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Pretty much the bold. I'm sure if it reached the point where they were trying to stage a rebellion, most of those few thousand would duck the **** out and those stars would smooth act like they weren't associated with the movement.
It really depends.

See, I was called absolutely crazy a little over a year ago when I outlined exactly what these groups were planning to do - including the whole bit about "separation."

The goal isn't exactly an independent nation. The goal is to establish something akin to the Palestinian Authority within the districts dominated by blacks. These 'Authorities' would have their own police force (the Black Panthers) that operates under its own set of laws that are largely independent. One could even look at them as something similar to the Cherokee Nation - except not a completely independent entity as they would still be the recipients of welfare beneficiary programs paid for by U.S. tax payers.

When you look at the movements in Ferguson and elsewhere, this was the objective. Police forces were given written demands by activist leaders that essentially served as fiat writs of law imposed via threat of mob violence. The goal was, basically, to expel State and Local authorities and seize control over the claimed region to become their own effective sovereign law.

... Which then promptly decided to burn down a few neighborhoods as a reminder that it could have been much worse if compliance wasn't met (which is, of course, false - a crackdown would have routed them pretty quick, but provided ample opportunity for 'police brutality' propaganda).

For the most part, they won't buy up large parts of land and try to move elsewhere to found a new nation. They will simply set fire to neighborhoods and begin racially motivated attacks upon civilians until people attempt to gift them the territory they want as a form of appeasement (because cracking down on that will always get spun as 'racism' - and everyone is afraid of being called a racist or flat-out blowing them all up in the middle of one of their rallies to put the fear of God/Allah/Aliens in them).

Look at the way the logic works - "this is our nation" and "everything here was built by slavery that we endured" - nothing about that pattern of thought suggests they will be keen on the idea of moving to the middle of nowhere and starting from scratch. They will lay claim to the homes, businesses, wealth, and people around them and argue that it should be theirs to decide what to do with.

That said, if they were to do such a thing - move out to the middle of nowhere and declare themselves independent - they would actually get a considerable amount of support from conservative groups should they come under attack from federal agents (look at the Bundy Ranch - there were a considerable number in the military, even who were in support of the armed civilians on the ground). There is a lot more animosity aimed toward the federal government, in general, these days for a variety of different reasons.

Granted - those are only unifying in the sense of people are tired of the way things currently are. Their ideas on what a more ideal system would look like are radically different and incompatible. Figures like King and Malcolm X were communist agents paid by the soviet union and served their cause well. Figures like Sanders will blend with that mentality quite nicely.

Conservatives divide between Nationalist and Constitutionalist lines. Nationalists tend to forget that the U.S. prior to 1930 was radically different than the U.S. that came out of the New Deal and the government-industrial complex of the Cold War. They want a return to a time when America was a world industry and technology leader with an economy that seemed to be reaching for the stars. They don't understand that the depression we feel today is precisely the result of the gimmicks used to create such a radical increase in apparent wealth.

Constitutionalists, for the most part, want to hit a massive reset button and throw out pretty much every federal construct since 1900 spare a few rights-based amendments - which would quite literally disembowel much of our current government as virtually every agency would be eliminated or restructured and reduced in its permissions.

There are several other views involved - but the net effect is that the U.S. is bound to split within our lifetimes. It will happen, and there will be wars, but a reunification will not occur through war as the ideology shift is simply too large. The South was willing to rejoin the North the first time because the difference was largely over government authority. The South set up a government that was very similar to what the U.S. Constitution established - they just believed the federal government should have less power and authority than it was exercising at the time - which was negatively impacting their economy and way of life. By the time they rejoined the union, much of their economy and way of life had already been permanently changed by the impacts of war - so it was really just an issue of swallowing one's pride.

The differences, now, are stark differences on what a government should be. You have socialists and borderline communists in one corner. You have nationalists with large centralized governments in another corner (with some bleed-through to socialism and Constitutionalism). Then you have Constitutionalists in another corner who want government bound and constrained to rigidly defined authorities (with some bleed-through to Nationalism).

You could also sub-divide the socialist group into Globalists and Nationalists. There are those who are still for the idea of a nation-state, and then there are those who are for the idea of completely eliminating nations in favor of globalized districts (Agenda 21 and all).

Toss in some of these groups like BLM/FYF/JOE - and while each and every one of them may have reason to unite against the federal government to some extent or another, not a one of them will agree upon what should replace it were it to be struck down.

The two who would come the closest are the Nationalists and the Constitutionalists - but even then, that is basically reviving the old debate between Federalists and Anti-Federalists back when the Constitution was first written - and that debate nearly sunk the fledgling U.S. at the time.
 

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It really depends.

See, I was called absolutely crazy a little over a year ago when I outlined exactly what these groups were planning to do - including the whole bit about "separation."

The goal isn't exactly an independent nation. The goal is to establish something akin to the Palestinian Authority within the districts dominated by blacks. These 'Authorities' would have their own police force (the Black Panthers) that operates under its own set of laws that are largely independent. One could even look at them as something similar to the Cherokee Nation - except not a completely independent entity as they would still be the recipients of welfare beneficiary programs paid for by U.S. tax payers.

When you look at the movements in Ferguson and elsewhere, this was the objective. Police forces were given written demands by activist leaders that essentially served as fiat writs of law imposed via threat of mob violence. The goal was, basically, to expel State and Local authorities and seize control over the claimed region to become their own effective sovereign law.

... Which then promptly decided to burn down a few neighborhoods as a reminder that it could have been much worse if compliance wasn't met (which is, of course, false - a crackdown would have routed them pretty quick, but provided ample opportunity for 'police brutality' propaganda).

For the most part, they won't buy up large parts of land and try to move elsewhere to found a new nation. They will simply set fire to neighborhoods and begin racially motivated attacks upon civilians until people attempt to gift them the territory they want as a form of appeasement (because cracking down on that will always get spun as 'racism' - and everyone is afraid of being called a racist or flat-out blowing them all up in the middle of one of their rallies to put the fear of God/Allah/Aliens in them).

Look at the way the logic works - "this is our nation" and "everything here was built by slavery that we endured" - nothing about that pattern of thought suggests they will be keen on the idea of moving to the middle of nowhere and starting from scratch. They will lay claim to the homes, businesses, wealth, and people around them and argue that it should be theirs to decide what to do with.

That said, if they were to do such a thing - move out to the middle of nowhere and declare themselves independent - they would actually get a considerable amount of support from conservative groups should they come under attack from federal agents (look at the Bundy Ranch - there were a considerable number in the military, even who were in support of the armed civilians on the ground). There is a lot more animosity aimed toward the federal government, in general, these days for a variety of different reasons.

Granted - those are only unifying in the sense of people are tired of the way things currently are. Their ideas on what a more ideal system would look like are radically different and incompatible. Figures like King and Malcolm X were communist agents paid by the soviet union and served their cause well. Figures like Sanders will blend with that mentality quite nicely.

Conservatives divide between Nationalist and Constitutionalist lines. Nationalists tend to forget that the U.S. prior to 1930 was radically different than the U.S. that came out of the New Deal and the government-industrial complex of the Cold War. They want a return to a time when America was a world industry and technology leader with an economy that seemed to be reaching for the stars. They don't understand that the depression we feel today is precisely the result of the gimmicks used to create such a radical increase in apparent wealth.

Constitutionalists, for the most part, want to hit a massive reset button and throw out pretty much every federal construct since 1900 spare a few rights-based amendments - which would quite literally disembowel much of our current government as virtually every agency would be eliminated or restructured and reduced in its permissions.

There are several other views involved - but the net effect is that the U.S. is bound to split within our lifetimes. It will happen, and there will be wars, but a reunification will not occur through war as the ideology shift is simply too large. The South was willing to rejoin the North the first time because the difference was largely over government authority. The South set up a government that was very similar to what the U.S. Constitution established - they just believed the federal government should have less power and authority than it was exercising at the time - which was negatively impacting their economy and way of life. By the time they rejoined the union, much of their economy and way of life had already been permanently changed by the impacts of war - so it was really just an issue of swallowing one's pride.

The differences, now, are stark differences on what a government should be. You have socialists and borderline communists in one corner. You have nationalists with large centralized governments in another corner (with some bleed-through to socialism and Constitutionalism). Then you have Constitutionalists in another corner who want government bound and constrained to rigidly defined authorities (with some bleed-through to Nationalism).

You could also sub-divide the socialist group into Globalists and Nationalists. There are those who are still for the idea of a nation-state, and then there are those who are for the idea of completely eliminating nations in favor of globalized districts (Agenda 21 and all).

Toss in some of these groups like BLM/FYF/JOE - and while each and every one of them may have reason to unite against the federal government to some extent or another, not a one of them will agree upon what should replace it were it to be struck down.

The two who would come the closest are the Nationalists and the Constitutionalists - but even then, that is basically reviving the old debate between Federalists and Anti-Federalists back when the Constitution was first written - and that debate nearly sunk the fledgling U.S. at the time.
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LOL so you're saying god kills people at the Grand Mosque so that they can have an honourable death? rofl at your reply
You don't understand religion do you? If one believes in a God then they also believe in a heaven. It's not whether or not God has anything to do with the deaths, it has to do with them dying at the moment they are closest to God (metaphorically), and Muslims believe one of those times is when a pilgrim is in the Grand Mosque.
 
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Given everything else you've seen in this thread... does that response really surprise you?

Keep in mind that the Nation of Islam is following a pattern of behavior very similar to Hamas in Palestine. Imagine a whole 'country' full of this guy.

Pakistan does the same thing in India and parts of China. It's kind of a theme among the followers of ye olde arab merchant.
Lmao. Can't believe he uses weather on one hand to suggest god will enforce justice and then suggests god is also killing muslims at the grand mosque in order to bring them to heaven (ridiculous).

But I have to disagree on a whole country of muslims who concur with these ideas. There'll only ever be so many radical muslims, you won't ever have a full country of them imo.
 

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" Soon after returning from a trip to Moscow in 1958, Rustin organized the first of King's famous marches on Washington. The official organ of the Communist Party, "The Worker,- - openly declared the march to be a Communist project. Although he left King's employ as secretary in 1961, Rustin was called upon by King to be second in command of the much larger march on Washington which took place on August 28, 1963.

Bayard Rustin's replacement in 1961 as secretary and advisor to King was Jack O'Dell, also known as Hunter Pitts O'Dell. According to official records, in 1962 Jack O'Dell was a member of the National Committee of the Communist Party, USA. He had been listed as a Communist Party member as early as 1956. O'Dell was also given the job of acting executive director for SCLC activities for the entire Southeast, according to the St. Louis "Globe-Democrat - -of October 26, 1962. At that time, there were still some patriots in the press corps, and word of O'Dell's party membership became known.

What did King do? Shortly after the negative news reports, King fired O'Dell with much fanfare. And he then, without the fanfare, "immediately hired him again- - as director of the New York office of the SCLC, as confirmed by the "Richmond News-Leader - -of September 27, 1963. In 1963 a Black man from Monroe, North Carolina named Robert Williams made a trip to Peking, China. Exactly 20 days before King's 1963 march on Washington, Williams successfully urged Mao Tse-Tung to speak out on behalf of King's movement. Mr. Williams was also around this time maintaining his primary residence in Cuba, from which he made regular broadcasts to the southern US, three times a week, from high-power AM transmitters in Havana under the title "Radio Free Dixie." In these broadcasts, he urged violent attacks by Blacks against White Americans.

During this period, Williams wrote a book entitled "Negroes With Guns." The writer of the foreword for this book? None other than Martin Luther King, Jr. It is also interesting to note that the editors and publishers of this book were to a man all supporters of the infamous Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

According to King's biographer and sympathizer David J. Garrow, "King privately described himself as a Marxist." In his 1981 book, "The FBI and Martin Luther King, Jr.", Garrow quotes King as saying in SCLC staff meetings, "...we have moved into a new era, which must be an era of revolution.... The whole structure of American life must be changed.... We are engaged in the class struggle." "


Our crazy little friend who started this thread does have a point.

What King began to preach later on in his career was a communist revolution.

You'll find the following quite interesting:

" In 1922, the Russian Comintern provided $300,000 for the spreading of communist propaganda among Negroes. In 1925, the Communist Party U.S.A. told its members:

"The aim of our Party in our work among the Negro masses is to create a powerful proletarian movement which will fight and lead the struggle of the Negro race against the exploitation and oppression in every form and which will be a militant part of the revolutionary movement of the whole American working class ... and connect them with the struggles of national minorities and colonial peoples of all the world and thereby the cause of world revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat." "


This is all written down. Every bit of what is playing out, today, has been written down for nearly a hundred years as part of an operational plan with the goal of inciting a communist revolution.

" In 1925, a dozen blacks were recruited for propaganda training in Russia. That same year, the American Negro Labor Congress was established. In 1930, they changed their name to the League of Struggle for Negro Rights. They merged with the United Negro Congress when it was founded in 1936 in Washington, D.C. By 1940, communists made up two-thirds of its membership. In 1947, they united with the Civil Rights Congress, a communist front group.

In a 1928 pamphlet by John Pepper (alias for Joseph Pogany) called American Negro Problems, a move was being made by Stalin to ferment revolution and stir the blacks into creating a separate Republic for the Negro. Another pamphlet put out by the New York Communist Party in 1935, called The Negroes in a Soviet America, urged the blacks to rise up and form a Soviet State in the South by applying for admission to the Comintern. It contained a firm pledge that a revolt would be supported by all American communists and liberals. On page 48, it said that the Soviet Government would give the blacks more benefits than they would give to the whites, and "any act of discrimination or prejudice against the Negro would become a crime under the revolutionary law."

In The Communist Party: A Manual On Organization by J. Peters, he writes:

"The other important ally of the American proletariat is their mass of 13,000,000 Negro people in their struggle against national oppression. The Communist Party, as the revolutionary party of the proletariat, is the only party which is courageously and resolutely carrying on a struggle against the double exploitation and national oppression of the Negro people, becoming intense with the developing crisis, [and] can win over the great masses of the Negro people as allies of the Proletariat against the American bourgeosie."

In James Cannon's America's Road to Socialism, he says that the Negroes:

"...will play a great and decisive role in the revolution ... And why shouldn't they be? They have nothing to lose but their poverty and discrimination, and a whole world of prosperity, freedom, and equality to gain. You can bet your boots the Negro will join the Revolution to fight for that -- once it becomes clear to them that it cannot be gained except by revolution." "


...

" Julia Brown, a former Communist, said:

"We were told to promote Martin Luther King to unite Negroes and also Whites behind him ... He was taking directions from Communists. I know for a fact the Communists would never have promoted him, financed him, and supported him if they couldn't trust him. I am certain as I can be that he knew what he was doing." "


The FBI's investigation into King is officially sealed and we have only the testimony of those who were involved in the probe. History has afforded this to mean the investigation was, itself, a failure to find evidence - but considering the environment at the time, a legal prosecution of King would have resulted in riots.

Even the investigation into King's assassination was hasty and done unjustly.



The blame is quickly placed on counter-intel programs... however, I wonder if that is the complete picture.

" 5. Two other witnesses saw someone leaving the boarding house bathroom. One witness, Bessie Brewer, the owner of the boarding house, could not identify the individual and refused to identify Ray as the man she had rented a room to. The other witness, Stephens' common law wife Grace, said she did get a good look at him, and that it was definitely not James Earl Ray. Grace's drunken husband became the preferred witness. Grace was committed to a mental institution. According to her lawyer, C.M. Murphy, she was committed illegally, and after she was committed, the Memphis prosecutors removed her records from the hospital. After years of imprisonment under heavy sedation, Grace still refused to recant her story.

6. In addition to Brewer, two other witnesses at the boarding house insisted that the man who rented Ray's room looked nothing like James Earl Ray. "


Most critically, the weapon owned by James Earl Ray was not the one used to kill King, as later evidenced by forensics.

The problem with this all being purely a government setup is the number of people who would have to know it was a government setup. That is a failure to understand counter-intelligence programs and operations.

King already made a number of enemies. He was embezzling money from the organization to fund his sexual escapades, which was beginning to wear on a number of those close to him and it threatened to undermine the entire image of the movement if it got out. This would not only upset his followers, but also his handlers within the communist party (which the FBI had infiltrated). King was also butting heads with the Nation of Islam - he was growing closer in association to Malcolm X, who had separated from the NOI in part because of its racist undertones - and the two of them aligned would jeopardize the NOI's standing within the black population.

Thus, we have three major players who are focusing on King.

The Communist Party.

The Nation of Islam.

And the FBI.

The FBI can't form a legal case without inciting riots. The Nation of Islam had successfully assassinated Malcolm X, but was caught in the process. They lacked the subtlety necessary to preserve their public image. The Communist Party preferred to operate through front groups and to organize militants by proxy (Malcolm X's conversion to Sunni Islam would not have gone over well in the Kremlin).

Thus, we have an alignment of interests. The FBI is able to smooth over the investigation to keep the NOI from being implicated so long as they can come up with a halfway coherent plan and convince their people that it was their doing and the plants in the Communist Party plant the idea in the heads of Communist Leaders who then believe it was their idea.

This leads to a natural compartmentalization of who knows what and exploits common interests to produce a result. In a sense - the FBI would have given both the CPUSA and the NOI reason to believe they could carry out a successful assassination, and the FBI simply worked the investigation to fit the martyr narrative.

Which may sound horrible, but they did engineer a peaceful end to King's career and forever immortalize him as a civil rights leader who stood for justice. The white-washing of King's life was only aided by the FBI's decision to seal records of its probe into King's life. Frankly - the King we know and celebrate, today, is almost entirely a construct of the government and decades of overly optimistic media reporting.

The real Martin Luther King Jr. was a marxist agitator who saw non-violence as a tactical ploy within a more grand process of revolution. He was no more a pacifist than Mao.
 

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You don't understand religion do you? If one believes in a God then they also believe in a heaven. It's not whether or not God has anything to do with the deaths, it has to do with them dying at the moment they are closest to God (metaphorically), and Muslims believe one of those times is when a pilgrim is in the Grand Mosque.
The irony is that the statement "God will judge by the weather" - and then multiple people being killed while worshiping at the Ka'aba due to a lightning strike.

If I were God, I'd have a bit of fun with false prophets. When they make such claims as "God will send harsh weather as judgment" - blasting a bunch of his fellow cultists at their most religiously significant location with lightning is exactly what I'd do. "Oh, okay - here, here's some judgment for you sociopaths."

Basically being a lesson that Islam is a false religion and God is simply showing signs as to the judgment hanging over the heads of those who will not repent.

Lmao. Can't believe he uses weather on one hand to suggest god will enforce justice and then suggests god is also killing muslims at the grand mosque in order to bring them to heaven (ridiculous).
Well, if they want to die at the Ka'aba so badly, I'll just let them know when I capture some of our old ICBMs in the coming revolution. I'll give them a date and a time where they can die very close to God after I've rebuilt the warheads to function without the detonation codes. A few 5 megaton MIRVs aught to saturate the area well enough to get rid of a few million or so in an instant.

In sha allah, right? If allah wills it, then my rebuilt warheads will fail, or the missiles will not launch.

The sad thing is that while I'm speaking in hyperbole, I'm kind of not really joking, either.

But I have to disagree on a whole country of muslims who concur with these ideas. There'll only ever be so many radical muslims, you won't ever have a full country of them imo.
The pattern is both historical and distinguished. This is exactly how Islam functions throughout the ages.

While not every single believer in every single society may adopt those specific beliefs - the reality is that enough of them will live and breed under a society governed by 'radicals' to ensure there is a continual supply of young, agitated, suicidal warriors willing to harass those around them.

The problem is that the 'radicalization' is across a continuum. You can continue blowing up the 'radicals' - but that only gives further credence to Islam's inherent "we are victims" mentality espoused within the culture - which inspires a self-defense response. The 'moderates' will overwhelmingly choose to defend the 'radicals' over the non-muslims. There are few exceptions to this, and even many of those come with the cost of being a dhimmi - a sort of property to be fought over by rival mafia leaders.

Thus, the net effect is that the entire country is 'radical' as there exists no clear means of distinguishing the 'radical' from the 'moderate' - particularly when those views exist along a continuum or are subject to being emotional outbursts.

I get a fair number of hostile responses from peaceful, moderate muslims who want nothing more than for me to die.

Granted - I've more or less stated that Islam needs to be wiped off the face of the planet and all those who are unwilling to turn from it killed - so it's not like it's completely unprovoked on their part. Still, it's often in the form of an emotional outburst that echoes Farrakhan's remarks on the Qu'ran and revenge. Even when not calling for the elimination of Islam - I get some fun responses from people when you go through the evidence-based approach of illustrating Muhammad to be a liar and a false prophet.

You may be just fine being a Christian among a hundred 'moderate' muslims... until you say anything critical of Muhammad ... then you may just get a hundred death threats all of a sudden from people who used to smile at you and greet you warmly.
 

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The irony is that the statement "God will judge by the weather" - and then multiple people being killed while worshiping at the Ka'aba due to a lightning strike.

If I were God, I'd have a bit of fun with false prophets. When they make such claims as "God will send harsh weather as judgment" - blasting a bunch of his fellow cultists at their most religiously significant location with lightning is exactly what I'd do. "Oh, okay - here, here's some judgment for you sociopaths."

Basically being a lesson that Islam is a false religion and God is simply showing signs as to the judgment hanging over the heads of those who will not repent.



Well, if they want to die at the Ka'aba so badly, I'll just let them know when I capture some of our old ICBMs in the coming revolution. I'll give them a date and a time where they can die very close to God after I've rebuilt the warheads to function without the detonation codes. A few 5 megaton MIRVs aught to saturate the area well enough to get rid of a few million or so in an instant.

In sha allah, right? If allah wills it, then my rebuilt warheads will fail, or the missiles will not launch.

The sad thing is that while I'm speaking in hyperbole, I'm kind of not really joking, either.



The pattern is both historical and distinguished. This is exactly how Islam functions throughout the ages.

While not every single believer in every single society may adopt those specific beliefs - the reality is that enough of them will live and breed under a society governed by 'radicals' to ensure there is a continual supply of young, agitated, suicidal warriors willing to harass those around them.

The problem is that the 'radicalization' is across a continuum. You can continue blowing up the 'radicals' - but that only gives further credence to Islam's inherent "we are victims" mentality espoused within the culture - which inspires a self-defense response. The 'moderates' will overwhelmingly choose to defend the 'radicals' over the non-muslims. There are few exceptions to this, and even many of those come with the cost of being a dhimmi - a sort of property to be fought over by rival mafia leaders.

Thus, the net effect is that the entire country is 'radical' as there exists no clear means of distinguishing the 'radical' from the 'moderate' - particularly when those views exist along a continuum or are subject to being emotional outbursts.

I get a fair number of hostile responses from peaceful, moderate muslims who want nothing more than for me to die.

Granted - I've more or less stated that Islam needs to be wiped off the face of the planet and all those who are unwilling to turn from it killed - so it's not like it's completely unprovoked on their part. Still, it's often in the form of an emotional outburst that echoes Farrakhan's remarks on the Qu'ran and revenge. Even when not calling for the elimination of Islam - I get some fun responses from people when you go through the evidence-based approach of illustrating Muhammad to be a liar and a false prophet.

You may be just fine being a Christian among a hundred 'moderate' muslims... until you say anything critical of Muhammad ... then you may just get a hundred death threats all of a sudden from people who used to smile at you and greet you warmly.
Lol. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. I definitely don't agree that Islam should be wiped off the face of the plane though, by that logic you might as well wipe of the Jews while you're at it. If anything, I feel like the biggest problem Muslims have is actually trying to hard to be 'good muslims'. Usually that's where someone insulting Islam makes them feel like they need to defend it or be bad muslims, which is for whatever reason, only an Islam thing. It's not as much extreme faith as it is insecurity in my personal opinion. Anyways, I also am of the belief that the Americans were the ones who funded and taught everything that's become condemned Islamic radical terrorism, and I am also aware of the news report made on the day of 9/11 about the bomb planted on the George Washington Bridge by 4 non-arabs which then disappeared from the news permanently.
 

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" Soon after returning from a trip to Moscow in 1958, Rustin organized the first of King's famous marches on Washington. The official organ of the Communist Party, "The Worker,- - openly declared the march to be a Communist project. Although he left King's employ as secretary in 1961, Rustin was called upon by King to be second in command of the much larger march on Washington which took place on August 28, 1963.

Bayard Rustin's replacement in 1961 as secretary and advisor to King was Jack O'Dell, also known as Hunter Pitts O'Dell. According to official records, in 1962 Jack O'Dell was a member of the National Committee of the Communist Party, USA. He had been listed as a Communist Party member as early as 1956. O'Dell was also given the job of acting executive director for SCLC activities for the entire Southeast, according to the St. Louis "Globe-Democrat - -of October 26, 1962. At that time, there were still some patriots in the press corps, and word of O'Dell's party membership became known.

What did King do? Shortly after the negative news reports, King fired O'Dell with much fanfare. And he then, without the fanfare, "immediately hired him again- - as director of the New York office of the SCLC, as confirmed by the "Richmond News-Leader - -of September 27, 1963. In 1963 a Black man from Monroe, North Carolina named Robert Williams made a trip to Peking, China. Exactly 20 days before King's 1963 march on Washington, Williams successfully urged Mao Tse-Tung to speak out on behalf of King's movement. Mr. Williams was also around this time maintaining his primary residence in Cuba, from which he made regular broadcasts to the southern US, three times a week, from high-power AM transmitters in Havana under the title "Radio Free Dixie." In these broadcasts, he urged violent attacks by Blacks against White Americans.

During this period, Williams wrote a book entitled "Negroes With Guns." The writer of the foreword for this book? None other than Martin Luther King, Jr. It is also interesting to note that the editors and publishers of this book were to a man all supporters of the infamous Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

According to King's biographer and sympathizer David J. Garrow, "King privately described himself as a Marxist." In his 1981 book, "The FBI and Martin Luther King, Jr.", Garrow quotes King as saying in SCLC staff meetings, "...we have moved into a new era, which must be an era of revolution.... The whole structure of American life must be changed.... We are engaged in the class struggle." "


Our crazy little friend who started this thread does have a point.

What King began to preach later on in his career was a communist revolution.

You'll find the following quite interesting:

" In 1922, the Russian Comintern provided $300,000 for the spreading of communist propaganda among Negroes. In 1925, the Communist Party U.S.A. told its members:

"The aim of our Party in our work among the Negro masses is to create a powerful proletarian movement which will fight and lead the struggle of the Negro race against the exploitation and oppression in every form and which will be a militant part of the revolutionary movement of the whole American working class ... and connect them with the struggles of national minorities and colonial peoples of all the world and thereby the cause of world revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat." "


This is all written down. Every bit of what is playing out, today, has been written down for nearly a hundred years as part of an operational plan with the goal of inciting a communist revolution.

" In 1925, a dozen blacks were recruited for propaganda training in Russia. That same year, the American Negro Labor Congress was established. In 1930, they changed their name to the League of Struggle for Negro Rights. They merged with the United Negro Congress when it was founded in 1936 in Washington, D.C. By 1940, communists made up two-thirds of its membership. In 1947, they united with the Civil Rights Congress, a communist front group.

In a 1928 pamphlet by John Pepper (alias for Joseph Pogany) called American Negro Problems, a move was being made by Stalin to ferment revolution and stir the blacks into creating a separate Republic for the Negro. Another pamphlet put out by the New York Communist Party in 1935, called The Negroes in a Soviet America, urged the blacks to rise up and form a Soviet State in the South by applying for admission to the Comintern. It contained a firm pledge that a revolt would be supported by all American communists and liberals. On page 48, it said that the Soviet Government would give the blacks more benefits than they would give to the whites, and "any act of discrimination or prejudice against the Negro would become a crime under the revolutionary law."

In The Communist Party: A Manual On Organization by J. Peters, he writes:

"The other important ally of the American proletariat is their mass of 13,000,000 Negro people in their struggle against national oppression. The Communist Party, as the revolutionary party of the proletariat, is the only party which is courageously and resolutely carrying on a struggle against the double exploitation and national oppression of the Negro people, becoming intense with the developing crisis, [and] can win over the great masses of the Negro people as allies of the Proletariat against the American bourgeosie."

In James Cannon's America's Road to Socialism, he says that the Negroes:

"...will play a great and decisive role in the revolution ... And why shouldn't they be? They have nothing to lose but their poverty and discrimination, and a whole world of prosperity, freedom, and equality to gain. You can bet your boots the Negro will join the Revolution to fight for that -- once it becomes clear to them that it cannot be gained except by revolution." "


...

" Julia Brown, a former Communist, said:

"We were told to promote Martin Luther King to unite Negroes and also Whites behind him ... He was taking directions from Communists. I know for a fact the Communists would never have promoted him, financed him, and supported him if they couldn't trust him. I am certain as I can be that he knew what he was doing." "


The FBI's investigation into King is officially sealed and we have only the testimony of those who were involved in the probe. History has afforded this to mean the investigation was, itself, a failure to find evidence - but considering the environment at the time, a legal prosecution of King would have resulted in riots.

Even the investigation into King's assassination was hasty and done unjustly.



The blame is quickly placed on counter-intel programs... however, I wonder if that is the complete picture.

" 5. Two other witnesses saw someone leaving the boarding house bathroom. One witness, Bessie Brewer, the owner of the boarding house, could not identify the individual and refused to identify Ray as the man she had rented a room to. The other witness, Stephens' common law wife Grace, said she did get a good look at him, and that it was definitely not James Earl Ray. Grace's drunken husband became the preferred witness. Grace was committed to a mental institution. According to her lawyer, C.M. Murphy, she was committed illegally, and after she was committed, the Memphis prosecutors removed her records from the hospital. After years of imprisonment under heavy sedation, Grace still refused to recant her story.

6. In addition to Brewer, two other witnesses at the boarding house insisted that the man who rented Ray's room looked nothing like James Earl Ray. "


Most critically, the weapon owned by James Earl Ray was not the one used to kill King, as later evidenced by forensics.

The problem with this all being purely a government setup is the number of people who would have to know it was a government setup. That is a failure to understand counter-intelligence programs and operations.

King already made a number of enemies. He was embezzling money from the organization to fund his sexual escapades, which was beginning to wear on a number of those close to him and it threatened to undermine the entire image of the movement if it got out. This would not only upset his followers, but also his handlers within the communist party (which the FBI had infiltrated). King was also butting heads with the Nation of Islam - he was growing closer in association to Malcolm X, who had separated from the NOI in part because of its racist undertones - and the two of them aligned would jeopardize the NOI's standing within the black population.

Thus, we have three major players who are focusing on King.

The Communist Party.

The Nation of Islam.

And the FBI.

The FBI can't form a legal case without inciting riots. The Nation of Islam had successfully assassinated Malcolm X, but was caught in the process. They lacked the subtlety necessary to preserve their public image. The Communist Party preferred to operate through front groups and to organize militants by proxy (Malcolm X's conversion to Sunni Islam would not have gone over well in the Kremlin).

Thus, we have an alignment of interests. The FBI is able to smooth over the investigation to keep the NOI from being implicated so long as they can come up with a halfway coherent plan and convince their people that it was their doing and the plants in the Communist Party plant the idea in the heads of Communist Leaders who then believe it was their idea.

This leads to a natural compartmentalization of who knows what and exploits common interests to produce a result. In a sense - the FBI would have given both the CPUSA and the NOI reason to believe they could carry out a successful assassination, and the FBI simply worked the investigation to fit the martyr narrative.

Which may sound horrible, but they did engineer a peaceful end to King's career and forever immortalize him as a civil rights leader who stood for justice. The white-washing of King's life was only aided by the FBI's decision to seal records of its probe into King's life. Frankly - the King we know and celebrate, today, is almost entirely a construct of the government and decades of overly optimistic media reporting.

The real Martin Luther King Jr. was a marxist agitator who saw non-violence as a tactical ploy within a more grand process of revolution. He was no more a pacifist than Mao.
To be impartial though that was in the midst of the red scare when many were accused of being communist and found guilty with little to no reasoning. I don't know the man personally so I can't say what his true beliefs were I only know him through the words of others.
 

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The irony is that the statement "God will judge by the weather" - and then multiple people being killed while worshiping at the Ka'aba due to a lightning strike.

If I were God, I'd have a bit of fun with false prophets. When they make such claims as "God will send harsh weather as judgment" - blasting a bunch of his fellow cultists at their most religiously significant location with lightning is exactly what I'd do. "Oh, okay - here, here's some judgment for you sociopaths."

Basically being a lesson that Islam is a false religion and God is simply showing signs as to the judgment hanging over the heads of those who will not repent.




Well, if they want to die at the Ka'aba so badly, I'll just let them know when I capture some of our old ICBMs in the coming revolution. I'll give them a date and a time where they can die very close to God after I've rebuilt the warheads to function without the detonation codes. A few 5 megaton MIRVs aught to saturate the area well enough to get rid of a few million or so in an instant.

In sha allah, right? If allah wills it, then my rebuilt warheads will fail, or the missiles will not launch.

The sad thing is that while I'm speaking in hyperbole, I'm kind of not really joking, either.



The pattern is both historical and distinguished. This is exactly how Islam functions throughout the ages.

While not every single believer in every single society may adopt those specific beliefs - the reality is that enough of them will live and breed under a society governed by 'radicals' to ensure there is a continual supply of young, agitated, suicidal warriors willing to harass those around them.

The problem is that the 'radicalization' is across a continuum. You can continue blowing up the 'radicals' - but that only gives further credence to Islam's inherent "we are victims" mentality espoused within the culture - which inspires a self-defense response. The 'moderates' will overwhelmingly choose to defend the 'radicals' over the non-muslims. There are few exceptions to this, and even many of those come with the cost of being a dhimmi - a sort of property to be fought over by rival mafia leaders.

Thus, the net effect is that the entire country is 'radical' as there exists no clear means of distinguishing the 'radical' from the 'moderate' - particularly when those views exist along a continuum or are subject to being emotional outbursts.

I get a fair number of hostile responses from peaceful, moderate muslims who want nothing more than for me to die.

Granted - I've more or less stated that Islam needs to be wiped off the face of the planet and all those who are unwilling to turn from it killed - so it's not like it's completely unprovoked on their part. Still, it's often in the form of an emotional outburst that echoes Farrakhan's remarks on the Qu'ran and revenge. Even when not calling for the elimination of Islam - I get some fun responses from people when you go through the evidence-based approach of illustrating Muhammad to be a liar and a false prophet.

You may be just fine being a Christian among a hundred 'moderate' muslims... until you say anything critical of Muhammad ... then you may just get a hundred death threats all of a sudden from people who used to smile at you and greet you warmly.
I'm not the one claiming the weather is punishment. OP is. And he's not even from one of the mainstream Islamic sects.

Not to mention, every religion has had strange things like bad weather happen to them, that would make you question whether their God is right or not. Also, if I were God and had a problem with Islam, I'd probably go for people like ISIS rather than your average pilgrim that can include the elderly, women and children...

I guess God would rather do a lighting strike on people 1400 years later rather than the man who is the actual 'false prophet' according to you.

And why do you label us as sociopaths. I don't think a religion would spread and become the second largest religion if it was only composed of sociopaths. Islam is a religion that focuses around things such as brotherhood so...


You like to talk about killing all Muslims, or at least the males aged 14+, and you talk about us being radicals. Isn't that funny? And then you refer to your trolling as fun. And still, we are the sociopaths?

Let's be real, every time you see a slight threat, you jump to the furthest of conclusions, not because you're paranoid, but because you long for war. It's clear as day.


Lol. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. I definitely don't agree that Islam should be wiped off the face of the plane though, by that logic you might as well wipe of the Jews while you're at it. If anything, I feel like the biggest problem Muslims have is actually trying to hard to be 'good muslims'. Usually that's where someone insulting Islam makes them feel like they need to defend it or be bad muslims, which is for whatever reason, only an Islam thing. It's not as much extreme faith as it is insecurity in my personal opinion. Anyways, I also am of the belief that the Americans were the ones who funded and taught everything that's become condemned Islamic radical terrorism, and I am also aware of the news report made on the day of 9/11 about the bomb planted on the George Washington Bridge by 4 non-arabs which then disappeared from the news permanently.
You're getting confused. You said that I stated the weather will be punishment against the opponents on Justice or Else, and that I believe the weather is to honor the Muslims fallen.

I've never stated that the weather was punishment. That was BrillyMac. I don't even support Justice or Else movement, in fact, I'm against it. I did however say, dying at the Grand Mosque (unintentionally, of course) is a blessing.
 
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Lol. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
No, not in the slightest.

What you have to understand is that Islam is built entirely around conquest. Read Surat At Tawbah - also known as Chapter Nine of the Qu'ran. The ultimate purpose of Islam is stated as being the eradication of all religious faith other than Islam and the subjugation of the world to the laws of Islam.

This is why you will see regions polled in the Middle East where 80% of the population will be in support of religious freedom while 80% of them also believe in killing those who convert from Islam. The only valid religion is seen as Islam - religious freedom is seen as the right to practice the one true religion. This is especially the case in areas where laws other than those prescribed by Islam are the prevailing law of the land.

To make sense of the Islamic world, you have to first understand how Islam contorts the minds of the people raised within a culture dominated by its influence. They are not human beings as you and I recognize human beings. That sounds harsh, but it is the reality.

I definitely don't agree that Islam should be wiped off the face of the plane though, by that logic you might as well wipe of the Jews while you're at it.
Not so.

The Jewish religious belief is one of a free state that is no longer persecuted within its borders. This belief has existed since the time they were but a wandering tribe of Hebrews. Not long after Israel was established, it was conquered by the Romans and inducted into the Roman Empire. As punishment for the bloodlust the Jews felt toward Rome while ignoring the corruption of their own religious hierarchy, Israel was allowed to be destroyed and the Jews scattered across the globe.

This was prophesied by Isaiah and a few other biblical prophecies.

As was the return of the state of Israel and the fact that it would remain a point of contention until a final war in which 2/3 of Israel would be destroyed by the surrounding tribes.

Israel does not have expansionist goals of conquest or subjugation. About as close as that gets is the final battle of Armageddon where the armies of those who oppose God's rule are to be destroyed and judgment passed upon the nations of the Earth for attempting to invade Israel.

The term Zionist refers to the scriptural claims that the Lord dwells in Mount Zion and it is the belief that it is that land which is to be reserved for the Hebrews - the Jews. Final judgment is to come, more or less, when the nations of the world attempt to lay claim to Zion.

Which is, interestingly enough, not too far from what the U.N. is currently attempting to do. So, go figure. It's either prophecy being fulfilled, or people acting in a manner so as to appear to fulfill prophecy. I'm not sure which is more ominous.

If anything, I feel like the biggest problem Muslims have is actually trying to hard to be 'good muslims'. Usually that's where someone insulting Islam makes them feel like they need to defend it or be bad muslims, which is for whatever reason, only an Islam thing. It's not as much extreme faith as it is insecurity in my personal opinion.
When the Westboro 'Baptist' Church (which is not actually affiliated with a Baptist organization) shows up at a funeral to spew hateful speech about how God hates homosexuals and death is a judgment passed upon our nation for allowing homosexuality (among other things) - many Christians show up to counter-protest and to try to minimize the presence of those people.

When Saudi Arabia executes homosexuals?

When Muslims in the UK torture and kill homosexuals?

When Muslims in Germany organize through mosques to establish child *** rings?

Moderate Muslims show up to tell everyone else to mind their own damned business.

When terrorists shoot up a magazine headquarters for publishing an image critical of Muhammad... what do the moderate muslims do? Try to pass a law to make it illegal to publish images of Muhammad.

As I said, to understand why muslims act the way they do, you have to understand what Islam does to their minds and how it corrupts their perception of the world around them.

The problem is that there is no way of reversing this process on a cultural scale, short of the same way that Islam's conquest was accomplished in the first place. Three letters inviting people to Islam, then a slaughter of all who would stand against Islam's rule in the region. That was how Islam was spread - and that is how it should be eliminated. Three invitations to renounce Islam, then drop the war hammer.

The idea that there is some kind of 'true' or 'peaceful' Islam to be salvaged is simply a construct of western society.

Anyways, I also am of the belief that the Americans were the ones who funded and taught everything that's become condemned Islamic radical terrorism, and I am also aware of the news report made on the day of 9/11 about the bomb planted on the George Washington Bridge by 4 non-arabs which then disappeared from the news permanently.
I've done you the favor of already compiling a history of the Muslim Brotherhood, the group that later became Al Qaeda, which later spawned the Islamic State.



The foundation of the Muslim Brotherhood is the re-establishment of a Caliphate. When they were later relocated to Saudi Arabia, they found that Wahhabi Islam already pretty much called for that. Wahhabi Islam is, basically, the original Arabic Islam from the birthplace of Islam.



" The basic text of this form of Islam is the Kitab at-tawhid (Arabic, "Book of Unity"). Central to Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab's message was the essential oneness of God (tawhid). The movement is therefore known by its adherents as ad dawa lil tawhid (the call to unity), and those who follow the call are known as ahl at tawhid (the people of unity) or muwahhidun (unitarians). The word Wahhabi was originally used derogatorily by opponents, but has today become commonplace and is even used by some Najdi scholars of the movement. Most Wahhabi people live in Saudi Arabia. Almost all people in Mecca and Medina belong to this school.

The Caliphate was brought into being by the implementation of Islam for about three decades. They called this shortlived experiment Khilafat Rashidah, the rightly-guided Caliphate, implying thereby that the rulers that followed were misguided. Fundamentalists seek the restoration of the Islamic State i.e. the Khilafah, and by electing a Khaleefah and taking a bay'ah on him that he will rule by the Word of Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala) i.e. he will implement Islamic laws in the country where the Khilafah has been established.

Wahhabism [Wahabism] is a reform movement that began 200 years ago to rid Islamic societies of cultural practices and interpretation that had been acquired over the centuries. The followers of Abdul Wahab (1703-1792) began as a movement to cleanse the Arab bedouin from the influence of Sufism. Wahhabis are the followers of Ibn 'Abd ul-Wahhab, who instituted a great reform in the religion of Islam in Arabia in the 18th century. Mahommed ibn 'Abd ul-Wahhab was born in 1691 (or 1703) at al-Hauta of the Nejd in central Arabia, and was of the tribe of the Bani Tamim. He studied literature and jurisprudence of the Hanifite school. After making the pilgrimage with his father, he spent some further time in the study of law at Medina, and resided for a while at Isfahan, whence he returned to the Nejd to undertake the work of a teacher.

Aroused by his studies and his observation of the luxury in dress and habits, the superstitious pilgrimages to shrines, the use of omens and the worship given to Mahomet and Mahommedan saints rather than to God, he began a mission to proclaim the simplicity of the early religion founded on the Koran and Sunna (i.e. the manner of life of Mahomet).

The practical doctrine of the Muslim reformer — that tho persons and goods of all unbelievers were the divinely-appointed lawful spoil of the faithful, and that all who had lapsed from the primitive purity of the faith—Sunnis, or Sbiaahs, and lb ad iy ah alike, all, in fact, except true Wahhabis—were worse than infidels, and were to be slaughtered, enslaved, and plundered as a religious duty — this teaching found willing disciples. "


Of course, the West has long tried to view these militant groups as if they are political activists within a Western sense. The temporary successes seen in the instigation of the Arab-Israeli war (by the British), the successful instigation of a war in Afghanistan against the Soviets (the CIA), and the criminally culpable decision by the pentagon to use Al Qaeda in Bosnia and Kosovo to validate military action against Serbia to support a secessionary movement from Yugoslavia... all of those served to reinforce the idea in the mind of the West that Islamic militants could be very effective weapons that maintained plausible deniability.

Until they crash airplanes into your towers.

Bin Laden sent three messages to Bush calling him to Islam, as Bin Laden believed should be done. When those were, obviously, not heeded - he struck on September 11, 2001.

Do you know why September 11 was chosen?

September 11, 1683 - that evening, the King of Poland arrived with his army outside the gates of the besieged city of Vienna. The following day of battle routed the vastly superior numbers of the Ottoman army. From that day, the Ottomans continually lost territory after territory until their ultimate financial and political collapse into a satellite of the British Empire. History marked that day as the day in which Islam began its recession.

The choice of that day was symbolic for a Wahhabi member of the Muslim Brotherhood, as Osama Bin Laden was. It exists as one of the greatest insults to Islam, and it was meant to mark the day Islam would be seen as rising once again.

To be impartial though that was in the midst of the red scare when many were accused of being communist and found guilty with little to no reasoning. I don't know the man personally so I can't say what his true beliefs were I only know him through the words of others.
One of the many great lies that was perpetrated by the media was that the "Red Scare" was just that.

The reality is that America lost the shadow war with communist agents and has been progressively structured by media and lawmakers into a Marxist society.
 

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As I said, to understand why muslims act the way they do, you have to understand what Islam does to their minds and how it corrupts their perception of the world around them.

The problem is that there is no way of reversing this process on a cultural scale, short of the same way that Islam's conquest was accomplished in the first place. Three letters inviting people to Islam, then a slaughter of all who would stand against Islam's rule in the region. That was how Islam was spread - and that is how it should be eliminated. Three invitations to renounce Islam, then drop the war hammer.


If you think that will end well for anybody, you're an idiot, sorry to say.

And please tell me more about how my mind is corrupted.
 

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LOL so you're saying god kills people at the Grand Mosque so that they can have an honourable death? rofl at your reply
Not really. The cause of deaths at Masjid Al Haram was because of administration mismanagement. First, was the fall of the crane; it belonged to Bin Laden construction company and it was poorly operated by the workers. Although some say that the lightning ended up striking it, it wouldn't give a reason for the Saudi government to fire Bin Laden company out of the Masjid Al Haram project. Second, was the hundreds of thousands of Hajj gathering people being mixed in one area at a 50 degrees. But we have a belief that Muslims dying for God's sake is the best death, but this wasn't the case.

Any way, back on topic. Every race, every religious and every culture were at one point was discriminated by who was the political powerhouse. Ancient Egypt - a black country - enslaved their own people, mainly being Jews, for economic growth. African leaders traded their own people with Europeans in exchange for money. Communist government enslaved/and enslaves their own ethnic people, like the Soviet Union and China and North Korea. The empires enslaved whatever colony they ruled over.

African Americans should get over the slavery thing. I can understand they are racially targeted in the US, but the US is not the world. Every country else had moved on to multiculturalism.
 

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If you think that will end well for anybody, you're an idiot, sorry to say.
There is no scenario in which this "ends well." I am simply choosing the one in which free will survives. For that to be secured, Islam must be eliminated. This is the judgment that is to be passed in this era.

Your prophet is, at best, a misguided warlord and at worst, a servant of Satan. It is not for me to determine which belief shall hold refuge for your soul, but you are hereby invited to turn from your society of evil.

And please tell me more about how my mind is corrupted.
Question: When was the Qu'ran written?
 

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Your prophet is, at best, a misguided warlord and at worst, a servant of Satan. It is not for me to determine which belief shall hold refuge for your soul, but you are hereby invited to turn from your society of evil.

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There is no scenario in which this "ends well." I am simply choosing the one in which free will survives. For that to be secured, Islam must be eliminated. This is the judgment that is to be passed in this era.

Your prophet is, at best, a misguided warlord and at worst, a servant of Satan. It is not for me to determine which belief shall hold refuge for your soul, but you are hereby invited to turn from your society of evil.



Question: When was the Qu'ran written?
Right, and in this scenario, not only will it not end well, but it will end terribly for all. Islam is hardly a threat to your freedom at this moment.

And I could say the same for you.


Answer: From around 610, up until the prophet's death. (Lol, I see where this is going).

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Religious fights are funny.
I'm not even fighting about his religious beliefs. I'm telling him how his suggestions of getting rid of the 2nd largest religion is insane at least.
 
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This is why you will see regions polled in the Middle East where 80% of the population will be in support of religious freedom while 80% of them also believe in killing those who convert from Islam. The only valid religion is seen as Islam - religious freedom is seen as the right to practice the one true religion. This is especially the case in areas where laws other than those prescribed by Islam are the prevailing law of the land.
That's funny. The Middle East population is 409,821,000, while Muslim population worldwide is 1.6 billion. And the poll in support of certain Sharia laws would bring the number below 100 million, which would be nothing in a total Muslim population worldwide. I would actually question how the poll is conducted, because polls can easily be miscalculated.

About the part of religious freedom, it's granted in Islamic constitution for Christians and Jews, but they pay Jizya in return. The Prophet Muhammad granted Jews and Christians religious freedom and political parties. Jews and Christians are granted religious freedom in every Muslim country apart from Saudi Arabia.
 
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Right, and in this scenario, not only will it end well, but it will end terribly for all. Islam is hardly a threat to your freedom at this moment.
With Obama in office? I'd be surprised to hear if his aluminum foil hat could stay on his head properly with all the shaking he's doing.
 

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That's funny. The Middle East population is 409,821,000, while Muslim population worldwide is 1.6 billion. And the poll in support of certain Sharia laws would bring the number below 100 million, which would be nothing in a total Muslim population worldwide. I would actually question how the poll is conducted, because polls can easily be miscalculated.

About the part of religious freedom and political party, it's granted in Islamic constitution for Christians and Jews, but they pay Jizya in return.
The tax is too much of a killer for extreme-righty like Aim, he'd rather blow up the world with nukes.
 
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