruled by marines and they don't send armies to support them they are already fighting revolutionaries they have better things to do, marines are countries are not the same its like saying since US is allies with China they can use Chinese forces wherever they want, plus in this case they have their own enemies called revolutionaries.
And u always forget one main thing they use pirates to fight against a yonko if they were Stronger why would they have schibukai.
No look at the manga again doffy and Fuji both clashed and said we will fight after everything is done and doffy was not scared but confident. But he was shit scared and got mad when he was thinking of a possibility of fighting against Kaido the guy is deemed unkillable his hype Is greater than any admiral.
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