JJ Madara PS Doesn't Exist!

[TheUnbiasedOne]

Every. Single. Time. You corner a Madara fan in an argument, they either use the "1 Rinnegan<2" argument or the "JJ Perfect Susanoo"
1. Sasuke has a unique Rinnegan. This allows him to use his EMS, and it is inherently more powerful than a normal single Rinnegan. The 2>1 argument is therefore invalid, as never once, has his Rinnegan ever been cited as having a limitation that wouldn't be present in a double Rinnegan environment.

2. Can Sasuke Use Tsukiyomi, Yata, Or Totsuka? I mean, it's only logical seeing as he has Itachi's eyes too. Except no. This manga doesn't follow logic, it follows feats. Therefore, especially in a VS Setting, this "JJDRPS" is fanfic.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Nope, Kishi said its canon. Sorry bro

 

[Cyber]

Nope, Kishi said its canon. Sorry bro

Kishi also said Temari could blow away the universe with her fan (via databook). Yet she couldn't even scratch 3rd Raikage with her strongest jutsu. Feats matter, if we listen to everything Kishi said then the manga would have ended out different.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Double Rinnegan = 3 tomoe Rinnegan


Madara's Rinnegan is the evolution of his EMS so there's no reason that he lost his EMS abilities considering he used EMS tech as an Edo and used Susanoo while blind proving that Dojutsu stems from the brain. Unless you show me proof that Madara went full retard (brain) after becoming a JJ then your argument is flawed.

 

[NarutoX28]

Double Rinnegan = 3 tomoe Rinnegan


Madara's Rinnegan is the evolution of his EMS so there's no reason that he lost his EMS abilities considering he used EMS tech as an Edo and used Susanoo while blind proving that Dojutsu stems from the brain. Unless you show me proof that Madara went full retard (brain) after becoming a JJ then your argument is flawed.

Susano'o is the manifestation of your chakra, so it doesn't even require the Mangekyo to use it once you awaken the chakra to unlock the technique, so him using it with the Rinnegan simultaneously doesn't prove anything. Had he used his other MS techniques, then you'd likely have a case, but you don't.

 

[Nick01]

Double Rinnegan = 3 tomoe Rinnegan


Madara's Rinnegan is the evolution of his EMS so there's no reason that he lost his EMS abilities considering he used EMS tech as an Edo and used Susanoo while blind proving that Dojutsu stems from the brain. Unless you show me proof that Madara went full retard (brain) after becoming a JJ then your argument is flawed.

True.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

Nope, Kishi said its canon. Sorry bro

Scans or it didn't happen.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Susano'o is the manifestation of your chakra, so it doesn't even require the Mangekyo to use it once you awaken the chakra to unlock the technique, so him using it with the Rinnegan simultaneously doesn't prove anything. Had he used his other MS techniques, then you'd likely have a case, but you don't.

@bold Once you awaken the a Dojutsu the brain can activate it without the eyes , the chakra of the individual is what gauges the strength of the Dojutsu itself.

@underlined Exactly my point, just helps my case more. Point is he doesn't need eyes to use Susanoo.

The rest don't make sense.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

Double Rinnegan = 3 tomoe Rinnegan


Madara's Rinnegan is the evolution of his EMS so there's no reason that he lost his EMS abilities considering he used EMS tech as an Edo and used Susanoo while blind proving that Dojutsu stems from the brain. Unless you show me proof that Madara went full retard (brain) after becoming a JJ then your argument is flawed.

For one, Edo Madara showed he needed to switch between them when the eyes were present, and it has been abundantly show that you cannot deactivate Rinnegan through normal means. That is literally one of the main uses of Sasuke's Tomoe Rinnegan.
And Becoming a Juubi Jinchuriki was seen to have adverse effects on the brain.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Madara does have it. He just became much more reliant on rikudou power than his own. you could called this CIS character induced stupidity.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

For one, Edo Madara showed he needed to switch between them when the eyes were present, and it has been abundantly show that you cannot deactivate Rinnegan through normal means. That is literally one of the main uses of Sasuke's Tomoe Rinnegan.

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Yeh, Not like it matters anyways considering he can use Susanoo blind.

And Becoming a Juubi Jinchuriki was seen to have adverse effects on the brain.

You refering to JJ Obito saying he can't use his MS while being a Jin?

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Don't give Madara Obito's nerfs.

 

[NarutoX28]

@bold Once you awaken the a Dojutsu the brain can activate it without the eyes , the chakra of the individual is what gauges the strength of the Dojutsu itself.
@underlined Exactly my point, just helps my case more. Point is he doesn't need eyes to use Susanoo.

The rest don't make sense.

You canonically need the Dojutsu to utilize the majority of your abilities. Susano'o doesn't require the Mangekyo after awakening the chakra because it's a manifestation of one's chakra whereas the source of other techniques emit directly form one's eyes through the optic nerve.

The rest does make sense considering feats itself shows Susano'o is the only ocular that has been used in the entire manga without the need for Dojutsu. Aside from that, every ocular technique had required the actual dojutsu in order to use it. That's simply the case with Madara where he needed to regain the Rinnegan in order to use the ocular prowess of the Rinnegan despite having already awakened the chakra itself. Now, if Madara used Mangekyo techniques while having the Rinnegan awakened, then you'd have a point, but he hasn't and no feats suggest he can. What the manga displays is the opposite.

 

[bowflex]

Lol some one post the scan of blind sm and 1 rinnegan maddy using susano please.

 

[Passerby]

JJ Madara's PS>Sasukes Bijuu Susanoo+Boruto Movie Kurama Susanoo

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

You canonically need the Dojutsu to utilize the majority of your abilities. Susano'o doesn't require the Mangekyo after awakening the chakra because it's a manifestation of one's chakra whereas the source of other techniques emit directly form one's eyes through the optic nerve.

we were referring to Susanoo in the first place.

The rest does make sense considering feats itself shows Susano'o is the only ocular that has been used in the entire manga without the need for Dojutsu. Aside from that, every ocular technique had required the actual dojutsu in order to use it. That's simply the case with Madara where he needed to regain the Rinnegan in order to use the ocular prowess of the Rinnegan despite having already awakened the chakra itself. Now, if Madara used Mangekyo techniques while having the Rinnegan awakened, then you'd have a point, but he hasn't and no feats suggest he can. What the manga displays is the opposite.

I agree for the most part except @Bold CIS comes in to play the moment Madara become a Jin but no point considering OP was talking about Susanoo. But Logically Madara's Rinnegan should be able to use MS tech since its an evolution of his own eyes but that's me going on assumptions. Madara has Rinne Sharingan which has Sharingan tech confirmed by Hagoromo so even if his Rinnegan lacks the rest of his Sharingan tech he has his third eye to compensate for that.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Hypothetically he is supposed to have it though it is weird that he never used it again after becoming Jiubi Jin.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

If Madara can use Susanoo without eyes, what's stopping him from using it with the Juubi and 2 Rinnegan eyes? I agree with your standpoint about Sasuke's Rinnegan though.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

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Yeh, Not like it matters anyways considering he can use Susanoo blind.



You refering to JJ Obito saying he can't use his MS while being a Jin?

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Don't give Madara Obito's nerfs.

None of those affected the chakra he way using. It was shown when Obito almost lost his mind, that another change occurs in the brain. That change effected his sentience and his skill. Furthermore, the assumption that his Susanoo is powered up is an assumption still. However no feats means it didn't happen. Madara became am embodiment of The Juubi. He now only has powers pertaining to the Juubi and Rinnegan. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been crucial to have his Rinnegan.

 

[HiddenSound]

If Madara can use Susanoo without eyes, what's stopping him from using it with the Juubi and 2 Rinnegan eyes? I agree with your standpoint about Sasuke's Rinnegan though.

Susano'o can be used without eyes by anyone who awakened it

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[Ootoriyu Jin]

None of those affected the chakra he way using. It was shown when Obito almost lost his mind, that another change occurs in the brain. That change effected his sentience and his skill. Furthermore, the assumption that his Susanoo is powered up is an assumption still. However no feats means it didn't happen. Madara became am embodiment of The Juubi. He now only has powers pertaining to the Juubi and Rinnegan. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been crucial to have his Rinnegan.

@Bold You still giving Obito's nerfs to Madara? Stop. Madara was shown to be able to control the Juubi better than Obito and the Rikudou robe and ability to use Kamui is a clear cut, you should have stopped arguing the moment I pulled up those scans.

@Underlined, yet you ignore the feat that he could use Susanoo with no eyes.

The rest don't make sense, unless taking in the Juubi replaced Madara's brain and all his chakra then your logic is flawed and Madara can still use Susanoo using his chakra and brain. Wouldn't even work cause the Juubi is Rikudou chakra and Alive Madara already had Rikudou chakra via Rinnegan and merging with Hashirama's cells.