Kakuzu vs Obito.

[Brother Numpsay]

Which is irrelevant, because covering him=/=Being able to do something when Obito actually attacks, or rather being able to do something before Obito rips his soul out. And Izanagi=losing MS after 10 minutes. Kakuzu dies in less than 3.

What you mean Obito = Kakashi strike speed, to which Kakuzu can react to? Add on to what I already said about coverage, its not irrelevant.

I didnt bother restricting Izanagi cause I didnt think no one would arguing Obito using for his MS. So lets assume its actually restricted.

If I knew where to find them I wouldn't be asking. Those scans literally show nothing. Kakuzu was present while those masks were attacking. Not once is there shown an example of his hearts acting when he was dead, or acting while he was incapacitated.

Dude, seriously what the hell are you attempting to debunked here?
How the hell were the Mask able to attack and see everyone in the Darui's Division, especially when we seen one out right attack Ten Ten, completely away from Kakuzu. When Kakuzu was being pressured by

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. The hell your saying @underline? This canon bro via Kakashi's/Team 10 fight

No. Not once stated. Ever. Nor do feats show it.

Really?

It was the same, and it being superior is irrelevant.

1 needs to grab someone mind, while Nagato can stripe off without gaining intel nor specific location.

Then I'll just stick with Obito evading his Ninjutsu bar Raiton.

Ok. Well intel is full away so he isn't going to use it stupidly.

LOL. Your retardation is your retardation. Here's Obito's Katon [

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] now it's your turn to give me any scans/quantification of Kakuzu's ninjutsu power that will match this. I'll wait..... and wait. Not to mention, Obito's is a stream and can be continiously fired, Kakuzu's is a one-time-fire-and-it's-over jutsu, so even if it matches initially (it won't), it still won't counter the stream.

Your Ad hom isn't going make you anymore right. Your claim of comparison was make believe. Period. So you want me to repeat myself?

Obito's Katon = Kakuzu Katon
Obito's Juubi Katon> Kakuzu Katon. Since its more chakra added and more range.
Kakuzu Katon+Futon is superior to a lone element, as they were already = in element before Juubi size.

Kakuzu range is inferior to Juubi size. But superior in power. So it overpowers what the range it can cover.

@Bold nope, not relevant when 1 is stronger, so the stronger will over power the steam and eat his own fire while his at it via Logic of exchange (DB3)

You have him this [

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]. That's incomparably weaker to Mei's Water Sprout and Water Dragon. Not to mention, the Katon Madara used there was MUCH smaller then his Juubi sized Katon so your point is completely flawed. Suiton's presence doesn't counter it if it can't xtinguish the entire flame. You can't possibly think aiming suiton at the middle of the Katon but not at the areas that won't reach your body is actually countering it? The Katon would still be going forward and evaporating the Suiton (surrounds it) faster then the Katon is being extinguished. More then likely my last post if you keep these low-quality illogical arguments up.

You have no evidence for bold, so not worth mentioning. Um no my example isn't flaw, I addressed it clearly above. And stop being dumb, I clearly stated its being combine with Futon not Suiton alone. It will similar priorities to Naruto and Yamato's jutsu combo.

Ejblack always trying to nerf the bito

Obviously Im going to nerf someone whos completely superior to his opponent to make a match up Lol.

So what did we learn here? Ej was wrong simple.

First you sound dumb @ post 23. It seem once again you dont know how to read, and just bandwagon.

 

[Zexion~]

The smaller the flame is the more heat/energy it actually contains usually I believe via Oxidation.

Obito's Katon is still tanked though.

@KG The hearts were pretty clearly shown to move when Kakuzu was dead...

Couldn't Obito extract his soul from the threads? They're part of his body, I don't see why Obito wouldn't always attempt to blindside human path everyone if it was such a fast process.

 

[KidGamer65]

The smaller the flame is the more heat/energy it actually contains usually I believe via Oxidation.

Obito's Katon is still tanked though.

@KG The hearts were pretty clearly shown to move when Kakuzu was dead...

Then you'd be wise to post a scan.

What you mean Obito = Kakashi strike speed, to which Kakuzu can react to? Add on to what I already said about coverage, its not irrelevant.

Since when? As for the underlined, do you have any scans of Kakuzu reacting to a point blank blinside attack from Kakashi? If not this point doesn't stand. Ever.

I didnt bother restricting Izanagi cause I didnt think no one would arguing Obito using for his MS. So lets assume its actually restricted.

:lol

Dude, seriously what the hell are you attempting to debunked here?
How the hell were the Mask able to attack and see everyone in the Darui's Division, especially when we seen one out right attack Ten Ten, completely away from Kakuzu. When Kakuzu was being pressured by

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. The hell your saying @underline? This canon bro via Kakashi's/Team 10 fight

And where was Darui? If he wasn't on the same battlefield or the same area in sight you'd have a point.

It's not like it matters anyway, because having more eyes on it doesn't prove he'll react to it in time to do anything.

1 needs to grab someone mind, while Nagato can stripe off without gaining intel nor specific location.

How in the hell do you grab someone's mind? :lol. Please don't start this grasping at straws BS. Human Path let's you rip someone's soul out after touching them. No one ever said touching the head was a requirement to take souls. To read minds? Sure. To take souls? No.

Besides, this is Obito in his own body. Not Obito dividing his power via Pain. Doesn't even apply.

 

[Zexion~]

Then you'd be wise to post a scan.




Since when? As for the underlined, do you have any scans of Kakuzu reacting to a point blank blinside attack from Kakashi? If not this point doesn't stand. Ever.



:lol




And where was Darui? If he wasn't on the same battlefield or the same area in sight you'd have a point.

It's not like it matters anyway, because having more eyes on it doesn't prove he'll react to it in time to do anything.









How in the hell do you grab someone's mind? :lol. Please don't start this grasping at straws BS. Human Path let's you rip someone's soul out after touching them. No one ever said touching the head was a requirement to take souls. To read minds? Sure. To take souls? No.

Besides, this is Obito in his own body. Not Obito dividing his power via Pain. Doesn't even apply.

I have a feeling you know something I don't, but:

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[KidGamer65]

Just read the databook. I'll agree that they are separate entities.

I don't see why Obito wouldn't always attempt to blindside human path everyone if it was such a fast process.

:lol And let's not go here. It's a terrible argument to attempt to make.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Since when? As for the underlined, do you have any scans of Kakuzu reacting to a point blank blinside attack from Kakashi? If not this point doesn't stand. Ever.

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? @underline, Not how it works since Kakashi never encounter Kakuzu in his long range form, so how is it my burden. For Obito to encounter Kakuzu he will have to face thick layers on Jingou surrounding Kakuzu, along with Mask Blast.

:lol

Whats so funny.. The whole purpose of this thread is to make it a match up, not one sided.

And where was Darui? If he wasn't on the same battlefield or the same area in sight you'd have a point.

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It's not like it matters anyway, because having more eyes on it doesn't prove he'll react to it in time to do anything.

They have similar reaction abilities to Kakuzu who can react to Kakashi. So waiting for arms reach is all thats needed, due to full intel.

How in the hell do you grab someone's mind? :lol. Please don't start this grasping at straws BS. Human Path let's you rip someone's soul out after touching them. No one ever said touching the head was a requirement to take souls. To read minds? Sure. To take souls? No.

I wasnt using strawman. I was using poor choice of words, and assumed you would get what I was saying. Mind = the head area. Obito usage of Human Path, Im going by what he states how his feats can perform[

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].So I can only assume that works the same has Nagato's puppet

Besides, this is Obito in his own body. Not Obito dividing his power via Pain. Doesn't even apply.

Addressed by link, and also OBito is using 1 Rinnegan, which could also have an effect its power

 

[Zexion~]

Just read the databook. I'll agree that they are separate entities.



:lol And let's not go here. It's a terrible argument to attempt to make.

Not really you're saying Kakuzu would be completely blitzed by it. I'd say that depends on if its full intel or not.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not really you're saying Kakuzu would be completely blitzed by it. I'd say that depends on if its full intel or not.

And your counter argument is a terrible argument to make. "Why didn't he do it against his other opponents?" is a ridiculously flawed argument to make when his opponents that he faced with Rinnegan were Naruto, Gai, B, and Kakashi. Not only did they have him outnumbered, but 2 of them are faster than he is and the others can keep up. B doesn't count as he was in BM the whole time.

Your argument boils down to "he didn't blitz 3 people faster with Kamui+Human Path thus he doesn't do it to Kakuzu". Like I said, terrible argument man.

I'll get back to you later Ejblack.

 

[Zexion~]

And your counter argument is a terrible argument to make. "Why didn't he do it against his other opponents?" is a ridiculously flawed argument to make when his opponents that he faced with Rinnegan were Naruto, Gai, B, and Kakashi. Not only did they have him outnumbered, but 2 of them are faster than he is and the others can keep up. B doesn't count as he was in BM the whole time.

Your argument boils down to "he didn't blitz 3 people faster with Kamui+Human Path thus he doesn't do it to Kakuzu". Like I said, terrible argument man.

I'll get back to you later Ejblack.

I'm saying if they don't realize Obito used kamui to get behind them what does their speed matter? Anyways with full intel the minute he see's Obito teleporting he'll just move :lol

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm saying if they don't realize Obito used kamui to get behind them what does their speed matter? Anyways with full intel the minute he see's Obito teleporting he'll just move :lol

Which is completely irrelevant to the comparison of "is Kakuzu fast enough?". Then there's the fact that they would notice.

Then Obito just reappears where Kakuzu went, since Kakuzu foolishly thought that moving before Obito has initiated a second warp towards his location would let him escape. This isn't Hiraishin.

 

[Zexion~]

Which is completely irrelevant to the comparison of "is Kakuzu fast enough?". Then there's the fact that they would notice.

I....Never....Said....That >.>

Then Obito just reappears where Kakuzu went, since Kakuzu foolishly thought that moving before Obito has initiated a second warp towards his location would let him escape. This isn't Hiraishin.

Except how can he determine where Kakuzu went if he's already in the Kamui realm .-.? Or in the process of transporting.

I said move around becuase I'm keeping it IC, but after the first use of Kamui this way I don't see why Kakuzu can't just prep a jutsu when he see's Obito warping. Assuming he survives the first one.

 

[KidGamer65]

I....Never....Said....That >.>

Uh, ok. :lol

Except how can he determine where Kakuzu went if he's already in the Kamui realm .-.? Or in the process of transporting.

The same way he determines how all the people he teleports to are.

I said move around becuase I'm keeping it IC, but after the first use of Kamui this way I don't see why Kakuzu can't just prep a jutsu when he see's Obito warping. Assuming he survives the first one.

There is no "prep" a jutsu. His jutsu are fired off as blasts. He can't charge one up and then hold it. He can get himself ready to use a jutsu, but that doesn't mean that Obito would get hit. Either he evades it, blocks with the Gunbai, or traps Kakuzu in Uchiha Kaenjin, causing his attack to backfire on himself if he's using it from his own body and not a detached mask.

 

[Zexion~]

The same way he determines how all the people he teleports to are.

Visual sight before he teleports....

There is no "prep" a jutsu. His jutsu are fired off as blasts. He can't charge one up and then hold it. He can get himself ready to use a jutsu, but that doesn't mean that Obito would get hit. Either he evades it, blocks with the Gunbai, or traps Kakuzu in Uchiha Kaenjin, causing his attack to backfire on himself if he's using it from his own body and not a detached mask.

Well i'm assuming this is a quick process, and why would he be able to slam his hand on the ground if the jutsu is already being used? Also can't find the databook translation but i'm pretty sure this jutsu just burns things it touches and the exterior is all that's been shown to do that. But no matter he can tank any jutsu he has with domu anyways.

All of those things you said negate Human path happening btw.

I don't think he can beat rinnegan Obito like this but i'm just saying :lol

 

[NarutoX28]

I....Never....Said....That >.>



Except how can he determine where Kakuzu went if he's already in the Kamui realm .-.? Or in the process of transporting.

Honestly, it doesn't make sense, but Obito is shown to have a clue where he's warping to in their regular dimension despite he himself being in Kamui's Dimension. That's why he could warp towards KCM Naruto, Minato, or Sasuke (Post-Itachi) fight with ease.

I said move around becuase I'm keeping it IC, but after the first use of Kamui this way I don't see why Kakuzu can't just prep a jutsu when he see's Obito warping. Assuming he survives the first one.

Except that none of Kakuzu's techniques can outpace Obito's Kamui warp speed.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Obito is like Kakashi++++. He mid diffs

 

[EZQ]

Obito is like Kakashi++++. He mid diffs

Without intangibility? No way in hell.

MS Kakashi > MS Obito on a 1 on 1 battle.

Obito can outperform Kakashi against the same oponent because of his ghost mode. But if you take it away, it's not even close.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Without intangibility? No way in hell.

MS Kakashi > MS Obito

lel what? Give me some proof.

 

[EZQ]

lel what? Give me some proof.

1- MS Kakashi beats MS Obito by sending a clone to the kamui realm, rendering Obito's ghost mode a suicide move. Then it's just Obito without intangibility vs Kakashi without Kamui.

a- Kakashi is faster
b- Obito's ninjutsu gets side stepped or dodged via hiding like a mole
c- Genjutsu is a stalemate
d- Mokuton on Obito's level without zetsu body is a joke for Kakashi

2- Against the same opponent Obito out performs Kakashi because of his ghost mode. But you said Obito is like Kakashi++++ without intangibility (which is restricted here) so i just take your post as not legit.

 

[Lord Tywin]

1- MS Kakashi beats MS Obito by sending a clone to the kamui realm, rendering Obito's ghost mode a suicide move. Then it's just Obito without intangibility vs Kakashi without Kamui.

a- Kakashi is faster
b- Obito's ninjutsu gets side stepped or dodged via hiding like a mole
c- Genjutsu is a stalemate
d- Mokuton on Obito's level without zetsu body is a joke for Kakashi

2- Against the same opponent Obito out performs Kakashi because of his ghost mode. But you said Obito is like Kakashi++++ without intangibility (which is restricted here) so i just take your post as not legit.

By saying Kakashi+++++ I meant that Kakuzu fight Kakashi.
Huge difference between war arc kakashi and immortal duo arc Kakashi.
And in this fight Obito can teleport himself to Kamui. We've seen how fast he is when he teleports himself for attacking purposes. He even got a KCM Naruto off guard.
All of Kakuzu's ninjutsu are countered by his absurdly huge Katon. Once Kakuzu's vision is blocked Obito teleports himself behind Kakuzu and soul rips him.

 

[NarutoX28]

Actually, Obito displayed reflexes superior to KCM Naruto, so him being on par with MS Kakshi w/o intangibility isn't that surprising to me.

Additionally, War Arc Kakashi is much stronger and more reflexive than Immortals Arc Kakashi, so that's something to factor in here.