The uchia clan are really cqc fight

[The Demon Hawk]

This post (below) is wrong on almost all levels.

The Hyuga Clan is overall superior to the Uchiha Clan.

The Hyuga Clan is generally (not "overall") superior to the Uchiha Clan, and that also just in CQC, not overall battle prowess. The Uchihas' mid-range fighting and genjutsu outweigh the Hyugas.

Against each other, Hyugas >= 3T Uchihas. But against another opponent, Uchihas are a better match. That's why Senju Clan's rival is the Uchiha Clan and not Hyuga.

That was stated in Part 1.

That was never stated.

When it was also stated, the Byakugan is better than regular Sharingan.

Kakashi said that Byakugan was better than the Sharingan ONLY in sheer power of insight, which is true. Sharingan dominates in all other departments.

Lets be honest, in part 1, Neji showed better Doujutsu feats than Sasuke.

LOL. How can you compare the feats of two different dojutsus?

It has not been stated if tha Sharingan can cast Genjutsu on Byakugan or not, but it all really comes to that.
If it can, most Uchiha>Hyuga, if it can't, then its pretty obvious.

Sharingan can easily cast genjutsu on Byakugan, and they'll be affected. But Hyugas can negate this disadvantage because they can fight with their eyes closed.

 

[lndra]

This couldn't be more false. As proven by rock lee in part 1 you still need hand to hand skills and a highly trained body. Just having a sharingan and putting no effort into mastering taijutsu will get you wrecked in cqc.

Doesn't change what I said at all - The Sharingan allows you to not only copy certain people's movements, after further developing it, it even allows you to see movements ahead of time so that you can counter them. What you said is probably true, it doesn't mean much considering the fact that the Uchiha Clan basically cheat their way through everything and anything.

Genjutsu? All they need is eye contact.
Ninjutsu? Can copy Ninjutsu outside of KKG, and what-ever Wood Release is.
Taijutsu? Explained above.

It's not even funny how hack Kishimoto made them, to the point where it wasn't even fair. One of the things I dislike about the Manga is because of the Uchiha Clan, Dojutsu itself, and Bijuu. They made things extremely over powered for the future works.

 

[Genisys]

Hyuugas are the definition of power.

Then you must be looking at the wrong dictionary.

 

[hatake axel]

This post (below) is wrong on almost all levels.



The Hyuga Clan is generally (not "overall") superior to the Uchiha Clan, and that also just in CQC, not overall battle prowess. The Uchihas' mid-range fighting and genjutsu outweigh the Hyugas.

Against each other, Hyugas >= 3T Uchihas. But against another opponent, Uchihas are a better match. That's why Senju Clan's rival is the Uchiha Clan and not Hyuga.
Should've explained myself better, thats pretty much what I meant. Hyugas are oveall better WHEN matched againts Uchihas


That was never stated.



Kakashi said that Byakugan was better than the Sharingan ONLY in sheer power of insight, which is true. Sharingan dominates in all other departments.
Mangekyou dominates, 3T is only better in Genjutsu usage


LOL. How can you compare the feats of two different dojutsus?
They are similar. They both see chakra, sharingan can se the flow, and Byakugan can see Chakra, and Chakra points. Both have some sort of precognition skills, but Byakugan could use that precognition view in a 360 degree ratio.
Byakugan also has some Telescopic abilities wich makes it superior but similar


Sharingan can easily cast genjutsu on Byakugan, and they'll be affected. But Hyugas can negate this disadvantage because they can fight with their eyes closed.
I never stated if they could, or could not, I didn't know. And I Hyuga can fight with their eyes closed, then Genjutsu is a non-factor

I think we all know top tier Uchiha > top tier Hyuga
But you cant deny the fact that Byakugan>3T Sharingan.

And thats all I was trying to point out

 

[itsxtrayy]

Doesn't change what I said at all - The Sharingan allows you to not only copy certain people's movements, after further developing it, it even allows you to see movements ahead of time so that you can counter them. What you said is probably true, it doesn't mean much considering the fact that the Uchiha Clan basically cheat their way through everything and anything.

Genjutsu? All they need is eye contact.
Ninjutsu? Can copy Ninjutsu outside of KKG, and what-ever Wood Release is.
Taijutsu? Explained above.

It's not even funny how hack Kishimoto made them, to the point where it wasn't even fair. One of the things I dislike about the Manga is because of the Uchiha Clan, Dojutsu itself, and Bijuu. They made things extremely over powered for the future works.

sheesh, tell me how you really feel lol. There probably won't be any future works that aren't fanfiction and in my opinion all the various kkg made the manga and the fights more interesting. But i can see why you dislike it, and I agree that the uchiha clan is wayyy too broken, and I seriously hate the idea of chakra avatars they just shit on just about everyone. I also dislike the idea of Bijuu, that and the uchiha pushed the power levels wayyy too high for a manga that was pretty balanced in part 1.

Would you have preferred no bijuu and kkg? There's just chakra and everyone can essentially use any jutsu they just have to be skilled enough? That way all the fight's would truly come down to skill and tactics.

Please elaborate on all the things you dislike i'm interested.

 

[lndra]

sheesh, tell me how you really feel lol. There probably won't be any future works that aren't fanfiction and in my opinion all the various kkg made the manga and the fights more interesting. But i can see why you dislike it, and I agree that the uchiha clan is wayyy too broken, and I seriously hate the idea of chakra avatars they just shit on just about everyone. I also dislike the idea of Bijuu, that and the uchiha pushed the power levels wayyy too high for a manga that was pretty balanced in part 1.

Would you have preferred no bijuu and kkg? There's just chakra and everyone can essentially use any jutsu they just have to be skilled enough? That way all the fight's would truly come down to skill and tactics.

Please elaborate on all the things you dislike i'm interested.

Like I have no problem with certain aspects of eye powers, and KKG. It's when they cross the boundaries of insanity for the Manga. First off, the Sharingan being capable of copying all types of Ninjutsu (with restrictions to KKG) -- Is already too hack. That means already they have counters to most shinobi who use Ninjutsu. If you ask me the Sharingan should of been equipped with being able to see Chakra (see through minimal amounts of bodily movements), to see through Genjutsu, and Genjutsu on sight. That's the main capabilities of why the Sharingan is deadly. They don't need this copying this and that BS. It just speeds up the process and makes everyone else redundant and useless, look at Lee's reaction when Sasuke copied his speed and movements in a little over 3 months which took him years to master. That's complete bull shit. Especially when Rock Lee's character emphasizes hard work.

With Ninjutsu, I have no literal problem with clan's like Ice Release, Lava Release, and etc., No problem at all. It's when they become unbeatable, like Hashirama for instance. Since in my book, I capped the Uchiha Clan with only 3T, Hashirama should only be that powerful. He shouldn't be allowed on PS level power or above, but he and the strongest Uchiha should be capable of withstanding a Bijuu attack and winning.

Tailed Beasts, or Jinchuriki are the main problem's here. The average Kage should be capable of defeating one, but probably not on the same level as the strongest Uchiha and Senju (to keep the Manga flowing with Naruto and Sasuke and how they are supposed to be the strongest 'alive' characters). With Jinchuriki, they should only be capable of accessing small amounts of the Bijuu's chakra. Going up to V1 cloak at best. The form already grants them; Speed, strength, and durability increases. For Naruto, he has regenerative properties. His abilities would consist of powerful CQC, speed, strength, and the Tailed Beast roar which was capable of dispersing a fire ball jutsu. These are already useful, and combined with Sage Mode and his other techniques, the Manga would have been more balanced that way and keep linear to where other characters could at least fight him up to a point before he goes full power with Bijuu chakra.

More or less for the Uchiha (since Hebi Sasuke is inferior to SM Naruto), since I capped MS techniques in general. Instead of trying to become insanely powerful by having intense and stupidly hack abilities, they would grow stronger by what they have already. Improving the 3T where they can cast stronger Genjutsu on enemies, and a prerequisite of an Uchiha who wishes to use precogniition is that they should be around the same level as the person they are fighting speed/reaction wise, so that they can see their movements ahead. For example, if an Uchiha is fighting someone vastly superior in every category, they straight up lose until they improve themselves through bodily training to reach a level where they can keep up and then-some. Anyone below them speed/reaction wise is gg'd, and for the most part they probably wouldn't even need to use the Sharingan.

Things like this keep the manga balanced. Susano'o, MS, Bijuu, and other things I didn't list made the Manga wide ranged in abilities to where strong clan's from the Past just seemed stupid and useless now.

 

[itsxtrayy]

In cqc Hyuga>Uchiha
In overall range/use of Jutsu Uchiha>Hyuga
In Doujutsu skills 3 tome<Byaku but MS/EMS>Byaku
Overall clan wise I go with Hyuga since they all have Byakugon at birth while full 3 tome Sharingan is rare, MS nearly impossible, and EMS is just God mode to achieve. That being said Hyuga win until that one Uchiha out of hundreds gets MS and starts neging the majority.

So basically Hyuga 3 vs Uchiha 2 imo

I'm gonna argue with you on this a little bit. Here's the scenario: 1 uchiha with 3tomoe stands 10ft from a hyuuga with byakugan active, all their physical stats and skills are equalized this is a taijutsu only fight so basically the advantages their dojutsu gives them in taijutsu will determine the winner. Since the uchiha can predict movements if all stats are equalized how is the hyuuga going to hit him? This is what i'm talking about:

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They can literally see the opponents next move and because of this i'd put 3tomoe uchiha above or equal with the hyuuga in taijutsu even tho the hyuuga have a deadlier style.

Also 3 tomoe wasn't rare just look at how many sharingan obito has from the massacre:

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[itsxtrayy]

Like I have no problem with certain aspects of eye powers, and KKG. It's when they cross the boundaries of insanity for the Manga. First off, the Sharingan being capable of copying all types of Ninjutsu (with restrictions to KKG) -- Is already too hack. That means already they have counters to most shinobi who use Ninjutsu. If you ask me the Sharingan should of been equipped with being able to see Chakra (see through minimal amounts of bodily movements), to see through Genjutsu, and Genjutsu on sight. That's the main capabilities of why the Sharingan is deadly. They don't need this copying this and that BS. It just speeds up the process and makes everyone else redundant and useless, look at Lee's reaction when Sasuke copied his speed and movements in a little over 3 months which took him years to master. That's complete bull shit. Especially when Rock Lee's character emphasizes hard work.

With Ninjutsu, I have no literal problem with clan's like Ice Release, Lava Release, and etc., No problem at all. It's when they become unbeatable, like Hashirama for instance. Since in my book, I capped the Uchiha Clan with only 3T, Hashirama should only be that powerful. He shouldn't be allowed on PS level power or above, but he and the strongest Uchiha should be capable of withstanding a Bijuu attack and winning.

Tailed Beasts, or Jinchuriki are the main problem's here. The average Kage should be capable of defeating one, but probably not on the same level as the strongest Uchiha and Senju (to keep the Manga flowing with Naruto and Sasuke and how they are supposed to be the strongest 'alive' characters). With Jinchuriki, they should only be capable of accessing small amounts of the Bijuu's chakra. Going up to V1 cloak at best. The form already grants them; Speed, strength, and durability increases. For Naruto, he has regenerative properties. His abilities would consist of powerful CQC, speed, strength, and the Tailed Beast roar which was capable of dispersing a fire ball jutsu. These are already useful, and combined with Sage Mode and his other techniques, the Manga would have been more balanced that way and keep linear to where other characters could at least fight him up to a point before he goes full power with Bijuu chakra.

More or less for the Uchiha (since Hebi Sasuke is inferior to SM Naruto), since I capped MS techniques in general. Instead of trying to become insanely powerful by having intense and stupidly hack abilities, they would grow stronger by what they have already. Improving the 3T where they can cast stronger Genjutsu on enemies, and a prerequisite of an Uchiha who wishes to use precogniition is that they should be around the same level as the person they are fighting speed/reaction wise, so that they can see their movements ahead. For example, if an Uchiha is fighting someone vastly superior in every category, they straight up lose until they improve themselves through bodily training to reach a level where they can keep up and then-some. Anyone below them speed/reaction wise is gg'd, and for the most part they probably wouldn't even need to use the Sharingan.

Things like this keep the manga balanced. Susano'o, MS, Bijuu, and other things I didn't list made the Manga wide ranged in abilities to where strong clan's from the Past just seemed stupid and useless now.

Hmm, I agree for the most part. One character shouldn't be able to take on entire armies by himself, that's when you know the power level's in your story are messed up. Something else to consider, you'd either have to get rid of the gate's all together or really nerf it down especially the eighth gate. Also, rikudo chakra REALLY messed it up for the future unless you tell stories where Naruto and Sasuke are dead that shit is wayyy too haxx. Naruto and Sasuke shouldn't be so strong no one can touch them, that's the only reason the ootsusuki clan was invented because Kishi needed more powerful enemies.

Now, how strong do you think the absolute strongest someone should of been allowed to be?

 

[RafiD62x]

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Hima solos.

 

[thelordza]

Uchia are strong but I think the hyuga would win if the weren't not so proud they might have find away to enhance there power just like ems. Can't beat them close combat , mid range they can dogde are repel attack.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

I'm gonna argue with you on this a little bit. Here's the scenario: 1 uchiha with 3tomoe stands 10ft from a hyuuga with byakugan active, all their physical stats and skills are equalized this is a taijutsu only fight so basically the advantages their dojutsu gives them in taijutsu will determine the winner. Since the uchiha can predict movements if all stats are equalized how is the hyuuga going to hit him? This is what i'm talking about:

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They can literally see the opponents next move and because of this i'd put 3tomoe uchiha above or equal with the hyuuga in taijutsu even tho the hyuuga have a deadlier style.

Also 3 tomoe wasn't rare just look at how many sharingan obito has from the massacre:

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first your stacking the odds in the fav and let be honest the average uchiha don't do much physical the Hyuga spin day in and day out training so the Hyuga would be faster plus this would happen then O.K.

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And dude that the entire police force and maybe a few other people and that's out of 500 or more people you got 30 shraigan

 

[itsxtrayy]

first your stacking the odds in the fav and let be honest the average uchiha don't do much physical the Hyuga spin day in and day out training so the Hyuga would be faster plus this would happen then O.K.

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And dude that the entire police force and maybe a few other people and that's out of 500 or more people you got 30 shraigan

Thats 160 sharingan so about 80 people, but we have no idea how many people were in the clan. Also, how am i stacking the odds? I equalized physical stats and skills, meaning the doujtsu's advantage will decide the victor. Thats the fairest way to fight. And let's truly be honest and say we have no idea what the average uchiha was like we only ever saw talented people fight. The Hyuuga as well we never saw an average hyuuga fight we have no idea what the average hyuuga can do.

And rotation is a special tech only passed down in the main branch the average hyuuga probably doesn't have it:

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[Tyris]

Non uchiha but you'll review the clan based on some plot shielded fodder.. impeccable logic of nb members strikes again.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

well roll over and die son

No chill.

The Hyuuga destroy the Uchiha in CQC without MS anyway.

OT: Uchiha specialise in fire jutsu & ninja tools so I'd say close-mid range fighters primarily. Long range, they'd be easy enough to dodge.

 

[VongolaX]

Hyuugas are superior in taijustus than the Uchihas.

But Kakashi isn't superior than any of the ones we know. Kakashi is a tactician by being able to adapt himself to certain situations, he is also able to strategically use his environment around him.

 

[lndra]

Hmm, I agree for the most part. One character shouldn't be able to take on entire armies by himself, that's when you know the power level's in your story are messed up. Something else to consider, you'd either have to get rid of the gate's all together or really nerf it down especially the eighth gate. Also, rikudo chakra REALLY messed it up for the future unless you tell stories where Naruto and Sasuke are dead that shit is wayyy too haxx. Naruto and Sasuke shouldn't be so strong no one can touch them, that's the only reason the ootsusuki clan was invented because Kishi needed more powerful enemies.

Now, how strong do you think the absolute strongest someone should of been allowed to be?

The strongest character in the series should be capable of fighting one Tailed Beast. Meaning, there should be a multiple range of strong characters in the series.

 

[hatake axel]

I'm gonna argue with you on this a little bit. Here's the scenario: 1 uchiha with 3tomoe stands 10ft from a hyuuga with byakugan active, all their physical stats and skills are equalized this is a taijutsu only fight so basically the advantages their dojutsu gives them in taijutsu will determine the winner. Since the uchiha can predict movements if all stats are equalized how is the hyuuga going to hit him? This is what i'm talking about:

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They can literally see the opponents next move and because of this i'd put 3tomoe uchiha above or equal with the hyuuga in taijutsu even tho the hyuuga have a deadlier style.

Also 3 tomoe wasn't rare just look at how many sharingan obito has from the massacre:

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And this is how you win an argument
Hyuga also had some precognitions skills, as shown in Kidomaru vs Neji.
But it was nowhere near this level.
That precognition should indeed give the Uchiha the upperhand.
Well played man

 

[itsxtrayy]

And this is how you win an argument
Hyuga also had some precognitions skills, as shown in Kidomaru vs Neji.
But it was nowhere near this level.
That precognition should indeed give the Uchiha the upperhand.
Well played man

Thanks, and this is just 3tomoe we know from Sasuke's feats that as the sharingan evolves so does it's precog ability. Once ms and ems get involved, it's really no contest for most ninja to fight them in cqc. Only people like Kimimaro, Guy, Killer Bee, Raikage etc... can effectively face them and sage mode users.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Thanks, and this is just 3tomoe we know from Sasuke's feats that as the sharingan evolves so does it's precog ability. Once ms and ems get involved, it's really no contest for most ninja to fight them in cqc. Only people like Kimimaro, Guy, Killer Bee, Raikage etc... can effectively face them and sage mode users.

That because they add the genjutis

 

[unknownvillain1254]

No chill.

The Hyuuga destroy the Uchiha in CQC without MS anyway.

OT: Uchiha specialise in fire jutsu & ninja tools so I'd say close-mid range fighters primarily. Long range, they'd be easy enough to dodge.

But the Hyuga clan can just run through Ninja tools and if the uchiha overused a fire technique they be out of chakra