SM Jiraiya vs Sasori

[RedRobin]

3 Boss summons can win this without Jiraiya

They easily get wrecked by Iron sand constructs. Sasori the worst character when it comes to boss summons because they get easily poisoned due to them being such giant targets.

 

[Curse Mark]

They easily get wrecked by Iron sand constructs. Sasori the worst character when it comes to boss summons because they get easily poisoned due to them being such giant targets.

True words

 

[shelke]

So, no intel and Jiraiya still wins? The wankery for this guy is at an all time high. Sasori pulls out Iron sand's World Model and he's done.

 

[super yang]

Sasori beats Jiraiya, Kakashi and Tobirama all at the same time

No, but individually he beats all of them

7/10 vs Tobirama

10/10 vs 1ms kakashi

5/10 vs jiraiya

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

You Sasori fans are a peculiar bunch. His feats don't nearly correspond to the hype given to him, and as a result, some pretty lame excuses have to be fabricated to get others to ignore the whole context, which is that he was pushed to high difficulty by a chunin level ninja and an old lady. An old lady that, while strong, just isn't up to par with the ninjas Sasori is frequently grouped up with. But then again, fanfiction isn't new around these parts as shown by some of the posts above this one.

 

[RedRobin]

You Sasori fans are a peculiar bunch. His feats don't nearly correspond to the hype given to him, and as a result, some pretty lame excuses have to be fabricated to get others to ignore the whole context, which is that he was pushed to high difficulty by a chunin level ninja and an old lady. An old lady that, while strong, just isn't up to par with the ninjas Sasori is frequently grouped up with. But then again, fanfiction isn't new around these parts as shown by some of the posts above this one.

Not at all excuses. They are very logical points.

How would the fight had gone if Sakura had no antidotes? If Sasori went straight to using iron sand world method?

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

And what if Chiyo pulled out the Chikamatsu puppets from the get go? What if scenarios are tantamount to lame excuses and speculatory notions.

 

[RedRobin]

And what if Chiyo pulled out the Chikamatsu puppets from the get go? What if scenarios are tantamount to lame excuses and speculatory notions.

Iron sand wrecks them. What are you even talking about?

 

[EKSITE]

Not at all excuses. They are very logical points.

How would the fight had gone if Sakura had no antidotes? If Sasori went straight to using iron sand world method?

The fight would have ended here they wouldn't have made it to Sasori himself or 100 puppets, Chiyo would have been stuck under that rock and Sakura poisoned low diff .

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[Ghost in the Shell]

Right, and you didn't clue me in to the fact that you had Sasori starting out with the Third Kazekage in the hypothetical scenario. There's really nothing to discuss if we keep throwing what ifs and hypotheticals around. Logic in the NV, and its forums by extension, is dictated by what transpires within the manga, not by the beliefs, biases, and excuses of the fans. Meaning we can only logically discuss that whole exchange between Sasori, Chiyo, and Sakura when we remove the what ifs and the if onlys, etc.

 

[Curse Mark]

Right, and you didn't clue me in to the fact that you had Sasori starting out with the Third Kazekage in the hypothetical scenario.

How did you assume he was gonna use IS then?

 

[RedRobin]

Right, and you didn't clue me in to the fact that you had Sasori starting out with the Third Kazekage in the hypothetical scenario. There's really nothing to discuss if we keep throwing what ifs and hypotheticals around. Logic in the NV, and its forums by extension, is dictated by what transpires within the manga, not by the beliefs, biases, and excuses of the fans. Meaning we can only logically discuss that whole exchange between Sasori, Chiyo, and Sakura when we remove the what ifs and the if onlys, etc.

Thinking like that is how a regular average Naruto level reader sees the situation. Someone who is into the versus should see the scenario as Sasori really being in a horrible match up where:

• He went up against another puppet master, yes Chiyo was old but this was not a battle between regular ninja, puppets were used, puppets only need the user's fingers to be moving to fight. Then when it came to moving, a healthy girl was used and controlled by the puppet master who was able to dodge movements by another puppet master.
• Chiyo had intel on Sasori as well as the 3rd.
• Sakura had prep time to make antidotes.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Two of those bullet points of yours are offset by the fact that Sasori is a puppet master above Chiyo's level as documented in the manga and the databook, and that Sasori was also equally informed of Chiyo's abilities. The mother and father puppets were Sasori's creations, in case if you weren't aware. Sasori already knew about the Chikamatsu puppets and Chiyo's achievements with them. Nothing Chiyo and Sakura had on their side was of any consequence to someone, who by all accounts, is a genius level ninja and the top puppeteer within the history of the manga besides the antidotes, which I'm sure Sasori would have been capable of working around would he have had the intel (see what I did there?). But as expected, fanboys always have the need to stroke their biases through exaggeration.

Oh, the irony. You should really take a look at your own posts before tossing out the insults, Paws. The only one who's currently (and has consistently shown, I might add) the reading level of a child is you, because you're still failing to understand the point of my posts even though I've typed them very clearly and concisely. Though you've already explicitly admitted that you don't really pay attention to what happens in the manga in any kind of detail with that assertion.

 

[Xlad]

Two of those bullet points of yours are offset by the fact that Sasori is a puppet master above Chiyo's level as documented in the manga and the databook, and that Sasori was also equally informed of Chiyo's abilities. The mother and father puppets were Sasori's creations, in case if you weren't aware. Sasori already knew about the Chikamatsu puppets and Chiyo's achievements with them. Nothing Chiyo and Sakura had on their side was of any consequence to someone, who by all accounts, is a genius level ninja and the top puppeteer within the history of the manga besides the antidotes, which I'm sure Sasori would have been capable of working around would he have had the intel (see what I did there?). But as expected, fanboys always have the need to stroke their biases through exaggeration.

Oh, the irony. You should really take a look at your own posts before tossing out the insults, Paws. The only one who's currently (and has consistently shown, I might add) the reading level of a child is you, because you're still failing to understand the point of my posts even though I've typed them very clearly and concisely. Though you've already explicitly admitted that you don't really pay attention to what happens in the manga in any kind of detail with that assertion.

I actually thought you were Icelerate for a moment. I was about to tell you how much more...feisty you've become.

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[RedRobin]

Two of those bullet points of yours are offset by the fact that Sasori is a puppet master above Chiyo's level as documented in the manga and the databook, and that Sasori was also equally informed of Chiyo's abilities. The mother and father puppets were Sasori's creations, in case if you weren't aware. Sasori already knew about the Chikamatsu puppets and Chiyo's achievements with them. Nothing Chiyo and Sakura had on their side was of any consequence to someone, who by all accounts, is a genius level ninja and the top puppeteer within the history of the manga besides the antidotes, which I'm sure Sasori would have been capable of working around would he have had the intel (see what I did there?). But as expected, fanboys always have the need to stroke their biases through exaggeration.

Oh, the irony. You should really take a look at your own posts before tossing out the insults, Paws. The only one who's currently (and has consistently shown, I might add) the reading level of a child is you, because you're still failing to understand the point of my posts even though I've typed them very clearly and concisely. Though you've already explicitly admitted that you don't really pay attention to what happens in the manga in any kind of detail with that assertion.

Except Chiyo clearly matched him in a puppet battle (Father/Mother VS 3rd).

My main premise is you are wrong in jugding this that battle as a standard ninja battle when it was really a puppet master battle. And again no intel, as Chiyo had way more useful intel and no antidotes, that battle wouldnt have lasted long at all.

Also I didnt insult you I simply thought you were looking at situation as an average naruto reader, oh Sakura sucks, she beat Sasori, Sasori is weak. Also didnt mention anything about reading at a child like level but thanks, at least I know how you really feel.

 

[Zexion~]

You Sasori fans are a peculiar bunch. His feats don't nearly correspond to the hype given to him, and as a result, some pretty lame excuses have to be fabricated to get others to ignore the whole context, which is that he was pushed to high difficulty by a chunin level ninja and an old lady. An old lady that, while strong, just isn't up to par with the ninjas Sasori is frequently grouped up with. But then again, fanfiction isn't new around these parts as shown by some of the posts above this one.

Tbh Jiraiya's feats aren't all that either, and was getting schooled by three not very strong offensive paths before the massive advantage he was granted by way of the battle field helped him snag a decent victory. Then proceeded to get gang raped.


Jiraiya's hyped surpasses his feats WAY more than Sasori's hype does, as well as Sasori having the more variable and creative techniques while Jiraiya's are pretty straight forward and bland. What you call excuses most people would call inovative thinking (assuming you're talking about how some people portray his techniques) not all of it is correct, but in a debating forum with thousands upon thousands of posts, it would get real old real quick if people didn't use their own thinking when talking about a character and just directly used manga panels. Why you think its a sin to do it for the Akatsuki but then find the massive wall of exploits your friend makes in a single thread (Ice) "Okay" is beyond me.

 

[Beans2]

Tbh Jiraiya's feats aren't all that either, and was getting schooled by three not very strong offensive paths before the massive advantage he was granted by way of the battle field helped him snag a decent victory. Then proceeded to get gang raped.


Jiraiya's hyped surpasses his feats WAY more than Sasori's hype does, as well as Sasori having the more variable and creative techniques while Jiraiya's are pretty straight forward and bland. What you call excuses most people would call inovative thinking (assuming you're talking about how some people portray his techniques) not all of it is correct, but in a debating forum with thousands upon thousands of posts, it would get real old real quick if people didn't use their own thinking when talking about a character and just directly used manga panels. Why you think its a sin to do it for the Akatsuki but then find the massive wall of exploits your friend makes in a single thread (Ice) "Okay" is beyond me.

I want to like and dislike this post at the same time. Disagree with the first paragraph. Agreed with the second

 

[Zexion~]

I want to like and dislike this post at the same time. Disagree with the first paragraph. Agreed with the second

:lol I simply wasn't impressed with Jiraiya, and tbh I wasn't impressed with Sasori either both are hyped but in different ways.

 

[Imperious]

Nice thread, Kudos to whoever made it Oh, wait...​

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Maybe you should read some of the posts I've typed about Kisame, Deidara, and Konan in the past if you think I'm against people exploiting the Akatsuki, Zex. I have zero problem with exploits about anyone, I just take issue with nonsense that doesn't fall in line with the manga. Understand?

Lmao. Eat a snickers and take your rant to someone who might care. You're taking this stuff a bit too seriously. I don't see why you needed to include that last tidbit about Ice, but then again you have a pathetic propensity to make at least part of your arguments semi personal and about "friends" these days. I would have more to say, but I'm going to choose to ignore the rest, look the other way, and caution you to calm down and tread carefully. We're on good terms generally speaking but I'm not above putting someone back in their place.

@Paws

I hope you're not arguing that Chiyo is just as skilled as Sasori in puppetry. The guy who is capable of controlling a hundred at a time?The guy who can harness the Magnet Release and control Iron Sand via puppetry? Chiyo matched him in a weapon duel for sure, but being able to control an advanced chakra nature, a bloodline limit, through puppetry puts him at least a cut above not even taking hype into consideration.

The whole "master puppet battle" thing is just another lame excuse. If that was your premise, then this discussion was just another gigantic waste of time. I have no preconceptions of looking at battles as "standard ninja battles" (and never have) considering every shinobi has different abilities, fighting styles, and tendencies. Every battle has a distinct context. Also note how I never once called Sasori weak. My point is that he isn't the mid-high to high kage level ninja that his fans love to pass him off as. I apologize if I hurt the fanboy ego, though.