[Discussion] Let's not forget Black Wall Street

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The best description of Black Wall Street, or Little Africa as it was also known, would be to compare it to a mini Beverly Hills. It was the golden door of the Black community during the early 1900s, and it proved that African Americans could create a successful infrastructure. That’s what Black Wall Street was all about.The dollar circulated 36 to 100 times, sometimes taking a year for currency to leave the community. Now a dollar leaves the Black community in 15 minutes. As for resources, there were Ph.D.s residing in Little Africa, Black attorneys and doctors. One doctor was Dr. Berry, who owned the bus system. His average income was $500 a day, hefty pocket change in 1910.

What happens when whites get mad at blacks finally being free and doing well for themselves?

The community flourished from the early 1900s until June 1, 1921. That’s when the largest massacre of nonmilitary Americans in the history of this country took place, and it was led by the Ku Klux Klan. Imagine walking out of your front door and seeing 1,500 homes being burned. It must have been amazing.
Survivors we interviewed think that the whole thing was planned, because during the time that all of this was going on, White families with their children stood around the borders of their community and watched the massacre – the looting and everything – much in the same manner they would watch a lynching. The riots weren’t caused by anything Black or White. They were caused by jealousy.

The. Largest. Massacre. Of. Nonmilitary. Americans.

We seriously going to forget this terrorist attack? I'm pretty sure this shit isn't in any high school text books. I'm pretty sure they don't even teach this in school. This is sad as hell and people barely even remember it.

The night’s carnage left some 3,000 African Americans dead and over 600 successful businesses lost. Among these were 21 churches, 21 restaurants, 30 grocery stores and two movie theaters, plus a hospital, a bank, a post office, libraries, schools, law offices, a half dozen private airplanes and even a bus system. As could have been expected, the impetus behind it all was the infamous Ku Klux Klan, working in consort with ranking city officials and many other sympathizers.

 

[Joon]

They don't teach us the truth, we have to find it. It is about to fade away nowadays anyway.

 

[ethris]

..referring to people as whites and blacks, acting like there all members of the KKK or the black panthers..smh..
ignorantly taking part in the same stereotyping that were supposed to be combating.

You know what I call it when your trying to solve a problem by committing that same problem? counter productive. If you wanna help as much of the rest of us do, than stop spreading the same circle of hate, you can do this by being better than the people who stereotype and judge others. We can be better than those people by setting our own GOOD example, not following the already existing bad one.

Who cares if it sound corny as hell, go around spreading love for everyone.
remember the loving moments of the past while changing the future with good words and actions., dont just go digging up the bad past while refusing to make a deliberate effort to better future threw your own actions. If our words and actions just keep reflecting that same non-tasteful past, than nothing will change.

Corny or not, relating with each others pain and loving eachother is the way to go forward
digging and persecuting while repeating the same mistakes is the way to stay in the past.

Words I like to follow: Stay in the now, don't let the fear of your past, or your fears of the future dictate a decision your making right now.

 

[Joon]

..referring to people as whites and blacks, acting like there all members of the KKK or the black panthers..smh..
ignorantly taking part in the same stereotyping that were supposed to be combating.

You know what I call it when you're trying to solve a problem by committing that same problem? counter productive. If you wanna help as much of the rest of us do, then stop spreading the same circle of hate, you can do this by being better than the people who stereotype and judge others. We can be better than those people by setting our own GOOD example, not following the already existing bad one.

Who cares if it sound corny as hell, go around spreading the love for everyone.
remember the loving moments of the past while changing the future with good words and actions., don't just go digging up the bad past while refusing to make a deliberate effort to better a future through your own actions. If our words and actions just keep reflecting that same non-tasteful past, then nothing will change.

Corny or not, relating with each others pain and loving each other is the way to go forward
digging and persecuting while repeating the same mistakes is the way to stay in the past.

Words I like to follow: Stay in the now, don't let the fear of your past or your fears of the future dictate a decision your making right now.

We need to learn from the Past..... :| How can we learn when everything is censored and falsified?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

..referring to people as whites and blacks, acting like there all members of the KKK or the black panthers..smh..
ignorantly taking part in the same stereotyping that were supposed to be combating.

You know what I call it when your trying to solve a problem by committing that same problem? counter productive. If you wanna help as much of the rest of us do, than stop spreading the same circle of hate, you can do this by being better than the people who stereotype and judge others. We can be better than those people by setting our own GOOD example, not following the already existing bad one.

Who cares if it sound corny as hell, go around spreading love for everyone.
remember the loving moments of the past while changing the future with good words and actions., dont just go digging up the bad past while refusing to make a deliberate effort to better future threw your own actions. If our words and actions just keep reflecting that same non-tasteful past, than nothing will change.

Corny or not, relating with each others pain and loving eachother is the way to go forward
digging and persecuting while repeating the same mistakes is the way to stay in the past.

Words I like to follow: Stay in the now, don't let the fear of your past, or your fears of the future dictate a decision your making right now.

I understand what you mean by saying that this is counter productive but then again, this is the first time I've heard of it. I think because many people don't know about this, it's good to be informed about it.

 

[ethris]

We need to learn from the Past..... :| How can we learn when everything is censored and falsified?

I understand what you mean by saying that this is counter productive but then again, this is the first time I've heard of it. I think because many people don't know about this, it's good to be informed about it.

thats not what i meant, and i get what your mean, i dont blame you for your stance, its understandable, but we wont get anywhere repeating the same mistakes, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results, some can argue humanity has been insane for quite some time. Transparency of the past is definitely important, the issue is what we do with that past, i agree that no matter what we cant justify hiding truth, but it doesn't change the fact that society as a whole needs to grow a bit, and the only way i can see that is threw relating with each others pain, i dont like being hurt so i wont hurt them kinda idea, of course its not that simple but if as a society we were united and morally mature. than wed probably get valuable lessons from our past instead of only thinking about how we want venegence, or how we can use the past truth to our own selfish benefits( not all jews, but some to this day collect money in the name of there persecution, maybe they deserve it, idk, all i know is..if you only care about your Jewish heritage so you can collect money, than your not learning form your past.

keep in mind this is all just my opinion no intent to offend anyone.

i guess to summarize, there's a way to go about discussing the past, and talking about the past with anger alone, wont get us anywhere. we need to learn and relate is what im saying,

maybe i jumped the gun, i just dislike seeing everyone in this world, including my self, be so contradicting. if we truly wanted to love each other, we would. but its clear we still have attachments to value of objects and what not, which makes it hard for people to sincerely discuss these matters and it ends up with more hate at the end than the beginning. Alot in the world is understandable, but it doesn't mean its right.

 

[slimreaper]

You aren't telling the full story though.

It was re built and stayed successful until the 1960's.

Liberals killed it with de-segregation.

You see, blacks couldn't shop in the white owned stores so they spent money with their own. When oklahoma de segregated, the blacks were free to ho spend their money in white businesses. Whites didn't do the same so they failed.


Another liberal race relations success story!

Edit: they didn't kill 3000 they killed 55-300 according to estimates

 

[chopstickchakra]

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What happens when whites get mad at blacks finally being free and doing well for themselves?



The. Largest. Massacre. Of. Nonmilitary. Americans.

We seriously going to forget this terrorist attack? I'm pretty sure this shit isn't in any high school text books. I'm pretty sure they don't even teach this in school. This is sad as hell and people barely even remember it.

I'm pretty sure most German schools don't teach about the intricate atrocities they committed either instead they probably give a broad generalization that paints them as least negatively as possible all countries do it, it's called propaganda. That's why we the people need to continue to share all the information we have with as many people as will listen.

 

[chopstickchakra]

You aren't telling the full story though.

It was re built and stayed successful until the 1960's.

Liberals killed it with de-segregation.

You see, blacks couldn't shop in the white owned stores so they spent money with their own. When oklahoma de segregated, the blacks were free to ho spend their money in white businesses. Whites didn't do the same so they failed.


Another liberal race relations success story!

Edit: they didn't kill 3000 they killed 55-300 according to estimates

You know he's gonna say those estimates are just lies right?

 

[ultraChalk]

That color is a plague in itself.

 

[Troyg39]

..referring to people as whites and blacks, acting like there all members of the KKK or the black panthers..smh..
ignorantly taking part in the same stereotyping that were supposed to be combating.

You know what I call it when your trying to solve a problem by committing that same problem? counter productive. If you wanna help as much of the rest of us do, than stop spreading the same circle of hate, you can do this by being better than the people who stereotype and judge others. We can be better than those people by setting our own GOOD example, not following the already existing bad one.

Who cares if it sound corny as hell, go around spreading love for everyone.
remember the loving moments of the past while changing the future with good words and actions., dont just go digging up the bad past while refusing to make a deliberate effort to better future threw your own actions. If our words and actions just keep reflecting that same non-tasteful past, than nothing will change.

Corny or not, relating with each others pain and loving eachother is the way to go forward
digging and persecuting while repeating the same mistakes is the way to stay in the past.

Words I like to follow: Stay in the now, don't let the fear of your past, or your fears of the future dictate a decision your making right now.

I get what you mean but I'm sure you know what he meant as well. Ignoring his context and taking his words as literally being about every black or white person simply because he left out the word "some" is counterproductive as well and takes away from the bigger picture.

OT: No they don't teach about the Tulsa Race Riot in school, or even the bigger "White Race Riots" that spanned for over a century. You should also look up the Red Summer of 1919. That year alone claimed tens of thousands of black lives resulting from white riots. As far as it being taught in school, it's really not that uncommon unfortunately. In just about every country, history is unfortunately tailored to either mask the county's darker sides of history or to completely re-write them altogether

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

You aren't telling the full story though.

It was re built and stayed successful until the 1960's.

Liberals killed it with de-segregation.

You see, blacks couldn't shop in the white owned stores so they spent money with their own. When oklahoma de segregated, the blacks were free to ho spend their money in white businesses. Whites didn't do the same so they failed.


Another liberal race relations success story!

Edit: they didn't kill 3000 they killed 55-300 according to estimates

That's the dumbest thing I read all day.

Okay, sure it meant bad business, but how do you expect them to want to be oppressed for the rest of their lives? How do you expect us to all remain bigoted just for a reason like that?

 

[Sir Francis Drake]

You aren't telling the full story though.

It was re built and stayed successful until the 1960's.

Liberals killed it with de-segregation.

You see, blacks couldn't shop in the white owned stores so they spent money with their own. When oklahoma de segregated, the blacks were free to ho spend their money in white businesses. Whites didn't do the same so they failed.


Another liberal race relations success story!

Edit: they didn't kill 3000 they killed 55-300 according to estimates

Regardless of the stores failing after the rebuild, the point still stands that the stores were burnt down because they were run by blacks and people were killed for being black.

 

[Troyg39]

That's the dumbest thing I read all day.

Okay, sure it meant bad business, but how do you expect them to want to be oppressed for the rest of their lives? How do you expect us to all remain bigoted just for a reason like that?

He also didn't mention Black Wall Street being placed in the Federal Model Cities program in 1967, which was basically "saving" neighborhoods by destroying them. It's how I-244 and US 75 were built, by taking out Black Wall Street. They called it the "Urban Removal Program". It left many of them displaced, and they were forced to move, most went north I believe. Some places still do things like this today. I know in the city where I live, we've been bulldozing smaller communities to make way for new infrastructure for some time now, though aid and relief is a lot better than it used to be.

But you can look up some of the testimonies from people who lived through the 1921 riot. There were even some who lived through the rebirth and demolishing of Black Wall Street again. Even after the massacre, Black Wall Street never really stood a chance as there was always local and government forces attempting to keep them down. Segregation did play a role in the downfall too though, but they were being pushed out of Tulsa for some time before and after that

 

[sasukesworld]

I'm pretty sure most German schools don't teach about the intricate atrocities they committed either instead they probably give a broad generalization that paints them as least negatively as possible all countries do it, it's called propaganda. That's why we the people need to continue to share all the information we have with as many people as will listen.

Nope,they teach us like every year the same sh!t. -> Holohaux.

OT: What slimreaper said.

 

[Sir Francis Drake]

Nope,they teach us like every year the same sh!t. -> Holohaux.

OT: What slimreaper said.

You've ascended to Super Troll. Congrats

 

[Multiply]

You aren't telling the full story though.

It was re built and stayed successful until the 1960's.

Liberals killed it with de-segregation.

You see, blacks couldn't shop in the white owned stores so they spent money with their own. When oklahoma de segregated, the blacks were free to ho spend their money in white businesses. Whites didn't do the same so they failed.


Another liberal race relations success story!

Edit: they didn't kill 3000 they killed 55-300 according to estimates

I'm not talking about after they rebuilt it and when desegregation 'killed' it. I'm talking about when hundreds of businesses were burned down over jealousy. This isn't a liberal vs conservative thread so none of that even has a place here. It's estimated that 3000+ people were murdered as a result of the riots. Where did you get your estimates from?

You know he's gonna say those estimates are just lies right?

Nope, gonna ask where the estimates are from.

 

[Zavage10]

Saw a documentary about this on pbs earlier this month. In reality thousands were were in tusla. The 300s number was a lie to take away from the brutality of the event. There are many racial cleansings in the us that you will not learn about in school.

 

[Jack Spicer]

It happened in the early 1900's. Too long ago for me.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'm not talking about after they rebuilt it and when desegregation 'killed' it. I'm talking about when hundreds of businesses were burned down over jealousy. This isn't a liberal vs conservative thread so none of that even has a place here. It's estimated that 3000+ people were murdered as a result of the riots. Where did you get your estimates from?



Nope, gonna ask where the estimates are from.

Quite a few sources actually, I got interested in the discrepancies when Reaper posted his. After viewing several sources modern historians have seemingly agreed on the number being between 300-600. Now I'm open to take into account the bodies that burned up and the ones that were most likely discarded in the secret of the night so double the highest estimate and it's likely no more than 1,200(which is still an disgustingly high number) people were killed that day. There's even a study by the NAACP that estimates on the lower side

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There's also a pretty thurough report here starting at page 130 that covers the casualties and the mass graves and railroading bodies out etc. ideas.

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Though I haven't had the time yet to vet the author.

I do see the numbers 3,000-4,000 pop up from time to time but that's in reference to people being detained not killed.