[Discussion] Does God have a plan?

[YowYan]

The plan is to make life as enjoyable and meaningful for Every lifeform existing. And we are in charge of that, making us, in a sense, god.

I think guided prayer (praying for your father to get rid of his cancer) is a bastardised and corrupted interpretation of intention healing. (Focussing your full intent on the results you are trying to achieve.) plenty of scientifically backed up un-biased intention experiments out there. I own this book 'The Intention Experiment by Lynne Mctaggart'. One source I got Some info from.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Game on!

I never said that a God does not have to come from anywhere. Scientists have all settled on this idea that if they can't fathom it, then it can't be true. How conceded. You really believe in whimsical phenomena? You really believe life is a coincidence?

:wesobi:

There is no beginning and there is no end. And you'll probably say that's impossible because you can't imagine it. Right? Well does the world have a start point? An end point? Easy to imagine, though. Right? My point is, conscience stemmed from somewhere. In that mass of gas, liquid, solid, plasma, force, and countless other properties, there was conscience. So that mass (the origin of the universe that scientists believe in) was, and still is, conscious. Else, tell me how to generate conscience.

:flakez:

Yep.
Game over.



Ah, seriously though. Conciousness is caused by nerve signals in the brain. No brain = No conciousness. Humanity eventually evolved brains complex enough to be stupid, and here we are. There are some gaps in the story, but none of them can be satisfactorily filled with "God Did It".

If consciousness has to stem from somewhere, the same must apply to a god's consciousness. If god can have no origins in his consciousness, then i see no reason the same cannot apply to humans.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

God is a man just like you and I. This is where people get God mixed up with some space cadet living on some comet somewhere. God is the person with the most knowledge in the universe. He is better at everything than everyone else which is why he is God. If you have a track race from michigan and florida and the winner comes up against someone from carolina and then the fastest out of those two end up going around all 50 states and then end up racing the world and winning and can run the fastest and for the longest time, they would be considered the God of track. No one can touch them. God is a title. God is like electricity. Electricity is everywhere, but it cannot manifest itself without a conductor. But conductors at a certain point burn out. Human beings are the conductors that can make knowledge (electricity) into reality. We have infiinte capabilities. The one who can be at the top of everything and stay up to date with the changes in the universe and grow on par with the universe is God. The thing tha makes someone God is the knowledge they hold. They manifest that knowledge

Is this just your opinion? I mean to say, where'd you get that from, because this is the first I've heard of that philosophy. My belief is that God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and is the source of everything, and always will be.

 

[BrillyMac]

Is this just your opinion? Because my belief is that God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and is the source of everything, and always will be.

Its more of a fact. Human beings bring things in reality from their minds. It was once impossible that a cell phone would even exist. NOw we can call people on not just a cell phone, but a touch screen one at that.

Yes, the knowledge of God is. But if there is no being to manifest and conduct it, it lies in wait. Knowledge doesnt go anywhere. There is always the potential to learn it and manifest it.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Its more of a fact. Human beings bring things in reality from their minds. It was once impossible that a cell phone would even exist. NOw we can call people on not just a cell phone, but a touch screen one at that.

Yes, the knowledge of God is. But if there is no being to manifest and conduct it, it lies in wait. Knowledge doesnt go anywhere. There is always the potential to learn it and manifest it.

That's some meta physical philosophy nonsense. It really doesn't make sense, it just sounds cool. I thought you were Muslim (it's cool if you aren't) but that's not Islam. God in my perspective creates us, while you're suggesting it's the other way around. I understand that from an atheist but from a theist, it makes no sense.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

God is a man just like you and I.

So he's not exactly the supervanient entity people make him out to be, huh?

God is the person with the most knowledge in the universe. He is better at everything than everyone else which is why he is God.

From what I've heard of him through the books passed out, he is clearly not better at morality and logic than most people. So... what makes him better than all of us at everything now?

If you have a track race from michigan and florida and the winner comes up against someone from carolina and then the fastest out of those two end up going around all 50 states and then end up racing the world and winning and can run the fastest and for the longest time, they would be considered the God of track

So it's that kind of title, not the Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent title. Because even if you are the "god" of something, you still have the ability of being taken down. And we know what happens when people are taken down from their title.

Electricity is everywhere, but it cannot manifest itself without a conductor.

Yes it can? Electricity, by it's core element, is electrons, and electrons move through a magnetic field. So, yes, it can manifest itself without a conductor.

Human beings are the conductors that can make knowledge (electricity) into reality.

I somehow knew he would make a flimsy analogy to try and fit god into the nature of everything, and I was not disappointed!

Once again! How do you know this is God's plan?

 

[Power Bottom]

Who knows. Nobody knows god's true plans or motives.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

The plan is to make life as enjoyable and meaningful for Every lifeform existing. And we are in charge of that, making us, in a sense, god.

I think guided prayer (praying for your father to get rid of his cancer) is a bastardised and corrupted interpretation of intention healing. (Focussing your full intent on the results you are trying to achieve.) plenty of scientifically backed up un-biased intention experiments out there. I own this book 'The Intention Experiment by Lynne Mctaggart'. One source I got Some info from.

Can you explain intention healing more? Do you mean like attaining knowledge to find a cure your father or something else?

 

[Ripple Hole]

So God controls all besides the anti-christ? The hell does that even mean? Why can't he control the anti-christ? If God doesn't interfere in you murdering, doesn't that mean it was part of the plan?




Except you don't exactly what ants will do. You can observe the ants but you'll never know exactly what they're doing.



So the plan changes for every single person that prays? What if prayers are conflicting?



This was ridiculous. The author obviously has a plan. What am I(the reader) capable of changing in a book that has been published?

All of these have a simple counter as someone said above. Where does God come in?

How does not being able to choose not to be born prove God's existence?

Of course conscience can be created(Not in a lab). It is done everyday several hundred thousand times a day.

Why does the inability to create a living organism from scratch prove God's existence? The Earth and the earliest earth-based organisms predate humanity so that assertion is ridiculous again.

Even if I did I'm still not controlling them, or bending things to my liking.

 

[Punk Hazard]

God's plan is basically to be worshipped. God encourages prayer because it's a symbol of worship and faith in God. You're turning to God instead of man or yourself for help.

 

[kuchiyosenojutsuironmaidn]

This couldn't be any more untrue.




Why can't it be? Oh yeah, because you can't fathom it.




Where is your proof that there is consciousness mixed in the universe?

I never said it can't be. Just asked if that's what y'all believe. :wesobi:

Your last question is unbelievably facetious, but okay, I'll bite. My proof that conscience (or consciousness).... is mixed in the universe.... IS THAT IT EXISTS... IN THE UNIVERSE!

:wesobi:

 

[BrillyMac]

That's some meta physical philosophy nonsense. It really doesn't make sense, it just sounds cool. I thought you were Muslim (it's cool if you aren't) but that's not Islam. God in my perspective creates us, while you're suggesting it's the other way around. I understand that from an atheist but from a theist, it makes no sense.

I am Muslim but let me explain this to you. The first God is the reason for everythign. He eliminated the impossible by creating himself. How can he create himself when there was nothing? How can he create himself with no brain to do so? All i know is there was 3 things when the universe started: thought, electricity, and the material of darkness. I have been taught that God created himself out of triple darkness. He eliminated the impossible by creating himself. It says in the scriptures that God created man in his image and in his likeness. Energy is neither created nor destroyed. We all have some of God in us. The first God is no longer physically alive. I believe he is everything; the laws of motion, the universe, etc. I believe that is his life force. Now although there are people who can get the title of God, they still pray to the first God. The knowledge of God is what makes man God. We come from God. We are to sit in his seat. When human beings come together than we can equal the power of God because we all have a unique trait of him. This ties in with everyones purpose.

So he's not exactly the supervanient entity people make him out to be, huh?



From what I've heard of him through the books passed out, he is clearly not better at morality and logic than most people. So... what makes him better than all of us at everything now?



So it's that kind of title, not the Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent title. Because even if you are the "god" of something, you still have the ability of being taken down. And we know what happens when people are taken down from their title.



Yes it can? Electricity, by it's core element, is electrons, and electrons move through a magnetic field. So, yes, it can manifest itself without a conductor.



I somehow knew he would make a flimsy analogy to try and fit god into the nature of everything, and I was not disappointed!

Once again! How do you know this is God's plan?

I knew youd make some flimsy argument. The magnetic field is the conductor then. The electrons are using it as a means to conduct themselves. You said it yourself "electrons move through a magnetic field". God is the most moral man in the universe. He is not like us. He is not controlled by emotion. It says in the Bible that Moses talked to God through a burning bush. This means that Moses was talking to an angry God but it was controlled anger. To say God isnt moral is blasphemy. Im questioning if you belive in him now

God's plan is basically to be worshipped. God encourages prayer because it's a symbol of worship and faith in God. You're turning to God instead of man or yourself for help.

Partially true. But God created us. He can live without us. He is not in need of us, we are in need of him. God can be compared to woman. God cares fo us like a woman would care for her child. He wants the attention and deserves it. But not in a lower way of thinking. It says in the scriptures that God is a jealous God.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I never said it can't be. Just asked if that's what y'all believe. :wesobi:

Your last question is unbelievably facetious, but okay, I'll bite. My proof that conscience (or consciousness).... is mixed in the universe.... IS THAT IT EXISTS... IN THE UNIVERSE!

:wesobi:

Consciousness is caused by chemicals in the brain. It's not some outward force.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I am Muslim but let me explain this to you. The first God is the reason for everythign. He eliminated the impossible by creating himself. How can he create himself when there was nothing? All i know is there was 3 things when the universe started: thought, electricity, and the material of darkness. I have been taught that God created himself out of triple darkness. He eliminated the impossible by creating himself. It says in the scriptures that God created man in his image and in his likeness. Energy is neither created nor destroyed. We all have some of God in us. The first God is no longer physically alive. I believe he is everything; the laws of motion, the universe, etc. I believe that is his life force. Now although there are people who can get the title of God, they still pray to the first God. The knowledge of God is what makes man God. We come from God. We are to sit in his seat. When human beings come together than we can equal the power of God because we all have a unique trait of him. This ties in with everyones purpose.

I knew youd make some flimsy argument. The magnetic field is the conductor then. The electrons are using it as a means to conduct themselves. You said it yourself "electrons move through a magnetic field". God is the most moral man in the universe. He is not like us. He is not controlled by emotion. It says in the Bible that Moses talked to God through a burning bush. This means that Moses was talking to an angry God but it was controlled anger. To say God isnt moral is blasphemy. Im questioning if you belive in him now

The whole point of Islam is to swallow your ego before God. It does not teach you can become God, it's not a title that is given. We are a creation of God, but God transcends all ideas of creation. God created the concept of life and therefore doesn't need a life force, he created the laws of physics so there can be an unbreakable order for his creations.

Humanity can only study the universe around us and manipulate it within the laws. We cannot truly turn the impossible into a reality as we can only do what the laws of the universe allow us to.

Have you even read the Qur'an?

 

[BrillyMac]

The whole point of Islam is to swallow your ego before God. It does not teach you can become God, it's not a title that is given. We are a creation of God, but God transcends all ideas of creation. God created the concept of life and therefore doesn't need a life force, he created the laws of physics so there can be an unbreakable order for his creations.

Islam does teach you that you can become God. It even says that man is the khalifa of God. Khalifa means one who sits in the place of another. It doesnt mean that we are the supreme bring but it means we are made similar to him and can be like him. Of course there cant be more than one supreme being because two things cannot occuy the same space at the same time

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Islam does teach you that you can become God. It even says that man is the khalifa of God. Khalifa means one who sits in the place of another. It doesnt mean that we are the supreme bring but it means we are made similar to him and can be like him. Of course there cant be more than one supreme being because two things cannot occuy the same space at the same time

God is the supreme being though...

 

[MacNeato]

he definitely has a plan..some of the verses from the book of revelations make me facepalm. we're in for some s***.

 

[BrillyMac]

God is the supreme being though...

but we also have the potential to be. Man is the Khalifa

 

[YowYan]

Can you explain intention healing more? Do you mean like attaining knowledge to find a cure your father or something else?

Not quite. It's not a globally accepted phenomenon also. (Although certain Natural ingrediënts prevent and fight certain diseases like cancer but are not profittable for pharmaceutical giants..that'S another topic)

It's, for example, diminishing the amount of stress and dense/heavy feeling in an individual by simply projecting the "message" you want to share with the subject simply by intent. You project a certain emotion/feeling or you "read" your subject to sense who or what around the subject us draining energy off of him/her. It's hard to grasp if you're completely unaware of these intention practices.

In my opinion, god is the human Brain and it holds untouched capabilities waiting to be 'tapped' into to reach higher levels of self-awareness and a sense of freedom.

This all must sound like mumbo jumbo to you as it did to me until I experienced certain things. This isn't something you can belief in, it has to 'happen'. plenty intention experiments I conducteur myself with other hyper-sensitive individuals that 99% of the time showed resuLts. I could be on the phone, icebearing through the livingroom and suddenly get a flood of warmth in/through my chest, grounding me, freezing me in my step, making me drop my phone when a friend (abroad) focussed on me during a meditation.

^ simple example

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

but we also have the potential to be. Man is the Khalifa

Khalifa is nothing more than the representative of God at best. They are not even dirt to God.