PS Ranking from the manga

[Brooks]

Where's your proof of it packing blows? other than indra's arrow.

Because Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo is packing teratons(which is trillion tons of TNT) while Kakashi's PS hasn't shown a decent feat much less a one on par with Sasuke's PS.

Kaguya fodderized both of them so they're about the same in my eyes.

So, if Kaguya withstands the impact of both Rasengan and Bijūdama...they must on the same level?

That kind of logic isn't going to help your argument.

 

[Ambivalence]

Lmao, Simba. ''Kaguya wrecked them both, so they're equal, hurr''. :lol

1. Prior to their powerup, EMS Sasuke already had more chakra than MS Kakashi based on him showing zero fatigue despite dishing out multiple high-taxing techniques.

2. Sasuke gained half of Rikudou's power directly from him. Kakashi has a portion of non-Shinju JJ Madara's chakra, the chakra that Obito took earlier. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which amount is...:

-greater in quality
-greater in quantity

...plus adding the fact that Sasuke's was already greater makes him almost a tier above DMS Kakashi.

3. Kakashi's power was out in like 5 minutes, after materializing PS once and using a Rikudou Chidori. Sasuke rematerialized his PS 4 times after his powerup, in combination of using Amenotejikara dozens of times, Amaterasu, Enton, and later still had enough chakra to fight on par with RSM Naruto.

 

[To Whatever]

Because Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo is packing teratons(which is trillion tons of TNT) while Kakashi's PS hasn't shown a decent feat much less a one on par with Sasuke's PS.



So, if Kaguya withstands the impact of both Rasengan and Bijūdama...they must on the same level?

That kind of logic isn't going to help your argument.

How big is this rasengan? Are they of the same quality and size?

DMS PS did move faster to save Sakura than Sasuke could Ameno her.

It can also create Kamui Warping shurikens and tools. and can phase through any attacks PS can throw at him. What is teratons to something that isn't even on the same plane as the attack?

Lmao, Simba. ''Kaguya wrecked them both, so they're equal, hurr''. :lol

1. Prior to their powerup, EMS Sasuke already had more chakra than MS Kakashi based on him showing zero fatigue despite dishing out multiple high-taxing techniques.

2. Sasuke gained half of Rikudou's power directly from him. Kakashi has a portion of non-Shinju JJ Madara's chakra, the chakra that Obito took earlier. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which amount is...:

-greater in quality
-greater in quantity

...plus adding the fact that Sasuke's was already greater makes him almost a tier above DMS Kakashi.

3. Kakashi's power was out in like 5 minutes, after materializing PS once and using a Rikudou Chidori. Sasuke rematerialized his PS 4 times after his powerup, in combination of using Amenotejikara dozens of times, Amaterasu, Enton, and later still had enough chakra to fight on par with RSM Naruto.

JJ Madara stated to have both Sasuke and Naruto's powers. Not to mention The Sage said he's closer to Kaguya than he is himself or indra didn't he?

I mean if you give DMS PS 5 minutes then no shit, Sasuke's PS is better.

But give DMS PS the reserves he would have if JJ Obito used it and then it's a fight.

 

[Omar19992010]

0. Itachi Perfect Susano'o (Totsuka blade and Yata Mirror GG)
1. Bijuu Perfect Susano'o
2. JJ Madara Perfect Susano'o
3. Sasuke Ordinary Perfect Susano'o
4. Kakashi Perfect Susano'o
5. EMS Madara Perfect Susano'o
6. EMS Sasuke Perfect Susano'o​

 

[Brooks]

How big is this rasengan? Are they of the same quality and size?

Say the Rasengan that was created by Bijū Mode Minato or possibly Naruto? Do you believe they produce the same impact?
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DMS PS did move faster to save Sakura than Sasuke could Ameno her.

Except, as soon as Sasuke focused his eye sight on Sakura...Kakashi came at the same time.

Please, feel free to explain to me how that make Kakashi PS faster.​

It can also create Kamui Warping shurikens and tools. and can phase through any attacks PS can throw at him. What is teratons to something that isn't even on the same plane as the attack?

Well, lets see how this attacks do against Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo.

1. Kamui Shurikens aren't fast enough to catch Sasuke's PS as he was able to out run the light from the Mugen Tsukuyomi.

2. Kamui Shurikens are pocket dimension attack (the technique by no means can is it intangible attack) nor can Kakashi's PS go intangible.

3. Well, teraton is attack capable of Continental destructive power and not being on the same plane as the other attack is irrelevant as it's incapable of hit the target.​

 

[To Whatever]

Say the Rasengan that was created by Bijū Mode Minato or possibly Naruto? Do you believe they produce the same impact?
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Except, as soon as Sasuke focused his eye sight on Sakura...Kakashi came at the same time.

Please, feel free to explain to me how that make Kakashi PS faster.​

Well, lets see how this attacks do against Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo.

1. Kamui Shurikens aren't fast enough to catch Sasuke's PS as he was able to out run the light from the Mugen Tsukuyomi.

2. Kamui Shurikens are pocket dimension attack (the technique by no means can is it intangible attack) nor can Kakashi's PS go intangible.

3. Well, teraton is attack capable of Continental destructive power and not being on the same plane as the other attack is irrelevant as it's incapable of hit the target.​

Why cant he phase his PS?

 

[Brooks]

Why cant he phase his PS?

As an Kakashi himself going through Sasuke's PS? Of course he can do that.

The Point of the topic was to talk about their Perfect Susanoo instead of Kakashi's intangibility.​

 

[To Whatever]

As an Kakashi himself going through Sasuke's PS? Of course he can do that.

The Point of the topic was to talk about their Perfect Susanoo instead of Kakashi's intangibility.​

But DMS PS utilizes Kamui...

 

[Chaosmark101]

But DMS PS utilizes Kamui...

Only through his shuriken though, kakashi never made his whole Susanoo intangible.

I'm kinda late but... The strongest Susanoo should be JJ Madara's followed by Sasuke then the rest

 

[Brooks]

But DMS PS utilizes Kamui...

Kakashi's Kamui shurikens are pocket dimension (which is offense Kamui), while his intangibility is defense Kamui.

If Kakashi was capable of turning his whole Susanoo intangible, then he would have done so against Kaguya Ash bones instead of turning himself intangible.

 

[lndra]

These lists are dumb now considering there's only one Uchiha left who has PS -- And he's the strongest version of them all.

 

[To Whatever]

Kakashi's Kamui shurikens are pocket dimension (which is offense Kamui), while his intangibility is defense Kamui.

If Kakashi was capable of turning his whole Susanoo intangible, then he would have done so against Kaguya Ash bones instead of turning himself intangible.

She probably expected that.

Her destroying PS made him seem vulnerable. That's how he landed a hit.

 

[Brooks]

She probably expected that.

Her destroying PS made him seem vulnerable. That's how he landed a hit.

But why not make his whole Susanoo intangible, then attack her while she is shocked and take advantage of that moment? After all, that's how he was able to attack Kaguya...by attacking her from witnessing his intangibility power.

 

[King Of Pop]

kakashi making his ps intangible is fanfiction.. he could put its power in its weapons doesnt mean he cant use it to effect the soosano itself

 

[Ambivalence]

JJ Madara stated to have both Sasuke and Naruto's powers.

Not sure if serious. Madara's individual halves of the two powers aren't as potent as Naruto's RSM and Sasuke's 6T, not to mention that was Shinjuu-absorbed Madara that said it. Even disregarding that, Naruto and Sasuke were spanking Madara and forced him to go take his second Rinnegan, so by your statement he should've beaten them easily, right?

Comparing a portion of non-Shinjuu JJ Madara's chakra to Sasuke's half of Rikudou's power is simply ludicrous, so I'm not gonna address this any further.

Not to mention The Sage said he's closer to Kaguya than he is himself or indra didn't he?

Yeah, which was before he handed them their powerups. Obviously he knew that combining the reincarnation's power with his own two halves would be plenty to stop Madara, especially since it was nearly enough to stop Kaguya herself.

I mean if you give DMS PS 5 minutes then no shit, Sasuke's PS is better.

But give DMS PS the reserves he would have if JJ Obito used it and then it's a fight.

What? :lol. So you're basically arguing for a fanfic DMS Kakashi? Because his power ran out in canon after a single PS usage, so I'm using the canon material to prove how his chakra level (and thus, PS) isn't near to equal to Sasuke's.

Are you even serious with the last part? Give Sasuke Kamehameha and he can wipe out NV, what's your point? By the way, Adult Sasuke's PS would still be stronger than a hypothetical JJ Obito's, though the difference would definitely be small.

 

[To Whatever]

Not sure if serious. Madara's individual halves of the two powers aren't as potent as Naruto's RSM and Sasuke's 6T, not to mention that was Shinjuu-absorbed Madara that said it. Even disregarding that, Naruto and Sasuke were spanking Madara and forced him to go take his second Rinnegan, so by your statement he should've beaten them easily, right?

Comparing a portion of non-Shinjuu JJ Madara's chakra to Sasuke's half of Rikudou's power is simply ludicrous, so I'm not gonna address this any further.



Yeah, which was before he handed them their powerups. Obviously he knew that combining the reincarnation's power with his own two halves would be plenty to stop Madara, especially since it was nearly enough to stop Kaguya herself.



What? :lol. So you're basically arguing for a fanfic DMS Kakashi? Because his power ran out in canon after a single PS usage, so I'm using the canon material to prove how his chakra level (and thus, PS) isn't near to equal to Sasuke's.

Are you even serious with the last part? Give Sasuke Kamehameha and he can wipe out NV, what's your point? By the way, Adult Sasuke's PS would still be stronger than a hypothetical JJ Obito's, though the difference would definitely be small.

How is someone who is the jin of all the bijuu and absorbed the Tree itself, not having a chakra potency on par if not greater than Naruto and Sasuke's? That very body turned into Kaguya and she was shitting on Sasuke's PS and warping dimensions.

You and I both know Kishimoto had to restrict Madara then kill him off. He got nerfed just like Kaguya did, probably worse given his disposition. The very moment he gained the second rinnegan those two should have died. In reality, their power wasn't enough to stop Kaguya. It took a deus ex machina event (Kakashi using PS) and a plot necessary brain fart from Kaguya for them to seal her. JJ Madara, tree infused and Kaguya are above any form of Naruto and Sasuke in the series.

You guys make some weird leaps in logic, How is giving DMS PS the benefit of removing it's time limit akin to Sasuke having a DBZ ability? I mean yeah, technically both are fanfic but even then that's a bit much.

I wasn't looking at how long the modes lasted, rather the Perfect Susanoo themselves. DMS PS's limitations is due to the user and not the PS itself. I believe DMS PS holds to utility to be on par with it. It's Size and speed is around the same as Sasuke's From what we've seen. Not to mention that going by Naruto's words, it's impressive no doubt and holds Kamui shape manipulation.

Saying, "give X, this ability and it would be on par" was wrong of me as the same would have to apply to the other PS on the list as well. What I meant was disregarding their limitations of chakra, if they were to fight, which would be destroyed first.

The Bijuu infused PS from VOTE 2 is stronger than any form of PS shown in the series other than Indra's PS maybe.

Sasuke's regular one is the one i'm talking about, the one used against Kaguya and in the gaiden. That one in particular I believe DMS PS could fight and even win with.