Sasuke=Rusty Naruto???

[Dantee]

How does he obviously have the reserves? If anything, it's obvious that he wouldn't have that large of a chakra reserve. To even suggest that adult Sasuke's chakra reserves are anywhere near what it was after absorbing the bijuu chakra at vote2 is taking fapping to another level.

Quality over quantity gg

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kishimoto says otherwise :Sparks:

Sure he does.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Naruto> sasuke
Naruto=sasuke and bijuu.

Just like how
Hashirama> Madara
Hashirama=madara and kurama.

Wrong! It's the opposite in Naruto and Sasuke's case.

Sasuke > Naruto
Sasuke = Naruto + Kurama

 

[The Demon Hawk]

No. He has 100% Kurama battery under that armor, that's probably more chakra than he stole from the bijuus at VOTE2.

More chakra? When did the chakra quantity become a factor in the formation of BPS? The only thing BPS is reliant on is the quality of chakra (chakra potency), not quantity, so Kurama having more chakra is irrelevant.

And Kurama's chakra quality is inferior to Juubi's chakra (9 bijuus combined chakra which Sasuke attained at VOTE). It's even inferior to Sasuke's own Six Paths chakra (given to him by Hagoromo who directly inherited it from the Juubi i.e. Kaguya).

People seem to forget that Naruto's has the ability to boost people's chakra as well.

An inferior chakra cannot boost a superior chakra.

I'll put it like this-
1. Sasuke 1st showed PS here

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directly linked to Naruto's chakra, he even enhances it more by adding senjutsu to the susano much like juugo did.

2. The 1st time he showed PS on his own was after he received half of Hagoromo's chakra

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3. The 1st and only time he used BPS on his own was at VOTE2 after he stole the bijuus chakra

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4. Kurama says that Sasuke is using his susano as a "container" for the bijuu chakra much like the Geo mazou does, well, in the Boruto movie we see Sasuke use his susano like armor for BM Naruto, in other words it was literally a container for 100% kurama and like I said before that's probably more chakra than what he stole at VOTE2.

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This part is not even worthy of countering since you lack even the basic understanding on this topic. Not to mention that what is is trying to deliver is false.

So unless you're telling me that Sasuke somehow amassed that large of a chakra reservoir over the years then no Sasuke isn't creating BPS without the bijuus, no matter how far you reach.

As I told you, the quantity of chakra is completely irrelevant. The power/potency of the chakra decides how powerful Sasuke's Susanoo will be, which is also the factor in determining whether Sasuke can create BPS or not.

And yes, Sasuke can create BPS because his Six Paths chakra which is Hagoromo's chakra is equivalent to the Juubi's chakra (which is required to create BPS) because it is directly inherited from the Juubi itself which is Kaguya.

 

[Warlocks]

Wrong! It's the opposite in Naruto and Sasuke's case.

Sasuke > Naruto
Sasuke = Naruto + Kurama

8.5 biju+rinnegan+sharingan sasuke=half kurama+rsm(ne)naruto
this happen in manga agree or disagree it up to you but you this happen in manga
no matter how much you trie you can't change the manga

 

[ANiMUS]

8.5 biju+rinnegan+sharingan sasuke=half kurama+rsm(ne)naruto
this happen in manga agree or disagree it up to you but you this happen in manga
no matter how much you trie you can't change the manga

But Kishimoto can and Sasuke (no bijuu)=Naruto now =D

Also I have an obligation to neg rep anyone that I find with a red bar so I gotta neg rep you. Have a nice rest of your day :bye:

 

[Char Aznable]

And Goku = Vegeta, but we all know Goku is the superior of the two. Even now, when both have SSJGodSSJ.

Naruto = Sasuke is really, Naruto > Sasuke.

 

[ANiMUS]

And Goku = Vegeta, but we all know Goku is the superior of the two. Even now, when both have SSJGodSSJ.

Naruto = Sasuke is really, Naruto > Sasuke.

When was it said Goku = Vegeta :|

 

[Char Aznable]

When was it said Goku = Vegeta :|

The Buu Saga, GT and Battle of the Gods. All which proceed Super.

 

[Warlocks]

But Kishimoto can and Sasuke (no bijuu)=Naruto now =D

Also I have an obligation to neg rep anyone that I find with a red bar so I gotta neg rep you. Have a nice rest of your day :bye:

don't mind me and don't hold back on neg rep in this base who is not sasuke fan they get neg rep

 

[ANiMUS]

The Buu Saga, GT and Battle of the Gods. All which proceed Super.

Yeah can u show me where it is stated? Cuz when I watched it I only saw Vegeta desperate to reach Goku's level. And even if the are at the same lvl of Saiyan it wouldn't mean they were equals :|

don't mind me and don't hold back on neg rep in this base who is not sasuke fan they get neg rep

I dont discriminate. Everybody with a red bar gets negged.

Also GT isn't canon

 

[Netflix and Chill]

More chakra? When did the chakra quantity become a factor in the formation of BPS? The only thing BPS is reliant on is the quality of chakra (chakra potency), not quantity, so Kurama having more chakra is irrelevant.

Wut? It became a factor when Sasuke absorbed a shit ton of it from the bijuus at vote2 after receiving Hagoromo's chakra and already possessing potent chakra. Lol seriously that was just a dumb question and then you make it even worse by saying the "only" thing BPS is reliant on is potent chakra and not quantity??? Really bro? 1st off, that's wrong and 2nd, that's really presumptuous so now I'm gunna be a jerk and ask for scans to back up that statement plz =D. Until then, my point still stands.

And Kurama's chakra quality is inferior to Juubi's chakra (9 bijuus combined chakra which Sasuke attained at VOTE). It's even inferior to Sasuke's own Six Paths chakra (given to him by Hagoromo who directly inherited it from the Juubi i.e. Kaguya).

That's cool.

An inferior chakra cannot boost a superior chakra.

Oh but it can and it did as I have already provided evidence for. You mind doing the same?

This part is not even worthy of countering since you lack even the basic understanding on this topic. Not to mention that what is is trying to deliver is false.

So, basically you can't fight the facts so you dance your way around it lol nice.

As I told you, the quantity of chakra is completely irrelevant. The power/potency of the chakra decides how powerful Sasuke's Susanoo will be, which is also the factor in determining whether Sasuke can create BPS or not.

There you go with that retarded logic again...

And yes, Sasuke can create BPS because his Six Paths chakra which is Hagoromo's chakra is equivalent to the Juubi's chakra (which is required to create BPS) because it is directly inherited from the Juubi itself which is Kaguya.

Oh boy, why didn't he create it himself at vote2 then? Why did he have to use vast amounts of bijuu chakra? After all, according to you, Sasuke already had the power to create BPS on his own so he wouldn't have needed the bijuu chakra right? Why are you using this retarded logic?

 

[Char Aznable]

Yeah can u show me where it is stated? Cuz when I watched it I only saw Vegeta desperate to reach Goku's level. And even if the are at the same lvl of Saiyan it wouldn't mean they were equals :|

Didn't Sasuke do the exact same thing to surpass Naruto and Itachi, back in Part 1?


When Vegeta accepted Babadi's possession, Goku and Vegeta became equals in power (base, SSJ, and SSJ2). As far as fighting ability goes, Vegeta has always been stated and shown to be on par with Goku. They're Saiyan battle sense and lust for battle + the number of fights both have had, made them elites.

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Recall also, that you need to be on par or even in order to execute a successful fusion. Something Goku and Vegeta have done with earrings and with the dance.

 

[ANiMUS]

Didn't Sasuke do the exact same thing to surpass Naruto and Itachi, back in Part 1?


When Vegeta accepted Babadi's possession, Goku and Vegeta became equals in power (base, SSJ, and SSJ2). As far as fighting ability goes, Vegeta has always been stated and shown to be on par with Goku. They're Saiyan battle sense and lust for battle + the number of fights both have had, made them elites.

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Recall also, that you need to be on par or even in order to execute a successful fusion. Something Goku and Vegeta have done with earrings and with the dance.

That^ part was a lie since Goku was holding back against Vegeta (Goku still had SSJ3) and if I am not mistaken Goku lowered his power to make the fusion success full.

The only reason Goku doesn't use SSJ3 normally is because of the huge strain it puts on him

 

[Char Aznable]

That^ part was a lie since Goku was holding back against Vegeta (Goku still had SSJ3) and if I am not mistaken Goku lowered his power to make the fusion success full.

The only reason Goku doesn't use SSJ3 normally is because of the huge strain it puts on him

That part isn't exactly a lie. In-universe: Goku and Vegeta are equals up to SSJ2. Out-of-universe: at the time of this page in the manga was published SSJ3 didn't exist. What I mean by that, is Toriyama made up SSJ3, between the time he wrote this chapter and the time Goku debuted it a few chapters later. SSJ3 was originally going to be exclusive to Gotenks, and just be the way a fused SSJ looks. However, Toriyama's editors thought it would be cool to come up with another SSJ form to tease the upcoming Gotenks vs Buu fight.

Toriyama changed his mind A LOT during the Buu Saga. I could list them all but I won't.

Since SSJ forms work on a multiplier effect, Goku and Vegeta having access to several of the same SSJ forms (SSJ, ASSJ, SSJ2, SSG, SSJGSSJ) what makes them equal is their base forms being equal. Although, in Battle of the Gods, Vegeta's rage boost in SSJ2 from seeing Bulma get hurt put him put him above Beerus, who troll stomped SSJ3 Goku.


And no, Goku never lowered his power level to equal Vegeta. The reason both variety of fusions worked so well is because they were equal, super powerful and knowledgeable about combat and ki manipulation.

 

[ANiMUS]

That part isn't exactly a lie. In-universe: Goku and Vegeta are equals up to SSJ2. Out-of-universe: at the time of this page in the manga was published SSJ3 didn't exist. What I mean by that, is Toriyama made up SSJ3, between the time he wrote this chapter and the time Goku debuted it a few chapters later. SSJ3 was originally going to be exclusive to Gotenks, and just be the way a fused SSJ looks. However, Toriyama's editors thought it would be cool to come up with another SSJ form to tease the upcoming Gotenks vs Buu fight.

Toriyama changed his mind A LOT during the Buu Saga. I could list them all but I won't.

Since SSJ forms work on a multiplier effect, Goku and Vegeta having access to several of the same SSJ forms (SSJ, ASSJ, SSJ2, SSG, SSJGSSJ) what makes them equal is their base forms being equal. Although, in Battle of the Gods, Vegeta's rage boost in SSJ2 from seeing Bulma get hurt put him put him above Beerus, who troll stomped SSJ3 Goku.


And no, Goku never lowered his power level to equal Vegeta. The reason both variety of fusions worked so well is because they were equal, super powerful and knowledgeable about combat and ki manipulation.

But if Toriyama gave Goku SSJ3 then that just means he retconned and still proved that statement false.

Regardless I am going to get off DBZ since I don't think I have watched it since I was like 13. That is waaaaayy too long for me to remember anything about that series.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Wut? It became a factor when Sasuke absorbed a shit ton of it from the bijuus at vote2

Only the chakra quality became a factor. Not chakra quantity.

BTW, using the quantification "shit ton" is idiotic because we don't know how much chakra he absorbed. He needed enough to perform his technique, that's all.

after receiving Hagoromo's chakra and already possessing potent chakra.

LOL. You're talking like Sasuke received Hagoromo's chakra just then and didn't use any of it against Madara and Kaguya and partly Naruto, which is equivalent to being ignorant of course.

Lol seriously that was just a dumb question and then you make it even worse by saying the "only" thing BPS is reliant on is potent chakra and not quantity??? Really bro? 1st off, that's wrong

It's not wrong at all. Chakra potency is what decides the power of any technique. Chakra quantity decides for how long or how many times can you perform that technique. Pretty simple, obvious and logical concept... Chakra quantity decides the usage of the technique, not its power. So as long as you have sufficient chakra to perform a technique, chakra quantity becomes a non-factor.

and 2nd, that's really presumptuous so now I'm gunna be a jerk and ask for scans to back up that statement plz =D. Until then, my point still stands.

Why does something so logical needs manga scans to back up? It's pretty obvious and a general manga fact that the strength of the chakra is always what has decided the power of any technique.

Let me give you an example anyway since you don't know anything. Senjutsu empowers the chakra potency of a Sage Mode user, not the chakra quantity (quantity of chakra either remains same or is decreased, but not increased). And all of his/her techniques are empowered. Naruto absorbed a shitload of natural energy at VOTE to empower his Kurama Avatar, and natural energy adds to the chakra potency of the user, not the chakra quantity.

Let me give you another very simple example. Sasuke's Chidori remains same power when he is full on chakra and when he is very low on chakra, which implies that chakra quantity means nothing as long as you have sufficient chakra. His Chidori only increases in power when he goes to CM state due to increase in chakra quality, since we've already seen that chakra quantity does not affect Chidori, otherwise Sasuke's Chidori would have been weakened when he was out of chakra.

Another example... The power of Naruto's Rasengan remains same when he uses it himself and when he uses it with one of his 20 clones. If the power depended upon chakra quantity, then Naruto's clone's Rasengan should be 1/20th the power of his original Rasengan, which is not the case.

And why does your point stand without you providing any proof? Why am I the only one with that burden? Your statements are based off nothing. You are equally as bound to provide manga scans to support your point. Or just give any example to support your point.

That's cool.

Yeah, that's cool. But the point of that is to imply something relevant to the topic, which you supposedly missed.

Oh but it can and it did as I have already provided evidence for. You mind doing the same?

You did not provide any evidence. And yes, I provided the evidence (above) even though it was already pretty obvious.

So, basically you can't fight the facts so you dance your way around it lol nice.

Me? LOL. You're the one on whom that sentence actually fits. No evidence to prove your point, but still resolute on your point. Pathetic!

And since you're so whiny about it, I'll go ahead and reply to that part (see the spoiler below).

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I'll put it like this-
1. Sasuke 1st showed PS here

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directly linked to Naruto's chakra, he even enhances it more by adding senjutsu to the susano much like juugo did.

False! Sasuke created Perfect Susanoo ENTIRELY on his own, not with Naruto's chakra. Where is the proof of "Sasuke linking with Naruto's chakra"?

2. The 1st time he showed PS on his own was after he received half of Hagoromo's chakra

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Wrong! The first time he should his PS was against Juubito.

3. The 1st and only time he used BPS on his own was at VOTE2 after he stole the bijuus chakra

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Yeah, but not because he needs the bijuus' chakra. Already explained this...

4. Kurama says that Sasuke is using his susano as a "container" for the bijuu chakra much like the Geo mazou does,

True.

well, in the Boruto movie we see Sasuke use his susano like armor for BM Naruto, in other words it was literally a container for 100% kurama

Wrong logic! Plus, it has no relevance to what Kurama said.

and like I said before that's probably more chakra than what he stole at VOTE2.

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Flawed logic again! Quantity of chakra is irrelevant. Already countered this dumb argument...

There you go with that retarded logic again...

Prove my logic to be "retarded" with logical and factual explanation. I don't need your certification and acceptance.

Oh boy, why didn't he create it himself at vote2 then? Why did he have to use vast amounts of bijuu chakra? After all, according to you, Sasuke already had the power to create BPS on his own so he wouldn't have needed the bijuu chakra right?

He didn't have sufficient Six Paths chakra... Wasn't that obvious? Yeah, it was obvious. But only for a sensible and observant person. You are an ignorant person, so I'll have to step in and explain this as well. How bothersome...

After using Indra's Arrow, Sasuke was weakened AF and was unable to control his powers due to lack of chakra. But why did he lack chakra? After all, he didn't use his own chakra for BPS and Indra's Arrow, right? The answer is pretty obvious i.e. he didn't have enough chakra already. Sasuke's OWN chakra reserves were completely UNAFFECTED in the usage of BPS and Indra's Arrow, so him lacking chakra after using Indra's Arrow implied that his chakra was lacking even before using Indra's Arrow.

Why are you using this retarded logic?

I already said. Call my logic "retarted" AFTER you provide any sensible proof in support of your illogical argument. Saying Kurama's chakra empowers Sasuke's Susanoo to the same extent as Juubi's chakra is the dumbest thing ever. And saying that Sasuke can't create BPS with a stronger chakra but Kurama can with a weaker chakra is just as dumb.

8.5 biju+rinnegan+sharingan sasuke=half kurama+rsm(ne)naruto
this happen in manga agree or disagree it up to you but you this happen in manga
no matter how much you trie you can't change the manga

I'll feel a bit degraded if I counter this bulls***. All I'll say is that your understanding is pathetic and your red bar is justified.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Wrong! It's the opposite in Naruto and Sasuke's case.

Sasuke > Naruto
Sasuke = Naruto + Kurama

I'll play your game.

Naruto + kurama>sasuke
Naruto+kurama=Sasuke+bijuu

doesn't change a thing.

 

[ComplexCity]

But if Toriyama gave Goku SSJ3 then that just means he retconned and still proved that statement false.

Regardless I am going to get off DBZ since I don't think I have watched it since I was like 13. That is waaaaayy too long for me to remember anything about that series.

Actually a Youtuber said an enrage SSJ2 Vegeta was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but idk how true that is

 

[The Demon Hawk]

I'll play your game.

Naruto + kurama>sasuke
Naruto+kurama=Sasuke+bijuu

doesn't change a thing.

Wrong again...

Naruto + Kurama = Sasuke
Naruto + Kurama <= Sasuke + Bijuus