[Spoilers] Fights for which the winner is still debatable...

[kuchiyosenojutsuironmaidn]

So, in hindsight, there are some fights where, if somebody asked "Who won?" I would have to give them the plot answer because if it happened that way in real life, the answer would differ. Here are some:

Itachi vs Kakashi pt 1- Plot says Itachi. Life says tie. Kakashi countered all of Itachi's jutsu and survived Tsukyomi (which is the same as countering). Itachi would've won, but the way the fight ended should be considered a tie.

Bee vs Taka- Plot says tie. Life says Bee. Do I need to explain this one?

Ay vs Sasuke- Plot says tie. Life says Sasuke. Let's be real, Ay lost an arm and almost a leg. Sasuke only lost blood and sweat. Without the "what-ifs" Sasuke won.

Gaara vs Kimmi- Plot says Kimmimaro. Life says Gaara. Forgot about that forbidden substitution, didn't y'all?

Orochimaru vs Hiruzen- Plot says Orochimaru.Life says Tie. Oro didn't kill Hiruzen; he outlived him.

Naruto vs Kakuzu- Plot says Naruto. Life says Kakuzu. Naruto lost when he had to be rescued by Yammato. After that he won only because he got a mulligan

Minato vs Ay and Bee- Plot says tie. Life says Bee. Bee had Minato busted; dead to rights.

Neji vs Naruto- Read Grimmjow vs Ichigo. Just sayin'.


Just my thoughts.

 

[Ripple Hole]

Minato was in no way busted...

 

[Gerkak]

Raikage's kick would have killed sasuke. The raikage would be crippled for life and sasuke would be dead.

Bee didn't have minato, they would have both died if they struck.

 

[ANiMUS]

Raikage's kick would have killed sasuke. The raikage would be crippled for life and sasuke would be dead.

Bee didn't have minato, they would have both died if they struck.

That Enton blade Sasuke made come out of his susanoo actually might have cut off Ay's leg. When it comes to cutting ability Enton> Chidori and Amaterasu alone had no problem getting through the lightning armor

 

[Gerkak]

That Enton blade Sasuke made come out of his susanoo actually might have cut off Ay's leg. When it comes to cutting ability Enton> Chidori and Amaterasu alone had no problem getting through the lightning armor

How is enton greater than chidori in cutting? Need I remind you that it was chidori that cut JJ madara? Lightning and wind are the cutting elements not fire. Sasuke's number one option for cutting has always been chidori and its variants

 

[ANiMUS]

How is enton greater than chidori in cutting? Need I remind you it was chidori that cut JJ madara? Lightning and wind are the cutting elements not fire. Sasuke's number one option for cutting has always been chidori and its variants

Chidori charged blade blocked Kinshiki's attack. Enton covered sword shattered it. :|

Amaterasu (pretty much just a wild flame) got through lightning armor. Enton turned into a blade would fare better than Chidori

 

[Desiigner]

How is enton greater than chidori in cutting? Need I remind you that it was chidori that cut JJ madara? Lightning and wind are the cutting elements not fire. Sasuke's number one option for cutting has always been chidori and its variants

I think what he means is that for Ay it is a lot harder to tank Enton rather than a chidori variant.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Orochimaru beat Hiruzen. Orochimaru was fighting to kill Hiruzen and Hiruzen tried to stop Oro, only one of them achieved their goals.

 

[Gerkak]

I think what he means is that for Ay it is a lot harder to tank Enton rather than a chidori variant.

I never said aye would tank it he would loose the limb but the attack will land.

Chidori charged blade blocked Kinshiki's attack. Enton covered sword shattered it. :|

Amaterasu (pretty much just a wild flame) got through lightning armor. Enton turned into a blade would fare better than Chidori

Did it now, still kinshiki<<<JJ madara. Amaterasu will harm the raikage due to its burning properties, but the sharp points aren't going to be enough to stop the raikage's kick from connecting.

 

[ANiMUS]

I never said aye would tank it he would loose the limb but the attack will land.

No proof that it would though if Enton can get through better than Chidori. Aye was trying to Axe kick a blade

 

[UltraPain]

Sorry bro but pt. 1 Kakashi surving Itachi's Tsukuyomi is not countering. The only reason he lived is because Itachi let him.

 

[Gerkak]

No proof that it would though if Enton can get through better than Chidori. Aye was trying to Axe kick a blade

No proof it wouldn't. I'll say it again JJ madara>>>kinshiki

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Minato & bee actually did tie.

Also Taka v Bee was kinda a tie also seeing as bee didn't outright beat them per say, rather he used a substitution because he disliked fighting, when he had an easier route.

 

[ANiMUS]

No proof it wouldn't. I'll say it again JJ madara>>>kinshiki

Wasn't that Rikudou enhanced? And we never saw Enton against Madara

 

[Ambivalence]

1. Itachi won. Nothing to debate here.
2. Sasuke lost the moment he got saved by Suigetsu.
3. Inconclusive, but if that attack wasn't interrupted Raikage would've been finished. Enton spikes + ribcage durability would have stopped a free fall attack (which has significantly less force than Ay's ground attacks) or at least dulled it to point where it wouldn't have killed Sasuke.
4. Kimimaro was the stronger one. Gaara won, but only because of the former's disease kicking in at the worst time.
5. Orochimaru won. One was left standing, the other died.
6. Naruto couldn't have taken down Kakuzu alone from the get go.
7. Minato won that, as Bee reacted way too late to Minato's warp behind him, so if he killed him right there instead of stopping it would've been Ay vs Minato, which Minato would have won.
8. Naruto obviously won, but I guess Neji was right after all.

 

[Gerkak]

Wasn't that Rikudou enhanced? And we never saw Enton against Madara

Doesn't matter, chidori has greater feats. There is no room for assumptions here.

 

[ANiMUS]

Doesn't matter, chidori has greater feats. There is no room for assumptions here.

Because Madara's flesh supposedly has greater durability than Kinshiki's light weapon? How do u even come to that conclusion anyway?

 

[kuchiyosenojutsuironmaidn]

Okay. So I see people disagreeing with the Minato vs Ay and Bee mostly. Remember, Minato was on Bee when he said "I will not fail", but Bee already had the blade pointed at Minato's Vital spot and his blade was closer than Minato's. So yes, he had Minato busted.

:flakez:

 

[ethris]

Minato was in no way busted...

yeah i recall minato was the one who pointed out bees kunai (or was it a blade?) either way minato noticed and complimented him on it because he was aware of it, he felt confident enough to talk about it, and if were looking at what most likely would've happened next, we might have saw minato just teleport to a new position as many times as he needs to get his mark, at least that's the vibe i get from him when seeing his other fights.

 

[Gerkak]

Because Madara's flesh supposedly has greater durability than Kinshiki's light weapon? How do u even come to that conclusion anyway?

Are you saying otherwise? Madara's body tanked evening elephant. By feats EE>>kinshiki's weapon.

The conclusion is born from feats observed simple as that U_U