Hagoromoo's Yin power?

[VongolaX]

In the Databook it mentions about the yin yang origins and and how it was passed down.

Heading: Yin-Yang Release Techniques. The "origin's" properties are filled with great mysteries. The Yin-Yang Release techniques are analyzed here.

Six Paths: The secret technique forming all creation out of nothingness and giving it life.

↓ Spiritual and physical energy. That is Yin-Yang Release.

"Yin Release", which creates form out of nothingness and "Yang Release", which breathes life into form. The one with the skill to manipulate those two attributes, the Sage of Six Paths Hagoromo Otsutsuki, developed the "Creation of All Things Technique". He also created the nine bodies of the Tailed Beasts out of the Ten-Tails chakra, making them gifts of Yin-Yang Release. After this, the Uchiha Clan inherited Yin Release and the Senju Clan inherited Yang Release.

↑ Naruto, who acquired Hagoromo's power, demonstrates perfect [use?] of the Yin-Yang Release power.

← In Hiden Ninjutsu, there are remains of Yin-Yang Release...!!

Hiden: Parts of Yin-Yang Release have flown into the basis of general techniques.

"For example, the Akimichi Clan increases their body mass with Yang Release, [while] the Nara Clan can expand, contract and transform shadows because of Yin Release."

Now it states that Uchiha inherited the sage's yin and the Senju's yang. The rest of the clans are pasted down through Hiden ninjustus, which uses the basis on yin or yang in clan techniques.

With that in mind, wouldn't hagoromoo have yin based techniques of the Uchiha? Since they inherit the Yin of Hagoromoo?

We already know the the Yang of Hagormooo, he has naruto's massive life energy, Hashirama's mokuton (He was Juubi Jinchuuriki before), and Tobirama's soul technique(or at least something similar).

So how about Yin?

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Hagoromo is dumb fodder. Watching your sons fight and doing nothing is something only smart guys like Hagoromo would do.

 

[HENI]

Hagoromo has both Yin and Yang. Indra got his Yin power, which is Sharingan. Asura got his body Yang power. Yin + Yang = Rinnegan

 

[Gerkak]

Another translation(which makes more sense imo) says the gained an affinity towards yin while the senju gained an affinity towards yang. In other words both clans inherited yin and yang just in different ratios.

The yin aspect is his eye power

 

[Seventh Sama]

No. Despite uchiha having hagoromo's yin power. They developed different abilities than him.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Hagoromo has both Yin and Yang. Indra got his Yin power, which is Sharingan. Asura got his body Yang power. Yin + Yang = Rinnegan

Wrong: Rinnegan is the manifestation of Hagoromo's Yin Powers in an Indra transmigrant. If you did the same thing with an Ashura transmigrant, you get RSM or some variant of that.

 

[VongolaX]

Another translation(which makes more sense imo) says the gained an affinity towards yin while the senju gained an affinity towards yang. In other words both clans inherited yin and yang just in different ratios.

The yin aspect is his eye power

Yin is more than just eye power.

Because Yin isn't the only thing that gets you a rinnegan.

No. Despite uchiha having hagoromo's yin power. They developed different abilities than him.

Seems a bit biased if Hagoromoo is capable of preforming the Yang side.

 

[ANiMUS]

In the Databook it mentions about the yin yang origins and and how it was passed down.




Now it states that Uchiha inherited the sage's yin and the Senju's yang. The rest of the clans are pasted down through Hiden ninjustus, which uses the basis on yin or yang in clan techniques.

With that in mind, wouldn't hagoromoo have yin based techniques of the Uchiha? Since they inherit the Yin of Hagoromoo?

We already know the the Yang of Hagormooo, he has naruto's massive life energy, Hashirama's mokuton (He was Juubi Jinchuuriki before), and Tobirama's soul technique(or at least something similar).

So how about Yin?

Nope. Hagoromo has their yin chakra, and he can probably do a lot of stuff with it, but as for things like susano'o :|?
No he doesn't

 

[VongolaX]

Nope. Hagoromo has their yin chakra, and he can probably do a lot of stuff with it, but as for things like susano'o :|?
No he doesn't

Sharingan is also of the Uchiha, so does that mean a 3 tomoe sharingan user would be able to use Susanoo?
No, it doesn't.

That's why I never mentioned Susanoo.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

We never seen Hago fight & he clearly had dojutsu...

All descendents combined powers = their ancestors

This is Indra & Ashura. Hago's sons.

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Hago was described to be using Yin & Yang to create shit like the beasts. I don't get this thread. Hago's arsenal wasn't showcased? Just scratched the service of his abilities. I'm pretty tired so I probably sound retarded but what am I missing here?

 

[VongolaX]

We never seen Hago fight & he clearly had dojutsu...

All descendents combined powers = their ancestors

This is Indra & Ashura. Hago's sons.

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Hago was described to be using Yin & Yang to create shit like the beasts. I don't get this thread. Hago's arsenal wasn't showcased? Just scratched the service of his abilities.

Hagoromoo has showcase yang capabilities in the manga.

As for Yin, I need to know where the line is drawn. Hagormoo shouldn't be able to use the likes of Susanoo (as stated above) but other Uchiha techs. Which ones is he eligible of doing?

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Hagoromoo has showcase yang capabilities in the manga.

As for Yin, I need to know where the line is drawn. Hagormoo shouldn't be able to use the likes of Susanoo (as stated above) but other Uchiha techs. Which ones is he eligible of doing?

Well as I said. The further you go up the tree the more powerful the characters get. Their powers combine to make their parents UNLESS there is a Godly intervention with a power-up handout. Logically, parents should be capable of anything their kids are but better or that was the way it was portrayed in the manga.

Thing is. Evolution. Hago had rinnegan, right? Not all genetic changes are good, especially when each generation is losing rikudo juice purity. It's not TOTALLY unreasonable to assume Hago had access to susano since Indra & the Uchiha wouldn't have the brains they did if it weren't for him. He probably went through some emotional scarring too. Seeing his power hungry mother hunting chakra & eventually sealing her. I'll look it up a bit more, maybe & edit.

Yin is making something from nothing. Hago made his OP tools, right? Genjutsu is a given. Him having MS techs also makes sense tbh. It's all speculation, really. He never had any reason to use yin powers anyway? Especially in the state he was in & the circumstances of his appearance.

 

[VongolaX]

Well as I said. The further you go up the tree the more powerful the characters get. Their powers combine to make their parents UNLESS there is a Godly intervention with a power-up handout. Logically, parents should be capable of anything their kids are but better or that was the way it was portrayed in the manga.

Exactly what I think.

Thing is. Evolution. Hago had rinnegan, right? Not all genetic changes are good, especially when each generation is losing rikudo juice purity. It's not TOTALLY unreasonable to assume Hago had access to susano since Indra & the Uchiha wouldn't have the brains they did if it weren't for him. He probably went through some emotional scarring too. Seeing his power hungry mother hunting chakra & eventually sealing her. I'll look it up a bit more, maybe & edit.

I see what you mean.

And seeing how genetics goes, Indra picked up the sharingan while Hagromoo picked up the rinnegan along the lines. But he still posses his fathers chakra.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Exactly what I think.


I see what you mean.

And seeing how genetics goes, Indra picked up the sharingan while Hagromoo picked up the rinnegan along the lines. But he still posses his fathers chakra.

Sharingan is just a watered down rinnegan, right? Makes sense for that to be the case. Hago's wife was probably fodder leading to a decline in the general benefits of the evolutionary mutations. The chakra and brain are what's needed for susano and the techs that go along with it. It's not hard to imagine Hago having amaterasu for example since it's a fodder tech, especially when used on the likes of Kaguya. Kamui would prevent dimension trapping and what not. From what I know, yin style is mainly things like genjutsu & shadow possession jutsu anyway which were useless in Hago's ghostly duration. Even if he could fight at a portion of his strength, thise techs would be futile vs Kaguya.

Not to mention he straight up gave Naruto & Sasuke their yin/yang power ups, allowing THEM to achieve THEIR true potential in their fields.

 

[VongolaX]

Sharingan is just a watered down rinnegan, right? Makes sense for that to be the case. Hago's wife was probably fodder leading to a decline in the general benefits of the evolutionary mutations. The chakra and brain are what's needed for susano and the techs that go along with it. It's not hard to imagine Hago having amaterasu for example since it's a fodder tech, especially when used on the likes of Kaguya. Kamui would prevent dimension trapping and what not. From what I know, yin style is mainly things like genjutsu & shadow possession jutsu anyway which were useless in Hago's ghostly duration. Even if he could fight at a portion of his strength, thise techs would be futile vs Kaguya.

Not to mention he straight up gave Naruto & Sasuke their yin/yang power ups, allowing THEM to achieve THEIR true potential in their fields.

It's actually not water down at all. It's just different. Even the byukgan was said to be of the origin of the sharingan.

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What I think is that the sharingan is new and considering that Kaguya has all three doujustus (technically) different events will lead to a different doujustu.

But in terms of chakra, I'm sure there are some abilities that can be shared (heretical) and some that wouldn't be able to because they require specifics. Because some one like Itachi's father wouldn't have Tskuyomi like Itachi himself.

Yin is genjustu but there has to be something more to it then just genjustu.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Hagoromo is dumb fodder. Watching your sons fight and doing nothing is something only smart guys like Hagoromo would do.

He was dead..

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

It's actually not water down at all. It's just different. Even the byukgan was said to be of the origin of the sharingan.

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What I think is that the sharingan is new and considering that Kaguya has all three doujustus (technically) different events will lead to a different doujustu.

But in terms of chakra, I'm sure there are some abilities that can be shared (heretical) and some that wouldn't be able to because they require specifics. Because some one like Itachi's father wouldn't have Tskuyomi like Itachi himself.

Yin is genjustu but there has to be something more to it then just genjustu.

Regardless. Rinnegan was the parent dojutsu. Anything else derived from it is a mutation. Sometimes mutations are for the better/same affectiveness to ensure the survival of the fittest while others are for the worse, in which case, the group with the failed mutation usually dies out.

Kakashi's statement starts with "They say". Shinobi didn't track their kkg origins well enough it turns out (Hamura's descendents inherited the byakugan at the same time Hago's did sharingan)

Sharingan & rinnegan are both brilliant and all but sharingan does evolve into rinnegan under the right conditions, hinting thst it's superior. Especially in Sasuke's case where he got to keep his MS techs anyway.

You are right about the Tsukuyomi thing though. Not everything is inherited and that's the tricky bit. Sometimes it's to do with yiur environment, although you could argue that Itachi was destined to have & I'm just starting ramble now XD

What other purely yin techs are there that aren't genjutsu or mind/shadow possession? I can't think of any others atm. Certainly not ones that Hago could've used to help at the time anyway. Hago had the dojutsu buffs like pre-cog + chakra sensing anyway. That counts as yin advantages.

 

[VongolaX]

Regardless. Rinnegan was the parent dojutsu. Anything else derived from it is a mutation. Sometimes mutations are for the better/same affectiveness to ensure the survival of the fittest while others are for the worse, in which case, the group with the failed mutation usually dies out.

Kakashi's statement starts with "They say". Shinobi didn't track their kkg origins well enough it turns out (Hamura's descendents inherited the byakugan at the same time Hago's did sharingan)

Sharingan & rinnegan are both brilliant and all but sharingan does evolve into rinnegan under the right conditions, hinting thst it's superior. Especially in Sasuke's case where he got to keep his MS techs anyway.

You are right about the Tsukuyomi thing though. Not everything is inherited and that's the tricky bit. Sometimes it's to do with yiur environment, although you could argue that Itachi was destined to have & I'm just starting ramble now XD

What other purely yin techs are there that aren't genjutsu or mind/shadow possession? I can't think of any others atm. Certainly not ones that Hago could've used to help at the time anyway. Hago had the dojutsu buffs like pre-cog anyway.

The reason why I brought up the byukagan was because Kaguya (head of the ootsuki) original had a byukgan. The rinne-sharingan/sharingan was something that she got along the way when she at that fruit. Either or, even kakashi wouldn't know considering that he called nagato's rinnegan a mutation.

Well for the rinnegan you need hagormoo's chakra to get there. But Indra was already born with hagormoo's chakra and the sharingan. So there is definitely a rare case here. Black zetsu has been implanting Indra+Ashura's chakra into incarnates for years and only Madara was able to awaken first out of the bunch. Weird right?

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Hmm, the only Yin techniques that are there besides genjustus/shadow possesions are the Senpou Yin elements that Rikudou Madara used on RSM naruto. Also the sound four lady that shikimaru fought as well.

Yin seems to be in some elements such as lightning, but it is also in justus/hiden ninjustus that are intangible (matter).
It lacks physical property to touch.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

The reason why I brought up the byukagan was because Kaguya (head of the ootsuki) original had a byukgan. The rinne-sharingan/sharingan was something that she got along the way when she at that fruit. Either or, even kakashi wouldn't know considering that he called nagato's rinnegan a mutation.

Well for the rinnegan you need hagormoo's chakra to get there. But Indra was already born with hagormoo's chakra and the sharingan. So there is definitely a rare case here. Black zetsu has been implanting Indra+Ashura's chakra into incarnates for years and only Madara was able to awaken first out of the bunch. Weird right?

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Hmm, the only Yin techniques that are there besides genjustus/shadow possesions are the Senpou Yin elements that Rikudou Madara used on RSM naruto. Also the sound four lady that shikimaru fought as well.

Yin seems to be in some elements such as lightning, but it is also in justus/hiden ninjustus that are intangible (matter).
It lacks physical property to touch.

Ah. That's why you brought it up.

Madara had years to awaken the rinnegan, I guess, as well as the gedo. I thought of Tayuya but her flute goes under genjutsu too which would've been useless vs Kaguya.

Hago wasn't in any condition to be fighting and using the yin senpou lightning or w/e anyway, I suppose. Even Hago seems to be mainly body based while his bro must be dojutsu based despite having the inferior dojutsu imo. It's weird, alright.

I can't remember and this will sound stupid but was ghost Hago intangible? Is that not considered yin release then? *shrugs* losing Naruto details every day

 

[The Demon Hawk]

In the Databook it mentions about the yin yang origins and and how it was passed down.




Now it states that Uchiha inherited the sage's yin and the Senju's yang. The rest of the clans are pasted down through Hiden ninjustus, which uses the basis on yin or yang in clan techniques.

With that in mind, wouldn't hagoromoo have yin based techniques of the Uchiha? Since they inherit the Yin of Hagoromoo?

We already know the the Yang of Hagormooo, he has naruto's massive life energy, Hashirama's mokuton (He was Juubi Jinchuuriki before), and Tobirama's soul technique(or at least something similar).

So how about Yin?

He has Naruto AND Hashirama's massive life energy. BTW, it's the opposite actually.

@bold He could or could not have Mokuton. We have no proof for this. Being a Juubi Jin doesn't guarantee Mokuton's usage. Though being the founder of shinobi, we can assume he had it.

@underlined No, nothing like that.

What about Yin? Well, his Rinnegan (and it's lower forms like Sharingan and MS contained within) is Yin. Wasn't that already manifest?

Hagoromoo has showcase yang capabilities in the manga.

As for Yin, I need to know where the line is drawn. Hagormoo shouldn't be able to use the likes of Susanoo (as stated above) but other Uchiha techs. Which ones is he eligible of doing?

He showcased them both equally. His Yang was massive life force and physical energy which Senjus had. And his Yin was powerful chakra and spiritual energy which Uchihas had.

His Yang power was RSM (lower or related forms include SM, BM etc which Senjus had). His Yin power was Rinnegan (lower forms include Sharingan and MS which Uchihas had).