[Theory] Dragon past, A PIRATE...............

[pnbhatta]

This is my first time making a thread, expecting all kind of comments and suggestions. So love me or hate me its up to you, here i go..........

Dragon, the leader of revolutionary army, being a pirate previously. Maybe he was among the fleet of the gold lion shiki (even i dont who he is actually, and i havent watched any one piece movies). Something might have happen in the past to dragon that made him to leave the pirate and become a revolutionary and oppose the world government. Maybe when shiki was asking Gol D Roger to work with him and the quote roger replied change him, i dont know like how he admire him, umm like as same in case of bartolomeo and luffy, where luffy being pirate king and bartolomeo the dragon, but this seems to far fetched out.

okay any way back to dragon, What if dragon was like you know enlightened when roger said about being free. maybe at this moment dragon thought that he will from now on stop being a pirate and help other to be free, like he was freed from his mind by roger. But as we have heard dragon was capturing the countries that were previously under the world government, but for what could have been capturing according to news spread by the world government, it could also be freedom of those countries from world government from the view point of dragon or revolutionary army.

I am sorry but i dont have any proof or any anything to give to my theory, its just, i dont know i just felt like it.....

This is my first thread, so plz any suggestion will be appreciated.........

 

[Skull Knight]

I disagree.
Dragon had to be Ex-Marine.

 

[pnbhatta]

Why, why is that?????
so then what made him revolt against the marines he used to be a part of???????

 

[Shroud]

Dragon is a mystery no one know who he is

 

[Skull Knight]

Why, why is that?????
so then what made him revolt against the marines he used to be a part of???????

Dragon must have joined marines like his father or his father may have told him to.
he must have undertaken lots of secret missions.
He saw nasty things done by Marines in Name of Justice(like buster call and Laws country massacre).
He must have saw Celestial dragons cruelty and left the marines afterwards.
He must have protected citizens/slaves(like Sabo) from Celestial dragons.
Admirals thought he could possibly became a threat in near future so they put him in there wanted list.(like missing ninja becomes for there village)
That is how he became Most Wanted Man in OPverse.

 

[pnbhatta]

Dragon is a mystery no one know who he is

Thats why its just a theory mate, coz no one knows who he is!!!!!!

 

[Punk Hazard]

I disagree.
Dragon had to be Ex-Marine.

This would go so good for the story. It'd add so much depth to Garp's character and strengthen his desire to make Luffy and Ace Marines, and also the pain he must have endured at Marineford.

 

[pnbhatta]

Dragon must have joined marines like his father or his father may have told him to.
he must have undertaken lots of secret missions.
He saw nasty things done by Marines in Name of Justice(like buster call and Laws country massacre).
He must have saw Celestial dragons cruelty and left the marines afterwards.
He must have protected citizens/slaves(like Sabo) from Celestial dragons.
Admirals thought he could possibly became a threat in near future so they put him in there wanted list.(like missing ninja becomes for there village)
That is how he became Most Wanted Man in OPverse.

Marines doing nasty things, things celestial dragon did, salves, these are the things i believe every citizen knows, so i dont see a point that its only a marine who knows such cruel things going on...
but about being a marine officer, i believe he was like a undercover agent, just like roscinate (sorry i forgot his name, brother of doflamingo, what was his name???) and during those period he also might have seen something or witnessed some unusual part of world government that nobody knows, so may ran away from the government. And now the government fears that those secret dragon knows.
maybe maybe not, who kows???????? Dragon sure is a mystery.............................

This would go so good for the story. It'd add so much depth to Garp's character and strengthen his desire to make Luffy and Ace Marines, and also the pain he must have endured at Marineford.

That could work too, if he was a marine officer then i believe he should have been at least been an admiral level right. Then dont u ever thought or noticed why no one has ever talked about dragon in the entire series. I mean an admiral must have left a big hole in the marines when he revolted against them, even though no one ever talked about it, they left it like it was not a big deal an admiral leaving.
but what i like to believe is even if he was a marine he might even be a undercover agent that maybe garp put to uncover about some pirate in the past, like it was with doflmingo, but then dragon left marine for whatever he witnessed or forshaw about some thing going on or some doing of world government that no one ever thought a government would do!!!
and maybe thats also why garp wants ace and luffy to become a marine officer, remember a officer not some agent or something, garp wanted those two child to grow up from the bottom of marines level.... like from a officer rising to admirals or whatever they can be............

 

[Skull Knight]

This would go so good for the story. It'd add so much depth to Garp's character and strengthen his desire to make Luffy and Ace Marines, and also the pain he must have endured at Marineford.

I agree.
i donot know if u remember this or not but Garp didnot liked Shanks when he entered Marineford.(as he blames shanks that Luffy became a pirate)

That could work too, if he was a marine officer then i believe he should have been at least been an admiral level right. Then dont u ever thought or noticed why no one has ever talked about dragon in the entire series. I mean an admiral must have left a big hole in the marines when he revolted against them, even though no one ever talked about it, they left it like it was not a big deal an admiral leaving.
but what i like to believe is even if he was a marine he might even be a undercover agent that maybe garp put to uncover about some pirate in the past, like it was with doflmingo, but then dragon left marine for whatever he witnessed or forshaw about some thing going on or some doing of world government that no one ever thought a government would do!!!
and maybe thats also why garp wants ace and luffy to become a marine officer, remember a officer not some agent or something, garp wanted those two child to grow up from the bottom of marines level.... like from a officer rising to admirals or whatever they can be............

Dragon could be a vice-admiral(before leaving his position).
Nobody talk about Jaguar D Saul.He was also a vice admiral who died protecting Robin.He also betrayed Marines
So Dragon being a marine is not a bad theory.

Marines doing nasty things, things celestial dragon did, salves, these are the things i believe every citizen knows, so i dont see a point that its only a marine who knows such cruel things going on...
but about being a marine officer, i believe he was like a undercover agent, just like roscinate (sorry i forgot his name, brother of doflamingo, what was his name???) and during those period he also might have seen something or witnessed some unusual part of world government that nobody knows, so may ran away from the government. And now the government fears that those secret dragon knows.
maybe maybe not, who kows???????? Dragon sure is a mystery.............................

I remember a part(it was Koala background story) where a Marine officer came to kill Fisher Tiger.
He said he was here to claim Koala back as she was Celestial Dragon's property now.
do u think Dragon will tolerate that(luffy didnot tolerate it)
D's are different. they donot tolerate Celestial dragons. Dragon must have seen how cruel they are, that's why he wants to change everything.

 

[pnbhatta]

I agree.
i donot know if u remember this or not but Garp didnot liked Shanks when he entered Marineford.(as he blames shanks that Luffy became a pirate)



Dragon could be a vice-admiral(before leaving his position).
Nobody talk about Jaguar D Saul.He was also a vice admiral who died protecting Robin.He also betrayed Marines
So Dragon being a marine is not a bad theory.

marines not talking about saul might be because i think he is dead and i believe dead people donot possess a threat, unless off course this is a horror movie and ghost tries to bite off.....

I remember a part(it was Koala background story) where a Marine officer came to kill Fisher Tiger.
He said he was here to claim Koala back as she was Celestial Dragon's property now.
do u think Dragon will tolerate that(luffy didnot)
D's are different. they donot tolerate Celestial dragons. Dragon must have seen how cruel they are, that's why he wants to change everything.

wasnt that marine kizaru...??? i believed he was the one who killed or lets say nearly killed of fisher tiger or left him to die???

but what are you trying to say that luffy did not, luffy almost or half killed that celestial dragon when they where at auction of that mermaid girl (whats her name, its cami right??) u remember her...
BUT fisher tiger fought with the so called "GOD" celestial dragon to free the slave was not because they were either their friend or relatives or whatever, he fought because he himself was a SLAVE..... before that fisher tiger a fishmen, who usually hates the human, would never care to fight against the so called celestial who rule above all. he fought only because he himself was captured, and it was a shame because a fishmen who thinks that they are superior to the human to be merely caught by the so called humans.. but when he was captured he saw what a celestial dragons did to their slave, well nobody knows what they did to them. so pitied them and rescued, so thats why fisher tiger fought kizaru to free koala......
so my point being dragon saving koala or lets say taking under his wings just like he did to sabo, was maybe he also knew the painful behind being a TOOL to those celestial dragons... maybe he discovered something that made him revolt against the world government, something that made him believe that we were not free..

 

[Skull Knight]

marines not talking about saul might be because i think he is dead and i believe dead people donot possess a threat, unless off course this is a horror movie and ghost tries to bite off.....

thats not the case with OP.
we have seen so many people talking about Gold D roger, Whitebeard and now the guy who gave Zoro his sword in Thriller Bark.
They do talk about dead peoples.
Its just that Marines donot like those people who donot follow them or Betray them. I m sure we will never see Marines talking about Vergo as he betrayed them.

wasnt that marine kizaru...??? i believed he was the one who killed or lets say nearly killed of fisher tiger or left him to die???

but what are you trying to say that luffy did not, luffy almost or half killed that celestial dragon when they where at auction of that mermaid girl (whats her name, its cami right??) u remember her...
BUT fisher tiger fought with the so called "GOD" celestial dragon to free the slave was not because they were either their friend or relatives or whatever, he fought because he himself was a SLAVE..... before that fisher tiger a fishmen, who usually hates the human, would never care to fight against the so called celestial who rule above all. he fought only because he himself was captured, and it was a shame because a fishmen who thinks that they are superior to the human to be merely caught by the so called humans.. but when he was captured he saw what a celestial dragons did to their slave, well nobody knows what they did to them. so pitied them and rescued, so thats why fisher tiger fought kizaru to free koala......
so my point being dragon saving koala or lets say taking under his wings just like he did to sabo, was maybe he also knew the painful behind being a TOOL to those celestial dragons... maybe he discovered something that made him revolt against the world government, something that made him believe that we were not free..

sorry i mean to say Luffy didnot tolerate that Celestial Dragons.
D's never tolerate Celestial Dragons. that's why celestial dragons hates them. it was already mentioned in Dressrosa arc. That is why corazon took law away from Doffy(as doffy would kill Law just because he was a D). Besides Law & Corazan relationship didnot started well at the beginning(maybe because Law was a D and corazon was a former Celestial dragon).
and it was not Kizaru. it was somebody else who came to get koala back.I think Jimbei killed him.
The point is not that.Garp wanted his grandson to become Marine. He definately wanted his son to also join Marine. So Yes I think Dragon was once a Marine but at some point his ideas and visions changed.

 

[pnbhatta]

thats not the case with OP.
we have seen so many people talking about Gold D roger, Whitebeard and now the guy who gave Zoro his sword in Thriller Bark.
They do talk about dead peoples.
Its just that Marines donot like those people who donot follow them or Betray them. I m sure we will never see Marines talking about Vergo as he betrayed them.

They talk about roger and whitebeard because they were the reason for the start of the great pirate era, as you see during the execution of roger he said about his treasure that created the big pirate era, and whitebeared was said to be the most strongest man when he was alive.... so they cannot just forget the people who have named themselves as a legend, but i dont see anyone talking about the samurai ryuma, the one who gave zoro his sword, nobody is talking about him, as he was once knows as the man who slayed a dragon, not the revolutionary dragon but a serious living animal a dragon
and also maybe vergo is dead for sure tough.... had he been alive now and the marines knows the betrayal of vergo, they will not let it go easily, and i dont think nobody knows about his betrayal except smoker and tashigi, they even said to their subordinates that vergo is dead, and not even a word except that..
ummn wait a sec, maybe the same case would happen with dragon also, if he is a marine then their must be a marine soldier who was like his partner or something, who might know what happened to him........................ this all saying if he is a marine officer...... but still i stick to my theory he maybe a pirate as well.......



sorry i mean to say Luffy didnot tolerate that Celestial Dragons.
D's never tolerate Celestial Dragons. that's why celestial dragons hates them. it was already mentioned in Dressrosa arc. That is why corazon took law away from Doffy(as doffy would kill Law just because he was a D). Besides Law & Corazan relationship didnot started well at the beginning(maybe because Law was a D and corazon was a former Celestial dragon).
and it was not Kizaru. it was somebody else who came to get koala back.I think Jimbei killed him.
The point is not that.Garp wanted his grandson to become Marine. He definately wanted his son to also join Marine. So Yes I think Dragon was once a Marine but at some point his ideas and visions changed.

its not that D's donot tolerate, rather than D's always knowingly or unknowingly make trouble for the celestial dragons or rather lets say the way the world has been running to which it implies that the world runed by a celestial dragons are always hindered or became obstacles by the one with D's, this happened a lot of time for example luffy defeating a schibukai i.e. sir crocodile, nobody previously dared to oppose a schibukai because they were lets say a government dog as many other pirate said, but luffy defeated them, then again luffy infiltrated the marine base unknowingly after that skyland arc, tough nothing happened or nothing got lost, its just that i believe D's either knowingly or unknowingly comes in contact with the marines or world government system..........
and about garp yeah he might have tried hard about making his son a marine too... but whats to say he may or may not have been succeed..

 

[DevilKing II]

Sorry mate, just can't buy the idea of Dragon being Shiki's subordinate.
Him being ex-marine makes sense to a point though, knowing Garp, he would've made Dragon into a marine, he also didn't have a reason to become a pirate like ASL so why not throw a bone to poor Garp for once, this probably could be when Dragon and Roger met and all that talk about fate and freedom took place.

One things certain, he did meet Roger, why? because in Louguetown when Luffy declared he'll be PK, Dragon said Luffy being a Pirate was fine by him and had a flashback with Rogers quotes only, could be the words Roger told him then.

Anyway, him being Shiki's henchman is just not buyable.

Just look at that damn family, Garp and Luffy are not the type to act as ordered damn they can't even act accordingly as planned and Dragon following that Shiki? Of course not he's the badass father of the protagonist and pick up any manga for reference no such character is controllable they are just pure beasts following none but themselves.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Bartholomew the dragon...bruh that man will be luffy's butler even if he became magically in some distorted world a yonko XD

 

[DevilKing II]

Bartholomew the dragon...bruh that man will be luffy's butler even if he became magically in some distorted world a yonko XD

That's only if Luffy refuses to him becoming Luffy's personal nail shiner. LooL

 

[Skull Knight]

its not that D's donot tolerate, rather than D's always knowingly or unknowingly make trouble for the celestial dragons or rather lets say the way the world has been running to which it implies that the world runed by a celestial dragons are always hindered or became obstacles by the one with D's, this happened a lot of time for example luffy defeating a schibukai i.e. sir crocodile, nobody previously dared to oppose a schibukai because they were lets say a government dog as many other pirate said, but luffy defeated them, then again luffy infiltrated the marine base unknowingly after that skyland arc, tough nothing happened or nothing got lost, its just that i believe D's either knowingly or unknowingly comes in contact with the marines or world government system..........
and about garp yeah he might have tried hard about making his son a marine too... but whats to say he may or may not have been succeed..

I forgot to mention Noland's name. he is another dead guy who is mentioned numerous time in this series.
Actually kinemon asked Zoro how he got that sword?
I m sure once Luffy reach Wano kingdom we will see more people talking about that Samurai.
Secondly I think Smoker once used to be Dragon's subordinate in Marine that's why he could not do anything when Dragon was first shown in Loguetown (Maybe he still respect him).
and its not that D's causes problems for world nobles. i think both of these group hate each other(i.e why Corazon warned Law never tell Doffy his middle name as he would kill him).
believe it or not but Dragon being a former marine is a better theory then Dragon being a Pirate.

 

[pnbhatta]

Sorry mate, just can't buy the idea of Dragon being Shiki's subordinate.
Him being ex-marine makes sense to a point though, knowing Garp, he would've made Dragon into a marine, he also didn't have a reason to become a pirate like ASL so why not throw a bone to poor Garp for once, this probably could be when Dragon and Roger met and all that talk about fate and freedom took place.

One things certain, he did meet Roger, why? because in Louguetown when Luffy declared he'll be PK, Dragon said Luffy being a Pirate was fine by him and had a flashback with Rogers quotes only, could be the words Roger told him then.

Anyway, him being Shiki's henchman is just not buyable.

Just look at that damn family, Garp and Luffy are not the type to act as ordered damn they can't even act accordingly as planned and Dragon following that Shiki? Of course not he's the badass father of the protagonist and pick up any manga for reference no such character is controllable they are just pure beasts following none but themselves.

I am sorry i also actually dont want dragon to be shikhi subordinate, actually more of a like one the grand fleet that shiki had when he went to pirate king to ask him to join. I involved dragon with shikhi just only because i wanted a connection between dragon and the pirate king, thats all. and yeah i can see dragon not being ordered by shiki and that is why he left the grand fleet and started his on organisation, that is we all know as the revolutionary army..

 

[pnbhatta]

Bartholomew the dragon...bruh that man will be luffy's butler even if he became magically in some distorted world a yonko XD

It was just a reference bruh... i dont want to compare the almighty or whatever dragon with the fanboy bartolomeo.

 

[pnbhatta]

I forgot to mention Noland's name. he is another dead guy who is mentioned numerous time in this series.
Actually kinemon asked Zoro how he got that sword?
I m sure once Luffy reach Wano kingdom we will see more people talking about that Samurai.
Secondly I think Smoker once used to be Dragon's subordinate in Marine that's why he could not do anything when Dragon was first shown in Loguetown (Maybe he still respect him).
and its not that D's causes problems for world nobles. i think both of these group hate each other(i.e why Corazon warned Law never tell Doffy his middle name as he would kill him).
believe it or not but Dragon being a former marine is a better theory then Dragon being a Pirate.

I think Nolands name was only and only mentioned in the skyland arc, if i remember correctly.
Hey common now, kinemon is a samurai from wano country right, i will be surprised if kinemon said to zoro ''oh that katana was one of the famous blade in our country, it was stolen some time ago, so you have it now and good for you, keep it safe ok'' sounds stupid right. and he didnt ask zoro about the sword he wanted the sword to take back to its country.
yeah i am super hyped about the wano arc when we get to see the samurai, ryuma, his name was ryuma, right, i forgot his name, in his flashback about slaying dragon. but that is it, after that arc its over, we will never hear about ryuma again, period..
but look at pirate king approximately every episode his name or his title is being taken, thats something big dont you think..
yeah it is D's who cause problems to the world government.... knowingly or unknowingly and that is why the celestial dragon hate them so much that they even want to kill or eliminate the D's from the world, and thats why it was a secret name as stated by law, when he said his name to baby5 and buffalo when they where kid.
and the whole thing about dragon being a marine is also a plausible theory, but its just that i tried to think a little differently and see the result outcomes........... well we will have to wait for the next chapter or some more to know his history then........

 

[Skull Knight]

I think Nolands name was only and only mentioned in the skyland arc, if i remember correctly.
Hey common now, kinemon is a samurai from wano country right, i will be surprised if kinemon said to zoro ''oh that katana was one of the famous blade in our country, it was stolen some time ago, so you have it now and good for you, keep it safe ok'' sounds stupid right. and he didnt ask zoro about the sword he wanted the sword to take back to its country.
yeah i am super hyped about the wano arc when we get to see the samurai, ryuma, his name was ryuma, right, i forgot his name, in his flashback about slaying dragon. but that is it, after that arc its over, we will never hear about ryuma again, period..
but look at pirate king approximately every episode his name or his title is being taken, thats something big dont you think..
yeah it is D's who cause problems to the world government.... knowingly or unknowingly and that is why the celestial dragon hate them so much that they even want to kill or eliminate the D's from the world, and thats why it was a secret name as stated by law, when he said his name to baby5 and buffalo when they where kid.
and the whole thing about dragon being a marine is also a plausible theory, but its just that i tried to think a little differently and see the result outcomes........... well we will have to wait for the next chapter or some more to know his history then........

Noland name was mentioned many times in OP. He was mentioned in dressrosa too.
i donot think celestial dragon gives a damn about what is going on all around the world. there are so many other pirates(like kid) who is destroying New world but celestial dragons donot hate them or think less to kill him.
I think celestial dragons and Ds have long history which is not good. that is why they are taught if they donot behave properly then D's will eat them. and we have to wait for like 3 or more arcs after which we will learn Dragons past.