Noland name was mentioned many times in OP. He was mentioned in dressrosa too.
i donot think celestial dragon gives a damn about what is going on all around the world. there are so many other pirates(like kid) who is destroying New world but celestial dragons donot hate them or think less to kill him.
I think celestial dragons and Ds have long history which is not good. that is why they are taught if they donot behave properly then D's will eat them. and we have to wait for like 3 or more arcs after which we will learn Dragons past.
sorry i dont remember noland name being taken in dressrosa arc, i dont remember it.
and thats what i am talking about D's always oneway or another come across the celestial dragon, just like you said some pirates like kidd is turning the world into upside down, but nobody gives a rats ass about it, but whenever luffy does something it has to be connected or has a connection with the world government.....
i am super duper hyped to know the past of dragon.........
Dragon must have joined marines like his father or his father may have told him to.
he must have undertaken lots of secret missions.
He saw nasty things done by Marines in Name of Justice(like buster call and Laws country massacre).
He must have saw Celestial dragons cruelty and left the marines afterwards.
He must have protected citizens/slaves(like Sabo) from Celestial dragons.
Admirals thought he could possibly became a threat in near future so they put him in there wanted list.(like missing ninja becomes for there village)
That is how he became Most Wanted Man in OPverse.
He has an issues with WG, so he could also be a part of Cipher pol instead of marine bcoz that would give you more knowledge about WG and their injustice methods and actions, which is impossible in marines. Film Z highlighted that there was sengoku, garp and z as admirals and after that color-trios replaced them so dragon being an admiral cannot be possible plus you need a higher level post in marines to know the actual secret actions of WG, so being a vice-admiral is also bullshit.
I honestly, perfer him being the son of the top marine soldier, and then becoming a low-ranked marine himself, sees the injutsice. And decides to quit the marines, and stand for the people.
Technically, he is/ was a pirate as well. Dude was going around his ship to islands, causing shit.
He has an issues with WG, so he could also be a part of Cipher pol instead of marine bcoz that would give you more knowledge about WG and their injustice methods and actions, which is impossible in marines. Film Z highlighted that there was sengoku, garp and z as admirals and after that color-trios replaced them so dragon being an admiral cannot be possible plus you need a higher level post in marines to know the actual secret actions of WG, so being a vice-admiral is also bullshit.
dude did you just said that garp, sengoku and Z were admirals, but as we all know garp is a vice-admiral right, how can he be demoted, i dont get it????????????
yeah dragon being a some short of undercover agent like that silent fellow brother of doflamingo, what was his name something like rosciante or what???
I honestly, perfer him being the son of the top marine soldier, and then becoming a low-ranked marine himself, sees the injutsice. And decides to quit the marines, and stand for the people.
Technically, he is/ was a pirate as well. Dude was going around his ship to islands, causing shit.
Dragon is the son of garp, the one who is known as the hero of the marine. ok garp ranked is just a vice-admiral but it was his decision to stay as vice-admiral so that he would help the youngster to train and become a elite marine officer.....
Remember the moment at louge town when dragon saves luffy, and smoker asks him why did you save that man, technically referring that smoker didnt knew about their relationship as son and father, hell shit nobody knew at that time, but my point is when dragon replies to smoker saying "whats reason is their to stop a man from sailing", which i believe is not something marines do all the time as compared to pirates.
marines are usually given their particular land for jurisdiction, they are not allowed to move here and there just because they like to, its pirates who usually sail the sea..............
so i believe dragon was a pirate in the past..........
He has an issues with WG, so he could also be a part of Cipher pol instead of marine bcoz that would give you more knowledge about WG and their injustice methods and actions, which is impossible in marines. Film Z highlighted that there was sengoku, garp and z as admirals and after that color-trios replaced them so dragon being an admiral cannot be possible plus you need a higher level post in marines to know the actual secret actions of WG, so being a vice-admiral is also bullshit.
@bold Donot agree with that part.
U should Read/watch Nico robin's past. u will find your answer. There was something like Buster call.
The "Buster Call" is the strongest military action possible, performed only under special circumstances. The target of a Buster Call is usually to destroy anything from a criminal or group of criminals to an entire island that has proven to be extremely dangerous to the World Government.If there is even one important criminal on one of the Buster Call ships, other Buster Call ships will not hesitate to attack it simply to kill the criminal, even if it means the death of every Marine soldier on board.The general public is kept in the dark about a Buster Call, using propaganda to demonize the destroyed target and make its annihilation a great, and extremely praiseworthy feat of the World Government. For example, Iceburg was shown to have been fooled by the official information that the "Devils of Ohara" were working in order to destroy the world; only after a discussion with Robin was he able to realize the truth of the incident.
Vice admirals start buster call.Jaguar D saul and Aokiji knew what Robin's countrymen used to do. (so vice admirals have full knowledge who they are targetting).
Rear admirals(like kadar and strawberry) supported slavery.{See it in Fisher tiger backgroung history). Strawberry guy was the reason fisher tiger died.
that strawberry guy became Vice admiral soon.
After Punk Hazard arc Smoker knew what Doffy was doing but what World Government did? they protected Doffy by sending admiral and CP0. Smoker is also Vice admiral.
donot say stupid things like Vice admirals knows nothing. they fought against Whitebeard pirates at Marineford.
what was cipher pol doing? they were doing nothing.
Cipher Pol and Vice admirals are more or less at same level. CP0 is different thing.They got more power than Vice Admirals because they report directly to Gorosei but other groups like CP9 had to take permission from Admirals for a buster call.
@bold Donot agree with that part.
U should Read/watch Nico robin's past. u will find your answer. There was something like Buster call.
The "Buster Call" is the strongest military action possible, performed only under special circumstances. The target of a Buster Call is usually to destroy anything from a criminal or group of criminals to an entire island that has proven to be extremely dangerous to the World Government.If there is even one important criminal on one of the Buster Call ships, other Buster Call ships will not hesitate to attack it simply to kill the criminal, even if it means the death of every Marine soldier on board.The general public is kept in the dark about a Buster Call, using propaganda to demonize the destroyed target and make its annihilation a great, and extremely praiseworthy feat of the World Government. For example, Iceburg was shown to have been fooled by the official information that the "Devils of Ohara" were working in order to destroy the world; only after a discussion with Robin was he able to realize the truth of the incident.
Vice admirals start buster call.Jaguar D saul and Aokiji knew what Robin's countrymen used to do. (so vice admirals have full knowledge who they are targetting).
Rear admirals(like kadar and strawberry) supported slavery.{See it in Fisher tiger backgroung history). Strawberry guy was the reason fisher tiger died.
that strawberry guy became Vice admiral soon.
After Punk Hazard arc Smoker knew what Doffy was doing but what World Government did? they protected Doffy by sending admiral and CP0. Smoker is also Vice admiral.
donot say stupid things like Vice admirals knows nothing. they fought against Whitebeard pirates at Marineford.
what was cipher pol doing? they were doing nothing.
Cipher Pol and Vice admirals are more or less at same level. CP0 is different thing.They got more power than Vice Admirals because they report directly to Gorosei but other groups like CP9 had to take permission from Admirals for a buster call.
Okay being a marine can lead to you any conclusion about WG.
@bold: Cipher pol has more authority as they dont need any permission of admiral. They are an individual body which works under their captain(like spandam) and their captain don't need permission for buster call, instead they give order to admirals to perform so.
Okay being a marine can lead to you any conclusion about WG.
@bold: Cipher pol has more authority as they dont need any permission of admiral. They are an individual body which works under their captain(like spandam) and their captain don't need permission for buster call, instead they give order to admirals to perform so.
yes Spandam needed permission from Admiral Aokiji to start buster call. Sorry i cant give u link right now but u can check it in OPwiki.
Look what i found about Cipher pol in OPwiki
Cipher Pol seems to focus more on political threats to the World Government than more generic criminals.Cipher Pol No. 9 has the license to kill any citizen that does not cooperate with the World Government or acts in contrary to its interests. Because such a radical method of applying justice by the World Government should not be common knowledge, this group is a top secret organization.CP-0 is apparently more powerful than the CP9 as they are called the world's strongest intelligence.
and the reason is simple CP0 directly reports to Gorosei that's why they are the strongest. CP9 and others(maybe) are not that strong.
yes Spandam needed permission from Admiral Aokiji to start buster call. Sorry i cant give u link right now but u can check it in OPwiki.
Look what i found about Cipher pol in OPwiki
Cipher Pol seems to focus more on political threats to the World Government than more generic criminals.Cipher Pol No. 9 has the license to kill any citizen that does not cooperate with the World Government or acts in contrary to its interests. Because such a radical method of applying justice by the World Government should not be common knowledge, this group is a top secret organization.CP-0 is apparently more powerful than the CP9 as they are called the world's strongest intelligence.
and the reason is simple CP0 directly reports to Gorosei that's why they are the strongest. CP9 and others(maybe) are not that strong.
Since the Buster Call is an order of such destructive powers, only the very highest authorities are granted the power to initiate the Buster Call. This authority is granted to at most ten people. Four of these are the three Admirals and the Fleet Admiral: the highest-ranking authorities in the Marines. The other six are their counterparts in the World Government: the Gorosei and the Commander-in-Chief.
Spandam can ask buster call from Gorosei or commander in chief but he didn't.
Reason which i read in many forum sites are:
1)Spandam blackmailed Aokiji to initiate a buster call because he knew he helped Robin to escape from Ohara.
2)Spandam never went to Gorosei or commander in chief to take orders from them, thats why he never called Gorosei or commander in chief for buster call.
{I think CP0 takes orders from Gorosei and commander in chief and rest of the Cipher pol units takes there orders from CP0}
The only special power CP9 had is/was to kill civilians(other cipher pol groups donot have this power) who they think are possible threats for world government.
That's why i m putting (1-9)Cipher pol units in Vice admiral lvl/rank. CP0 is different story. they maybe admiral lvl(with there hype).
Ciphr pol is a big plot hole in OPverse. They did nothing in Marine ford arc(they can atleast assassinate one or two Whitebeard commanders). They cant even complete there mission in Ennies Lobby yet they are so much hyped.
I think cipher pol is a secret organization that secretly works for the world government, they only comes out when needed by the government. such as the incident at water 7, when the government needed the blueprint of pluton, they deployed the cipher pol as an undercover agent to find the whereabouts of the blueprint.
and as about why at the marineford war was the so called cp9 not used, because as i said earlier these so called CP are a secret organisation, the civilians or some pirate nobody knows about their existence.....
The buster call authority given to spandam was by aokiji. and i dont think that the vice-admirals who carry out the buster call knows anything about where or for who is the buster call activated. the vice-admirals just obey the buster call and commence the attack. and spandam never needed aokiji permission for the attack, it was his call to whether to call or not call for the buster call, he was handed the golden den-den mushi to make a buster call, he never asked to aokiji to should he or should he not make a call. aokiji left the total decision to spandam.
so the vice-admiral followed the buster call that was supposedly to be from the aokiji golden den-den mushi and did the attack. similarly at ohara, again it was aokiji den-den mushi that was given to the chief of cp9 at that time, i dont remember his name, and he made the buster call, and there also the vice-admirals followed the buster call and attack the ohara village.
Now if you people remember during the ohara incident nobody knew about the cp9, they were referred to as a organisation deployed by the world government for some lets say dirty works, so that the name of marines will not be spoiled....
Since the Buster Call is an order of such destructive powers, only the very highest authorities are granted the power to initiate the Buster Call. This authority is granted to at most ten people. Four of these are the three Admirals and the Fleet Admiral: the highest-ranking authorities in the Marines. The other six are their counterparts in the World Government: the Gorosei and the Commander-in-Chief.
Spandam can ask buster call from Gorosei or commander in chief but he didn't.
Reason which i read in many forum sites are:
1)Spandam blackmailed Aokiji to initiate a buster call because he knew he helped Robin to escape from Ohara.
2)Spandam never went to Gorosei or commander in chief to take orders from them, thats why he never called Gorosei or commander in chief for buster call.
{I think CP0 takes orders from Gorosei and commander in chief and rest of the Cipher pol units takes there orders from CP0}
The only special power CP9 had is/was to kill civilians(other cipher pol groups donot have this power) who they think are possible threats for world government.
That's why i m putting (1-9)Cipher pol units in Vice admiral lvl/rank. CP0 is different story. they maybe admiral lvl(with there hype).
Ciphr pol is a big plot hole in OPverse. They did nothing in Marine ford arc(they can atleast assassinate one or two Whitebeard commanders). They cant even complete there mission in Ennies Lobby yet they are so much hyped.
1. He doesn't need to go to the Commander-in-chief, for a buster call. When he can go to someone like Aokiji
2. Contacting the commander-in-chief would take much more time.
But again, CP are not under the Admirals, they are 2 different divisions. The Buster call is done by the Marines, hence the CP need the permission of the marine higher ups or the WG higher ups, to perform a buster call.
I think cipher pol is a secret organization that secretly works for the world government, they only comes out when needed by the government. such as the incident at water 7, when the government needed the blueprint of pluton, they deployed the cipher pol as an undercover agent to find the whereabouts of the blueprint.
and as about why at the marineford war was the so called cp9 not used, because as i said earlier these so called CP are a secret organisation, the civilians or some pirate nobody knows about their existence.....
The buster call authority given to spandam was by aokiji. and i dont think that the vice-admirals who carry out the buster call knows anything about where or for who is the buster call activated. the vice-admirals just obey the buster call and commence the attack. and spandam never needed aokiji permission for the attack, it was his call to whether to call or not call for the buster call, he was handed the golden den-den mushi to make a buster call, he never asked to aokiji to should he or should he not make a call. aokiji left the total decision to spandam.
so the vice-admiral followed the buster call that was supposedly to be from the aokiji golden den-den mushi and did the attack. similarly at ohara, again it was aokiji den-den mushi that was given to the chief of cp9 at that time, i dont remember his name, and he made the buster call, and there also the vice-admirals followed the buster call and attack the ohara village.
Now if you people remember during the ohara incident nobody knew about the cp9, they were referred to as a organisation deployed by the world government for some lets say dirty works, so that the name of marines will not be spoiled....
Reason why I said Cipher pol is a plot hole because they mercilessly destroyed Ohara because they were trying to learn about Void Century but they donot have the guts to face/kill Rayleigh or Shanks who have seen it when they were apart of Roger Pirates. Even they could not kill Buggy. what more u can say.
1. He doesn't need to go to the Commander-in-chief, for a buster call. When he can go to someone like Aokiji
2. Contacting the commander-in-chief would take much more time.
But again, CP are not under the Admirals, they are 2 different divisions. The Buster call is done by the Marines, hence the CP need the permission of the marine higher ups or the WG higher ups, to perform a buster call.
Actually i have read lots of theories why Aokiji gave Spandam buster call permission.
But honestly i donot think Spandam ever met Gorosei. If u remember it was Gorosei who gave permission to CP9 to destroy Ohara so i donot think it would have taken that much time.
But still i think CP is a plot hole in OP and this thread is also going in a different direction now.
Reason why I said Cipher pol is a plot hole because they mercilessly destroyed Ohara because they were trying to learn about Void Century but they donot have the guts to face/kill Rayleigh or Shanks who have seen it when they were apart of Roger Pirates. Even they could not kill Buggy. what more u can say.
I am sorry CP is not a plot hole, why would you say like that. They donot face the people that you have mentioned because i believe that the government doesnot that these probably knew anything about the void history... I think they didnt even knew that roger was able to "hear voices" and found out about the void history.
Actually i have read lots of theories why Aokiji gave Spandam buster call permission.
But honestly i donot think Spandam ever met Gorosei. If u remember it was Gorosei who gave permission to CP9 to destroy Ohara so i donot think it would have taken that much time.
But still i think CP is a plot hole in OP and this thread is also going in a different direction now.
Yeah it was aokiji who gave the golden den-den mushi for the buster call, but maybe it was an order from the gorosei to aokiji to do that, but then we see that during ohara arc spandam or what was his name talking to the gorosei, so i have no clue who gave him tha authority....
bold i also think so, but who cares..........
I am sorry CP is not a plot hole, why would you say like that. They donot face the people that you have mentioned because i believe that the government doesnot that these probably knew anything about the void history... I think they didnt even knew that roger was able to "hear voices" and found out about the void history.
@bold part u are wrong there
U should watch Sabody arch.... arc again.
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Rayleigh said to Nico Robin that he can tell her about Void Century if she wants to.Nico Robin declined the offer.
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Those guys knew about Void Century. I m sure Rayleigh, Shanks and Buggy knew a lot of things when they were part of Roger pirates. But again what Cipher pol did? they did nothing against them.
watch it again he says he could tell her about it. but because she can read it and roger only had the voice of all things. he tells her she might come to a different conclusion to what might of happened at that time.
also it not been said but Noland id Nolan D. just like Kidd is Kid D.
watch it again he says he could tell her about it. but because she can read it and roger only had the voice of all things. he tells her she might come to a different conclusion to what might of happened at that time.
also it not been said but Noland id Nolan D. just like Kidd is Kid D.
I saw it again.
I agree Rayleigh said she might come to a different conclusion if she read it with her own eyes.
But that doesnot change the fact that Roger Pirates Knew something what happened in Void Century ie why I m saying why Cipher pol didnot kill Rayleigh, Shanks and Buggy?
What I think is that the world government might not know that the roger crew knows about the void history.
They did not thought of somebody who is just a pirate might be able to understand what message was written in the ponyglyph.
It was only the ohara scholar who knew how to read the pontglyph, so its basically out of question if somebody who was not a scholar, might understand the message left in the ponyglyph.
so i think that the world government knows nothing about the fact that the roger pirate knows the void history.....
dude did you just said that garp, sengoku and Z were admirals, but as we all know garp is a vice-admiral right, how can he be demoted, i dont get it????????????
yeah dragon being a some short of undercover agent like that silent fellow brother of doflamingo, what was his name something like rosciante or what???
After retirement of sengoku, he was given a low position of security in marines. Same can be happen to Garp. He may be gave up his position of Admiral after rogers death which lead him to get vice admiral chair.
