Storm 4 Itachi vs BM Minato

[BenjerminGaye]

DB validates scenario 1.

Canon already shows PS > BM

even V4 Yata should tank anything BM has

pretty low dif fight for Itachi

When did canon show ps>bm?

 

[Zealous Sparks]

PS isnt needed tsukuyomi 1 hits

The fanfiction on this thread was amusing tho

 

[Sithis]

When did canon show ps>bm?

Nothing in BM can destroy a PS (nothing proven at least)

PS dwarfs a BM avatar

 

[Unorthodox]

When did canon show ps>bm?

since ps was shown in canon

 

[KidGamer65]

since ps was shown in canon

Nothing in BM can destroy a PS (nothing proven at least)

PS dwarfs a BM avatar

No, Madara's PS. :lol Stop giving Madara's feats to Itachi of all people.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

No, Madara's PS. :lol Stop giving Madara's feats to Itachi of all people.

Its the storm 4 game m8 lmao there all the same size.

 

[KidGamer65]

Its the storm 4 game m8 lmao there all the same size.

Which is irrelevant since same size=/=Same power.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Which is irrelevant since same size=/=Same power.

Plus this is the same series that made PS and Shinsuusenju the same size (in revolution anyway)

 

[Kagustuchi]

Which is irrelevant since same size=/=Same power.

Plus this is the same series that made PS and Shinsuusenju the same size (in revolution anyway)

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Which is irrelevant since same size=/=Same power.

You trying to say there PS's are weaker even tho its the same jutsu

*note OP says PS sized totsuka / yata

 

[KidGamer65]

Plus this is the same series that made PS and Shinsuusenju the same size (in revolution anyway)

Lmfaoo, right. People shouldn't even be taking the scaling for these jutsu seriously.

You trying to say there PS's are weaker even tho its the same jutsu

*note OP says PS sized totsuka / yata

Terrible logic.

Boruto, Konohamaru, Jiraiya and Adult Naruto can all use Rasengan. Does that mean that they are all the same? Yeah, according to your logic. But according to Manga logic, they aren't.

"PS sized Totsuka/Yata=Totsuka" and Yata at a size where Itachi's Susanoo would be able to wield it. Literally nothing to do with Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

DB validates scenario 1.

Canon already shows PS > BM

even V4 Yata should tank anything BM has

pretty low dif fight for Itachi

Nope. Hyperbole and the people who are silly enough to take it literally are the only form of support that conclusion has.

Canon never showed PS>BM. Canon shows that Sasuke's PS can fight on par with Naruto's BM, but considering Itachi's Susanoo won't even be as strong as Sasuke's offensively...

Bold is where I stop taking you seriously.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Lmfaoo, right. People shouldn't even be taking the scaling for these jutsu seriously.



Terrible logic.

Boruto, Konohamaru, Jiraiya and Adult Naruto can all use Rasengan. Does that mean that they are all the same? Yeah, according to your logic. But according to Manga logic, they aren't.

"PS sized Totsuka/Yata=Totsuka" and Yata at a size where Itachi's Susanoo would be able to wield it. Literally nothing to do with Madara.

hmm
Susanoo have the same durability in all forms m8 for that user. I don't see any feats from ribcage to armored susanoo that would make itachi's that inferior to Madara's. Using simple power scaling if theres a power difference in PS that gap wouldn't be that far off to matter very much.
Comparing susanoo to rasengan doesn't make sense in this instance.

The Yata and Tosuka are just added in OP I didn't say it had anything to do with madara.

 

[Unorthodox]

Lmfaoo, right. People shouldn't even be taking the scaling for these jutsu seriously.



Terrible logic.

Boruto, Konohamaru, Jiraiya and Adult Naruto can all use Rasengan. Does that mean that they are all the same? Yeah, according to your logic. But according to Manga logic, they aren't.

"PS sized Totsuka/Yata=Totsuka" and Yata at a size where Itachi's Susanoo would be able to wield it. Literally nothing to do with Madara.

Shit logic rasengan is stronger due the amount of chakra you put in it and irrelevant because size = power when talking about susanoo. Lol did yall try to use ss as an argument? How could it get any bigger terrible example.

 

[KidGamer65]

hmm
Susanoo have the same durability in all forms m8 for that user

...........

Then I guess:

JJ Madara's PS=Kakashi's PS=EMS Sasuke's PS=RG Sasuke's PS=Shisui's fanfic PS=Itachi's fanfic PS=EMS Madara's PS=Kurama Avatar=Rikudo Kurama Avatar.

I don't see any feats from ribcage to armored susanoo that would make itachi's that inferior to Madara's. Using simple power scaling if theres a power difference in PS that gap wouldn't be that far off to matter very much.
Comparing susanoo to rasengan doesn't make sense in this instance.

I understood when people (myself included) tried to use this argument for Sasuke, but Itachi? Come on now.

-Itachi's V4 is the size of Hydra.
-Madara's V4 is the size of Full Kurama.
-Madara's Ribcage blocks Mei and Ay's attacks, and Tsunade's punch.
-Sasuke's Ribcage, which is around Itachi's in power, gets broken through with zero effort.

And no. It makes perfect sense. Jutsu strength is determined by chakra strength. Rasengan is a Jutsu. Madara's chakra>>EMS Sasuke's>>MS Itachi's. Thus their Susanoo strength goes the same way.

The Yata and Tosuka are just added in OP I didn't say it had anything to do with madara.

Then mentioning them was pointless.

Shit logic rasengan is stronger due the amount of chakra you put in it and irrelevant because size = power when talking about susanoo. Lol did yall try to use ss as an argument? How could it get any bigger terrible example.

:lol Stop being daft. Rasengan, like any other Ninjutsu, gets stronger because of chakra strength and size. If all Rasengan are the same size and they hit a target, obviously Adult Naruto's would be superior because Adult Naruto's chakra (Rikudo)>>>>Boruto, Minato and Jiraiya's. It's funny how chakra strength and Chidori is the basis Sasuke fans use to say Adult Sasuke>>>>>>>>everyone in the entire verse yet when it comes to Naruto and Rasengan, suddenly chakra strength has nothing to do with anything.

And please read what DA said before you reply. He said the games made SS and PS the same size, thus scaling shouldn't be taken seriously from them.

Why am I even replying to you? :lol

 

[Unorthodox]

...........

Then I guess:

JJ Madara's PS=Kakashi's PS=EMS Sasuke's PS=RG Sasuke's PS=Shisui's fanfic PS=Itachi's fanfic PS=EMS Madara's PS=Kurama Avatar=Rikudo Kurama Avatar.





I understood when people (myself included) tried to use this argument for Sasuke, but Itachi? Come on now.

-Itachi's V4 is the size of Hydra.
-Madara's V4 is the size of Full Kurama.
-Madara's Ribcage blocks Mei and Ay's attacks, and Tsunade's punch.
-Sasuke's Ribcage, which is around Itachi's in power, gets broken through with zero effort.

And no. It makes perfect sense. Jutsu strength is determined by chakra strength. Rasengan is a Jutsu. Madara's chakra>>EMS Sasuke's>>MS Itachi's. Thus their Susanoo strength goes the same way.




Then mentioning them was pointless.




:lol Stop being daft. Rasengan, like any other Ninjutsu, gets stronger because of chakra strength and size. If all Rasengan are the same size and they hit a target, obviously Adult Naruto's would be superior because Adult Naruto's chakra (Rikudo)>>>>Boruto, Minato and Jiraiya's. It's funny how chakra strength and Chidori is the basis Sasuke fans use to say Adult Sasuke>>>>>>>>everyone in the entire verse yet when it comes to Naruto and Rasengan, suddenly chakra strength has nothing to do with anything.

And please read what DA said before you reply. He said the games made SS and PS the same size, thus scaling shouldn't be taken seriously from them.

Why am I even replying to you? :lol

When rasengan show feats then we can talk about it. Even those frs he threw while in rsm are shit compared to what Sasuke displayed. I'll counter the rest when I get home

 

[Zealous Sparks]

...........

Then I guess:

JJ Madara's PS=Kakashi's PS=EMS Sasuke's PS=RG Sasuke's PS=Shisui's fanfic PS=Itachi's fanfic PS=EMS Madara's PS=Kurama Avatar=Rikudo Kurama Avatar.





I understood when people (myself included) tried to use this argument for Sasuke, but Itachi? Come on now.

-Itachi's V4 is the size of Hydra.
-Madara's V4 is the size of Full Kurama.
-Madara's Ribcage blocks Mei and Ay's attacks, and Tsunade's punch.
-Sasuke's Ribcage, which is around Itachi's in power, gets broken through with zero effort.

And no. It makes perfect sense. Jutsu strength is determined by chakra strength. Rasengan is a Jutsu. Madara's chakra>>EMS Sasuke's>>MS Itachi's. Thus their Susanoo strength goes the same way.




Then mentioning them was pointless.

ugh

1)
I don't think your understanding...
JJ Madara's PS=Kakashi's PS=EMS Sasuke's PS=RG Sasuke's PS=Shisui's fanfic PS=Itachi's fanfic PS=EMS Madara's PS=Kurama Avatar=Rikudo Kurama Avatar.
This is not what I'm saying^
In durability :
Itachi amorured = Itachi storm 4 PS, Madara v4 = Madaras PS, Sasukes v4 = Sasukes PS ..etc
Itachi PS ~ Madaras PS ~ Sasukes PS
The strength is similar the differences aren't great enough for it to matter that much
*btw its not a fanfic if the creator drew it =)

2)
And no. It makes perfect sense. Jutsu strength is determined by chakra strength. Rasengan is a Jutsu. Madara's chakra>>EMS Sasuke's>>MS Itachi's. Thus their Susanoo strength goes the same way.

The chakra gap between the 3 isn't as great as your making it seem. Itachi just has bad stamina. As for your rasengan argument its DC depends on how much chakra is used with it. you can't adjust susanoo and make it more durable by putting more chakra into it.

 

[KidGamer65]

When rasengan show feats then we can talk about it. Even those frs he threw while in rsm are shit compared to what Sasuke displayed. I'll counter the rest when I get home

Except no one is comparing him to Sasuke. :lol I suggest you learn how to read and then get back at me.

ugh

1)

In durability :
Itachi amorured = Itachi storm 4 PS, Madara v4 = Madaras PS, Sasukes v4 = Sasukes PS ..etc
Itachi PS ~ Madaras PS ~ Sasukes PS
The strength is similar the differences aren't great enough for it to matter that much
*btw its not a fanfic if the creator drew it =)

Which is based off of nothing but your opinion, which is something I do not care for unless it is backed by evidence. And the bold gives me another reason not to take you seriously. PS=V4? What? Are you joking? You Itachi fans need to cut this out. If I used your logic, I'd be saying that:

EMS Sasuke's PS, RG Sasuke's PS, EMS Madara's PS, JJ Madara's PS, DMS Kakashi's PS, Kurama Avatar, RSM Kurama, Shisui/Itachi filler PS are all around the same level of power, which is BS.

The chakra gap between the 3 isn't as great as your making it seem. Itachi just has bad stamina. As for your rasengan argument its DC depends on how much chakra is used with it. you can't adjust susanoo and make it more durable by putting more chakra into it.

Which is again based on nothing.

-Itachi's stamina is relevant when talking about the POWER of his chakra.
-Like I already said above, Rasengan's power is based on strength and size. Like I also just said, assume all Rasengans being made are the same size. (Naruto, Jiraiya and Minato's Rasengan are all around the same size in Base anyway) Naruto's is far stronger and that's because his chakra is far stronger.

More chakra into Susanoo is obviously not what I was saying and is obviously completely irrelevant. POWER of the chakra is what is relevant, and Sasuke's PS w/ Senjutsu gets obliterated by Obito's drop slam, while Madara's PS protects him from the combined power of SS's attack and Kurama's BD barrage. Itachi's isn't even as strong as Sasuke's.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Which is based off of nothing but your opinion, which is something I do not care for unless it is backed by evidence. And the bold gives me another reason not to take you seriously. PS=V4? What? Are you joking? You Itachi fans need to cut this out. If I used your logic, I'd be saying that:

EMS Sasuke's PS, RG Sasuke's PS, EMS Madara's PS, JJ Madara's PS, DMS Kakashi's PS, Kurama Avatar, RSM Kurama, Shisui/Itachi filler PS are all around the same level of power, which is BS.

Its simple logic really. Your not understanding me again. I said your V4 durability is the same as your PS durability not strength / power. Yes all PS are relatively around the same power unless you can prove that they are vastly inferior. Rikudou versions being stronger ofc.

Which is again based on nothing.

-Itachi's stamina is relevant when talking about the POWER of his chakra.
-Like I already said above, Rasengan's power is based on strength and size. Like I also just said, assume all Rasengans being made are the same size. (Naruto, Jiraiya and Minato's Rasengan are all around the same size in Base anyway) Naruto's is far stronger and that's because his chakra is far stronger.

More chakra into Susanoo is obviously not what I was saying and is obviously completely irrelevant. POWER of the chakra is what is relevant, and Sasuke's PS w/ Senjutsu gets obliterated by Obito's drop slam, while Madara's PS protects him from the combined power of SS's attack and Kurama's BD barrage. Itachi's isn't even as strong as Sasuke's.

Im arguing the power of his chakra is not so far off from sasuke and madara's. Unless you have reason for me doubt this. Naruto's rasengan is stronger cause he has more chakra to put in as well. Similar to the clone jutsu he can make more clones due to chakra pool. Chakra power is the issue prove to me Itachi's chakra power is far less than sasukes and madaras show me a scan for Sasukes PS v Obito's

 

[Kagustuchi]

Let's not forget that Rikudo Naruto and Rikudo Sasuke's clash at VOTE completely destroyed both statues (despite Sasuke not being able to even keep 3T on, and both of them were barely able to stand.)

Then we have VOTE1 Naruto and Sasuke clash not being anywhere near that despite having plenty of chakra leftover and being enhanced by Kurama and the Curse Seal