Kakuzu vs Obito.

[Brother Numpsay]

Conditions:
-Kakuzu's feat-less element Mask can use Grea****er fall tech (high Suiton).
-Obito's other eye is Rinnegan

Restrictions:

- Intangibility
- Cant transport other's to Kamui
- Gezo

Distance: Reason

Intel: Full

Scenario 2:

Transporting Kakuzu is allowed

 

[EZQ]

No intangibility?

Kakuzu has high chances on both scenarios

 

[EZQ]

No intangibility?

Kakuzu has high chances on both scenarios

 

[BLAZE]

Obito Uses Kamui to to catch Kakuzu off gaurd and rips his soul via Jigokudo

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito still shits on him.

-Teleporting is allowed, thus he can teleport to evade Kakuzu's attacks, and teleport to blindside him with Human Path.
-Uchiha Kaenjin can be used to trap Kakuzu, preventing him from being able to do anything when Obito warps to him.
-Gunbai can absorb his Ninjutsu and redirect it, so that's a GG for any mask that attacks.

 

[Apêx1]

Obito still stomps. His Katon is on another level anyways, not sure how Katon+Futon would compare but I doubt it'd stand a chance. And, as KG said, Human Paths can one shot.

 

[Zexion~]

His Katon is tanked, and Kakuzu's combination should still be naturally stronger than it.

His teleportation isn't his fastest technique, so there's still a chance Kakuzu can win.

Gunbai seals it though.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

-Teleporting is allowed, thus he can teleport to evade Kakuzu's attacks, and teleport to blindside him with Human Path.

Wouldnt Kakuzu expect that with full intel? And use Long range Mode. But this time his back covered with other 2 masks, he didnt have facing Naruto.

-Uchiha Kaenjin can be used to trap Kakuzu, preventing him from being able to do anything when Obito warps to him.

A closed in area against a mid range fight works out perfectly for Kakuzu.

1. He can hide his arm for back up.
2. Long range mode covers all blind spots.

-Gunbai can absorb his Ninjutsu and redirect it, so that's a GG for any mask that attacks.

Lol no, the only vulnerable mask here is Raiton, since its not a wide effect range jutsu. He gets caught in the blast while absorbing others.

Obito still stomps. His Katon is on another level anyways, not sure how Katon+Futon would compare but I doubt it'd stand a chance. And, as KG said, Human Paths can one shot.

Obito's Katon gets overpower easily. The only one worth mentioning is when Obito's puts enough chakra to make it Juubi size. But still gets overpowered by Kakuzu's own Katon+ Futon (Zukokku version not the basic element stream version used against Kakashi). As we know Kakuzu's high level Katon = Obito's alone. Or Suiton+Futon[

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[Apêx1]

Wouldnt Kakuzu expect that with full intel? And use Long range Mode. But this time his back covered with other 2 masks, he didnt have facing Naruto.



A closed in area against a mid range fight works out perfectly for Kakuzu.

1. He can hide his arm for back up.
2. Long range mode covers all blind spots.



Lol no, the only vulnerable mask here is Raiton, since its not a wide effect range jutsu. He gets caught in the blast while absorbing others.



Obito's Katon gets overpower easily. The only one worth mentioning is when Obito's puts enough chakra to make it Juubi size. But still gets overpowered by Kakuzu's own Katon+ Futon (Zukokku version not the basic element stream version used against Kakashi). As we know Kakuzu's high level Katon = Obito's alone. Or Suiton+Futon[

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], which will increase the water damage done.

Lol, Juubi sized Katon is like 40x the size of Kakuzu's. The Water jutsu you gave him is not going to do shit to his Juubi sized Katon, even when enhanced by Futon. Being an elemental disadvantage doesn't mean anything if it isn't close in terms of power.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lol, Juubi sized Katon is like 40x the size of Kakuzu's.

Your make believe size comparison is make believe. Also irrelevant because Kakuzu's just needs to cover enough field-range and is more concentrated. So Kakuzu's Katon can cover over powers the katon and protects Kakuzu, to what it can cover.

The Water jutsu you gave him is not going to do shit to his Juubi sized Katon, even when enhanced by Futon. Being an elemental disadvantage doesn't mean anything if it isn't close in terms of power.

The water jutsu I gave is stronger then the water jutsu that canonically counter Madara's Katon[

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] (which = Obito's). All Juubi size does is cover more range and power, thus can't counterbalance with just Suiton. Which Futon combination comes in play.

 

[KidGamer65]

And the Kakuzu overrating continues.

Wouldnt Kakuzu expect that with full intel? And use Long range Mode. But this time his back covered with other 2 masks, he didnt have facing Naruto.

Irrelevant since knowing it's coming doesn't do jack to actually help him not get his soul ripped out after the fact. Then there's the fact that the masks are controlled by him. They aren't beings with their own mind thus they can't cover his blindspot. That's like saying a Mokuton construct can cover Hashirama's blindspot when the construct doesn't operate with it's own will.

A closed in area against a mid range fight works out perfectly for Kakuzu.

1. He can hide his arm for back up.

Which is irrelevant since he gets his soul ripped out before he can even have his arm blindside Obito.

2. Long range mode covers all blind spots.

No, long range mode lets him attack from all blind spots. It doesn't change the fact that those are blind spots nor will it stop Obito from ripping his soul out.

Lol no, the only vulnerable mask here is Raiton, since its not a wide effect range jutsu. He gets caught in the blast while absorbing others.

Them having a wide range literally changes nothing. They get absorbed and redirected. If Kakuzu tries to use another jutsu, Obito simply finishes absorbing the first one and then dodges the second one. Or he just stops absorbing altogether and evades.

 

[NarutoX28]

Rinnegan Obito still stomps.

His Ninjutsu, thanks to Hashi DNA and Rikudou Chakra allows him to produce Juubi-Sized Katon which dwarfs any combo that Kakuzu is capable of.

Rinnegan Obito also displayed that he had the speed and reflexes required to evade some of KCM Naruto's attacks without Kamui and also had the reflexes to combat Base Gai and Kakashi, the latter being able to react to V2 Jin. That, along with a ranged weapon that can also reflect Ninjutsu would allow him to secure the win fairly easily.

With feats, I don't understand why War Arc Obito would have trouble evading Kakuzu's Ninjutsu IMO when even Ino, Chouji, and Shikamaru were capable of doing so.

 

[NarutoX28]

Your make believe size comparison is make believe. Also irrelevant because Kakuzu's just needs to cover enough field-range and is more concentrated. So Kakuzu's Katon can cover over powers the katon and protects Kakuzu, to what it can cover.

The Hachibi is literally an ant compared to the Juubi and the Hachibi literally dwarfs Kakuzu's Katon + Futon combo shown here:

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Kakuzu's Katon has the tendency to disperse over a large area. Even then, the massive size difference implies Obito's Katon would easily overwhelm Kakuzu's Katon.

The water jutsu I gave is stronger then the water jutsu that canonically counter Madara's Katon[

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] (which = Obito's). All Juubi size does is cover more range and power, thus can't counterbalance it. Which Futon combination comes in play.

I don't recall Kakuzu ever having Suiton. He's only shown to have 4 masks, none that ever had used Suiton even in the War Arc.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Irrelevant since knowing it's coming doesn't do jack to actually help him not get his soul ripped out after the fact. Then there's the fact that the masks are controlled by him. They aren't beings with their own mind thus they can't cover his blindspot. That's like saying a Mokuton construct can cover Hashirama's blindspot when the construct doesn't operate with it's own will.

For Obito to soul rip, he would not to use it exactly like Nagato's puppet usage. Which is being covered by massive Jingou.

If @Bold is true, how are they able to help a dead Kakuzu? How are they able to fight on their own in War Arc?

What @underline? So Mokiton can act as a separate organism (as manga states Kakuzu's hearts do). Nope, if Hashirama dies, Mokuton is finished canonically shown after Madara gets blown by Hirudora.

Which is irrelevant since he gets his soul ripped out before he can even have his arm blindside Obito.

Only fodders as shown to be powerless of fighting for their soul. Dont see why can he can't fight for it before evoked, as its not instant.

No, long range mode lets him attack from all blind spots. It doesn't change the fact that those are blind spots nor will it stop Obito from ripping his soul out.

Addressed.

Them having a wide range literally changes nothing. They get absorbed and redirected. If Kakuzu tries to use another jutsu, Obito simply finishes absorbing the first one and then dodges the second one. Or he just stops absorbing altogether and evades.

It means nothing? Sure, then you basically saying that what the Gunbai can't cover is going to kill Obito. Unless you think the Gunbai is swallowing the whole jutsu like Preta Parth

The Hachibi is literally an ant compared to the Juubi and the Hachibi literally dwarfs Kakuzu's Katon + Futon combo shown here:

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Kakuzu's Katon has the tendency to disperse over a large area. Even then, the massive size difference implies Obito's Katon would easily overwhelm Kakuzu's Katon.

I addressed this, what you are seeing in this scan is Mask using their basic element stream (similar to what Hiruzen did against Spiral Zetsu). Not the actual jutsu he could perform with Katon[

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I don't recall Kakuzu ever having Suiton. He's only shown to have 4 masks, none that ever had used Suiton even in the War Arc.

Read OP.

 

[NarutoX28]

You claimed Featless Mask which I'm assuming you're referring to a hypothetical "Suiton" Mask.

Kakuzu only has Doton, Futon, Raiton, and Katon. He doesn't have a Suiton Mask.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You claimed Featless Mask which I'm assuming you're referring to a hypothetical "Suiton" Mask.

Kakuzu only has Doton, Futon, Raiton, and Katon. He doesn't have a Suiton Mask.

I re quote myself, addressing this:

Lets not forget he has high level Suiton Kakashi took out first. Base on Kakashi statement, he can use all 5 elements at high level:

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We know this for sure that "[

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[KidGamer65]

For Obito to soul rip, he would not to use it exactly like Nagato's puppet usage. Which is being covered by massive Jingou.

What? If you are saying he has to touch Kakuzu to rip his soul out then yes, that's obvious, but that doesn't matter since Obito can teleport right to his body and rip his soul out, and no, Jiongu

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cover all spots of his body. One touch and pull and Kakuzu's life is over. And if he really wants to make this one sided, he simply uses Izanagi to become invincible for 10 minutes.

If @Bold is true, how are they able to help a dead Kakuzu? How are they able to fight on their own in War Arc?

Scan of both? Don't remember anything involving Kakuzu in the War Arc and I'm pretty sure that his hearts just re enter his body when the current heart gets destroyed.

What @underline? So Mokiton can act as a separate organism (as manga states Kakuzu's hearts do). Nope, if Hashirama dies, Mokuton is finished canonically shown after Madara gets blown by Hirudora.

1. Manga never says that Kakuzu's hearts can operate as a separate will. If so, provide a scan.
2. Read before you reply. That is my point. That is what your comparison is like.

Only fodders as shown to be powerless of fighting for their soul. Dont see why can he can't fight for it before evoked, as its not instant.

Only Naruto has shown to be capable of fighting for his soul. Unless you are going to draw a comparison between KCM Naruto and Kakuzu, this point shouldn't have been brought up anyway.

Addressed.

Not really.

It means nothing? Sure, then you basically saying that what the Gunbai can't cover is going to kill Obito. Unless you think the Gunbai is swallowing the whole jutsu like Preta Parth

That's how it works. It absorbs the jutsu and then redirects it. It doesn't block the jutsu like a shield. It absorbs it.

 

[DrProof]

What? If you are saying he has to touch Kakuzu to rip his soul out then yes, that's obvious, but that doesn't matter since Obito can teleport right to his body and rip his soul out, and no, Jiongu

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cover all spots of his body. One touch and pull and Kakuzu's life is over. And if he really wants to make this one sided, he simply uses Izanagi to become invincible for 10 minutes.



Scan of both? Don't remember anything involving Kakuzu in the War Arc and I'm pretty sure that his hearts just re enter his body when the current heart gets destroyed.



1. Manga never says that Kakuzu's hearts can operate as a separate will. If so, provide a scan.
2. Read before you reply. That is my point. That is what your comparison is like.





Only Naruto has shown to be capable of fighting for his soul. Unless you are going to draw a comparison between KCM Naruto and Kakuzu, this point shouldn't have been brought up anyway.



Not really.



That's how it works. It absorbs the jutsu and then redirects it. It doesn't block the jutsu like a shield. It absorbs it.

Don't be foolish. Domu tanks Kamui (immortal body = Domu). Domu tanks Tailed Beast Balls (Immortal body). Domu tanks Genjutsu (Domu hardens his mind making it impossible to perform illusion tricks). Domu tanks absorption (you can't absorb a rock) Domu tanks human path (Rocks don't have souls).

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Obito would have to use Human Path x5 since a life counts as a soul technically.

 

[KidGamer65]

Don't be foolish. Domu tanks Kamui (immortal body = Domu). Domu tanks Tailed Beast Balls (Immortal body). Domu tanks Genjutsu (Domu hardens his mind making it impossible to perform illusion tricks). Domu tanks absorption (you can't absorb a rock) Domu tanks human path (Rocks don't have souls).

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Obito would have to use Human Path x5 since a life counts as a soul technically.

LMFAO, this dude.

But no. Underlined is wrong. He only has one life. He only prolongs it by swapping hearts.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Reply after ball.

What? If you are saying he has to touch Kakuzu to rip his soul out then yes, that's obvious, but that doesn't matter since Obito can teleport right to his body and rip his soul out, and no, Jiongu

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cover all spots of his body. One touch and pull and Kakuzu's life is over. And if he really wants to make this one sided, he simply uses Izanagi to become invincible for 10 minutes.

Um what? all those Jingou do cover him, plus with all his hearts and spawn 2 more behind him. Izanagi = Losing his MS Sharingan? Not IC...

Scan of both? Don't remember anything involving Kakuzu in the War Arc and I'm pretty sure that his hearts just re enter his body when the current heart gets destroyed.

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1. Manga never says that Kakuzu's hearts can operate as a separate will. If so, provide a scan.
2. Read before you reply. That is my point. That is what your comparison is like.

It was indirectly said. (or dont feel like finding it) But feats shown regardless.

Only Naruto has shown to be capable of fighting for his soul. Unless you are going to draw a comparison between KCM Naruto and Kakuzu, this point shouldn't have been brought up anyway.

Nagato's usage was different and superior, wasnt it?

That's how it works. It absorbs the jutsu and then redirects it. It doesn't block the jutsu like a shield. It absorbs it.

Obv I know how it works. The question I asked if it = Preta priorities or Samehada? as both absorbs jutsu and one inferior then the other. Cause your gonna need evidence.