Storm 4 Itachi vs BM Minato

[KidGamer65]

Two eyes together gives you more power, sure. But that doesn't mean you get a chakra upgrade
If Obito is gaining chakra power( which is adding to your own chakra power ) from putting madaras eyes in it shouldn't be hurting him. If you see what I mean.

There is no if.

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He gained it. Thus it's added to his own. Period. What you are saying is like me claiming that I can pour water into a half full cup, but not actually add to it. :lol

And the eye does bad because the power is too strong.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Two eyes together gives you more power, sure. But that doesn't mean you get a chakra upgrade
If Obito is gaining chakra power( which is adding to your own chakra power ) from putting madaras eyes in it shouldn't be hurting him. If you see what I mean.

First your own chakra has to be strong enough to control the other chakra. Danzo was able to control Hashirama's DNA, gaining a chakra boost. If Danzo was unable to control the DNA properly, his own chakra and Hashirama's chakra would fight over dominance. This is backed by Danzo losing his control over Hashirama DNA after Sasuke almost killed him. And in that scan Onito said he was losing himself. Means that his own chakra was fighting Madara's rinnegan chakra over dominance.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

First your own chakra has to be strong enough to control the other chakra. Danzo was able to control Hashirama's DNA, gaining a chakra boost. If Danzo was unable to control the DNA properly, his own chakra and Hashirama's chakra would fight over dominance. This is backed by Danzo losing his control over Hashirama DNA after Sasuke almost killed him. And in that scan Onito said he was losing himself. Means that his own chakra was fighting Madara's rinnegan chakra over dominance.

This makes sense, ah old frien kratos wazzup :bdpf:

There is no if.

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He gained it. Thus it's added to his own. Period. What you are saying is like me claiming that I can pour water into a half full cup, but not actually add to it. :lol

And the eye does bad because the power is too strong.

Ah so since madara > obito he can't control his chakra power but nagato >= madara he can control it

 

[KidGamer65]

This makes sense


Ah so since madara > obito he can't control his chakra power but nagato >= madara he can control it

No. Being able to control someone's chakra doesn't make you as powerful as them. Dafuq? Do me a favor and:

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[Lord Tywin]

Zealot, lmao you got one thing right

 

[Zealous Sparks]

No. Being able to control someone's chakra doesn't make you as powerful as them. Dafuq? Do me a favor and:

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Wasn't talking about power m8 i was trying to show you the chakra power/potency gap between obito and nagato by this logic must be huge considering nagato can control the eyes with eaze.

*however the sufficient requirements/level to use these eyes are never stated. we just know nagato can and obito couldn't. right?

Zealot, lmao you got one thing right

rofl long time lml u debate now x D

 

[Lord Tywin]

Wasn't talking about power m8 i was trying to show you the chakra power/potency gap between obito and nagato by this logic must be huge considering nagato can control the eyes with eaze.

*however the sufficient requirements/level to use these eyes are never stated. we just know nagato can and obito couldn't. right?



rofl long time lml u debate now x D

Lel better than staying in the NDS.

 

[Sithis]

Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan (永遠の万華鏡写輪眼, Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan).[6] The Eternal Mangekyō merge the designs of the transplanter and the transplantee's original Mangekyō. Their Mangekyō-based abilities are made stronger and they no longer suffer any negative side-effects from the usage. According to Madara, the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan is proof an Uchiha continues to seek something despite experiencing great losses.[7] Should the eyes evolve to this state, the user will retain all their previous techniques from their original eyes. In addition to the unique techniques, the "straight tomoe" (直巴, Choku Tomoe) form of Madara's and Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan grants them fluidity in their movements when fighting.

Nowhere in here does it talk about increased chakra potency. I would think that would be the most important point.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Nowhere in here does it talk about increased chakra potency. I would think that would be the most important point.

Exactly you would think

Lel better than staying in the NDS.

You right NDS used to be fun tho :bdpf:

 

[KidGamer65]

Nowhere in here does it talk about increased chakra potency. I would think that would be the most important point.

Hmmm, using Naruto wiki as counter evidence when a Manga panel has already been provided.

Welp. Nothing more to expect here folks.

 

[Sithis]

Hmmm, using Naruto wiki as counter evidence when a Manga panel has already been provided.

Welp. Nothing more to expect here folks.

Not in the wiki / databook cause it was never proven as fact. :bdpf:
If this was true i would think that would be the first thing I'd see under ems

 

[KidGamer65]

Not in the wiki / databook cause it was never proven as fact. :bdpf:
If this was true i would think that would be the first thing I'd see under ems

Now he says "wiki/Databook" like wiki and databook are on the same level. :lol The fact that you are holding wiki above Manga is enough reason for me to stop taking you seriously. Don't expect another reply.

 

[Sithis]

Now he says "wiki/Databook" like wiki and databook are on the same level. :lol The fact that you are holding wiki above Manga is enough reason for me to stop taking you seriously. Don't expect another reply.

The manga statement itself is never flat out stated for EMS which is different for rinne clearly. Which is why its not listed as fact. The whole truth is you don't know what you get chakra wise from ms to ems :bdpf:

 

[Rιver]

I said that he gains Itachi's chakra and power. Never said he gains all of Itachi's chakra amount, and the rest has been countered as it's just a repeat of your idiotic denial of Manga Fact. This debate is finished unless you bring some groundbreaking point or a new point that I haven't already addressed. :lol Fanboys. They kill me.

What the fuck man.

 

[Sithis]

What the fuck man.

Its just a theory he made up to support his argument. Thats when Z should have stopped taking him seriously

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[Rιver]

Its just a theory he made up to support his argument. Thats when Z should have stopped taking him seriously

I stopped taking this guy seriously long time ago, thx God man. But what the hell.

 

[shelke]

I said that he gains Itachi's chakra and power. Never said he gains all of Itachi's chakra amount, and the rest has been countered as it's just a repeat of your idiotic denial of Manga Fact. This debate is finished unless you bring some groundbreaking point or a new point that I haven't already addressed. :lol Fanboys. They kill me.

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[Lord Tywin]

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Its just a theory he made up to support his argument. Thats when Z should have stopped taking him seriously

What the fuck man.

didnt read 99% of arguments on each side, but solely based on that phrase, I think he meant that Sasuke got a portion of Itachi's chakra, thus inheriting a part of itachi's power. He should have elaborated on that first sentence.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

didnt read 99% of arguments on each side, but solely based on that phrase, I think he meant that Sasuke got a portion of Itachi's chakra, thus inheriting a part of itachi's power. He should have elaborated on that first sentence.

All thats been confirmed for EMS is it removes strain and chakra tax for ms abilities. It can be inferred that ems gives a chakra boost. How much and by what means is never stated which makes KG argument EMS Sasuke has both itachi & sasukes chakra a a theory

 

[Lord Tywin]

All thats been confirmed for EMS is it removes strain and chakra tax for ms abilities. It can be inferred that ems gives a chakra boost. How much and by what means is never stated which makes KG argument EMS Sasuke has both itachi & sasukes chakra a a theory

it does have some of Itachi's chakra in them, since they were Itachi's. Obito almost losing himself to rinnegan's chakra is another fact.