Kakuzu vs Obito.

[DrProof]

LMFAO, this dude.

But no. Underlined is wrong. He only has one life. He only prolongs it by swapping hearts.

That doesn't make sense breh. Kakuzu spreads out hearts. Each heart contains his chakra. Obito uses Human Path to take Kakuzu's main body's soul. How does the soul of the other 4 hearts get taken? I don't see that making any logical sense imo.

That's like Orochimaru spreading his chakra to multiple candidates through the cursed seal, and being killed/seal by Totsuka Blade - Then Sasuke reviving his soul because his chakra was still present. Chakra = Life; as long as your chakra is still prolonging within the world you are technically still alive.

Which is why when Kakuzu died he revived:

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[KidGamer65]

That doesn't make sense breh. Kakuzu spreads out hearts. Each heart contains his chakra. Obito uses Human Path to take Kakuzu's main body's soul. How does the soul of the other 4 hearts get taken? I don't see that making any logical sense imo.

That's like Orochimaru spreading his chakra to multiple candidates through the cursed seal, and being killed/seal by Totsuka Blade - Then Sasuke reviving his soul because his chakra was still present. Chakra = Life; as long as your chakra is still prolonging within the world you are technically still alive.

Which is why when Kakuzu died he revived:

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Like I said, there is only one soul.

1. Chakra keeps you alive. Doesn't change the fact that you only have one soul.
2. The other 4 hearts don't have souls. Hearts and souls have nothing to do with each other. That's why what you are claiming that makes no sense, really doesn't make sense. Because he isn't taking 5 souls at once. He's only taking Kakuzu's heart.

Orochimaru and the Cursed Seal are completely different. He used Senjutsu Chakra to put his consciousness into each Cursed Seal. That's nothing comparable to what Kakuzu does with his hearts. Your chakra being present in another vessel doesn't mean that once your soul is taken, you are still alive. It means that you are dead.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Ej your wrong Kakuzu has one soul and if it's removed he dies simple. Your acting like his ability is Izanagi or something.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Soul is chakra though

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That's literally Obito's spirit.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Um what? all those Jingou do cover him, plus with all his hearts and spawn 2 more behind him. Izanagi = Losing his MS Sharingan? Not IC...

Which is irrelevant, because covering him=/=Being able to do something when Obito actually attacks, or rather being able to do something before Obito rips his soul out. And Izanagi=losing MS after 10 minutes. Kakuzu dies in less than 3.

You know where to find them tho.. Anyway[

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If I knew where to find them I wouldn't be asking. Those scans literally show nothing. Kakuzu was present while those masks were attacking. Not once is there shown an example of his hearts acting when he was dead, or acting while he was incapacitated.

It was indirectly said. (or dont feel like finding it) But feats shown regardless.

No. Not once stated. Ever. Nor do feats show it.

Nagato's usage was different and superior, wasnt it?

It was the same, and it being superior is irrelevant.

Obv I know how it works. The question I asked if it = Preta priorities or Samehada? as both absorbs jutsu and one inferior then the other. Cause your gonna need evidence.

Then I'll just stick with Obito evading his Ninjutsu bar Raiton.

 

[KidGamer65]

Soul is chakra though

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That's literally Obito's spirit.

:lol. He says that chakra has the power to connect both worlds. All you see is Obito's soul enter Kakashi's body, thus giving him his power along with his chakra. Chakra is inside Obito's soul, but the soul is obviously not chakra.

 

[NarutoX28]

I re quote myself, addressing this:

You got me with the final scan you presented there.

 

[Lord Tywin]

:lol. He says that chakra has the power to connect both worlds. All you see is Obito's soul enter Kakashi's body, thus giving him his power along with his chakra. Chakra is inside Obito's soul, but the soul is obviously not chakra.

That means if you have chakra in you, you will have a part of your soul as well

 

[KidGamer65]

That means if you have chakra in you, you will have a part of your soul as well

Wrong, because chakra is not the soul. Soul can contain chakra. Lol are you guys really going to try and argue that the soul and chakra are one in the same? Please don't.

 

[NarutoX28]

Don't be foolish. Domu tanks Kamui (immortal body = Domu). Domu tanks Tailed Beast Balls (Immortal body). Domu tanks Genjutsu (Domu hardens his mind making it impossible to perform illusion tricks). Domu tanks absorption (you can't absorb a rock) Domu tanks human path (Rocks don't have souls).

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Obito would have to use Human Path x5 since a life counts as a soul technically.

He doesn't need Human Path.

Kakuzu cannot sense at all, KCM Naruto struggled reacting to Obito's Kamui Warp despite having sensing which would enable him to pinpoint where Obito warped.

Since Kakuzu has lower reflexes along with no sensing feats, then War Obito warps behind him, and proceeds to warp him to Box Land.

Human Path isn't needed at all.

 

[DrProof]

Like I said, there is only one soul.

1. Chakra keeps you alive. Doesn't change the fact that you only have one soul.
2. The other 4 hearts don't have souls. Hearts and souls have nothing to do with each other. That's why what you are claiming that makes no sense, really doesn't make sense. Because he isn't taking 5 souls at once. He's only taking Kakuzu's heart.

Orochimaru and the Cursed Seal are completely different. He used Senjutsu Chakra to put his consciousness into each Cursed Seal. That's nothing comparable to what Kakuzu does with his hearts. Your chakra being present in another vessel doesn't mean that once your soul is taken, you are still alive. It means that you are dead.

Ej your wrong Kakuzu has one soul and if it's removed he dies simple. Your acting like his ability is Izanagi or something.

Soul is chakra though

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That's literally Obito's spirit.

Kratos is correct guys.

The soul = Chakra. If chakra is still left, part of the soul is still left. Main case:

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Hagoromo is dead, and from your perspective if you're dead you're soul goes with you, meaning your chakra as well is diminished. However, in this case Hagoromo's is dead, but his soul still lingers due him preserving his chakra throughout time.

So the soul = chakra.

 

[NarutoX28]

Kakuzu pumps his own chakra through all of the hearts, so essentially, they all share the same soul.

 

[DrProof]

Kakuzu pumps his own chakra through all of the hearts, so essentially, they all share the same soul.

Mhm. And once he spreads said chakra around human path would need to take his soul x5. It's similar in application to what Hagoromo had done.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Kratos is correct guys.

The soul = Chakra. If chakra is still left, part of the soul is still left. Main case:

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Hagoromo is dead, and from your perspective if you're dead you're soul goes with you, meaning your chakra as well is diminished. However, in this case Hagoromo's is dead, but his soul still lingers due him preserving his chakra throughout time.

So the soul = chakra.

I was looking for the explanation from Hagoromo as how he's a mass of floating chakra

 

[KidGamer65]

Kratos is correct guys.

The soul = Chakra. If chakra is still left, part of the soul is still left. Main case:

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Hagoromo is dead, and from your perspective if you're dead you're soul goes with you, meaning your chakra as well is diminished. However, in this case Hagoromo's is dead, but his soul still lingers due him preserving his chakra throughout time.

So the soul = chakra.

He's literally in the same condition Obito was when he appeared before Kakashi after dying. A soul who is taking form with chakra. Does that mean that every bit of chakra contains the user's soul? Or rather a piece of the user's soul? Obviously not.

-Was Minato's soul in Naruto's body? Kushina too? Because their chakra was inside of his body until it was used up.
-Did the Shinobi alliance each carry a piece of Naruto's soul when he split his chakra? No.

There is no "part of the soul" left. The only way to partition your soul is to do it how Orochimaru did it. Otherwise, you only have one soul. All your examples invol

 

[NarutoX28]

Mhm. And once he spreads said chakra around human path would need to take his soul x5. It's similar in application to what Hagoromo had done.

That doesn't make sense because you're literally assuming that your soul can be split amongst multiple individuals.

That doesn't make sense or else Naruto's soul would've been dispersed between thousands of ninja during the Shinobi World War Arc.

Obviously not. If the hearts had their own chakra, they would have their own soul. Instead, they use Kakuzu's chakra, so thus, they don't have a soul of their own.

Not that it matters, just because Kakuzu dies doesn't mean all of the hearts would be rendered useless as they can act on their own regardless. Not even sure why I was arguing in the first place.

Edit: Though without Kakuzu, there's a lack of nature manipulation which means the mask's strengths are rendered useless.

 

[Lord Tywin]

He's literally in the same condition Obito was when he appeared before Kakashi after dying. A soul who is taking form with chakra. Does that mean that every bit of chakra contains the user's soul? Or rather a piece of the user's soul? Obviously not.

-Was Minato's soul in Naruto's body? Kushina too? Because their chakra was inside of his body until it was used up.
-Did the Shinobi alliance each carry a piece of Naruto's soul when he split his chakra? No.

There is no "part of the soul" left. The only way to partition your soul is to do it how Orochimaru did it. Otherwise, you only have one soul. All your examples invol

You might be right

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Orochimaru here says that he put his chakra in the CM users, while putting his consciousness with them. It implies that chakra and consciousness are two different things.

 

[Apêx1]

Your make believe size comparison is make believe. Also irrelevant because Kakuzu's just needs to cover enough field-range and is more concentrated. So Kakuzu's Katon can cover over powers the katon and protects Kakuzu, to what it can cover.

LOL. Your retardation is your retardation. Here's Obito's Katon [

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] now it's your turn to give me any scans/quantification of Kakuzu's ninjutsu power that will match this. I'll wait..... and wait. Not to mention, Obito's is a stream and can be continiously fired, Kakuzu's is a one-time-fire-and-it's-over jutsu, so even if it matches initially (it won't), it still won't counter the stream.

The water jutsu I gave is stronger then the water jutsu that canonically counter Madara's Katon[

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] (which = Obito's). All Juubi size does is cover more range and power, thus can't counterbalance with just Suiton. Which Futon combination comes in play.

You have him this [

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]. That's incomparably weaker to Mei's Water Sprout and Water Dragon. Not to mention, the Katon Madara used there was MUCH smaller then his Juubi sized Katon so your point is completely flawed. Suiton's presence doesn't counter it if it can't xtinguish the entire flame. You can't possibly think aiming suiton at the middle of the Katon but not at the areas that won't reach your body is actually countering it? The Katon would still be going forward and evaporating the Suiton (surrounds it) faster then the Katon is being extinguished. More then likely my last post if you keep these low-quality illogical arguments up.

 

[Unorthodox]

Ejblack always trying to nerf the bito

 

[TRE MERCER]

So what did we learn here? Ej was wrong simple.