SM Jiraiya vs Kakuzu

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☯Condition:
10 meters.

☯Location:
The location were Kakuzu fought Kakashi


☯Restriction:
None


☯Intel:
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☯Intentions:
To stop the opposing force from interfering with their objective, no matter what means they must use to ensure success.

 

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Jiraiya wins low diff
 

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Jiraiya croaks Kakuzu.
 

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Jiraiya with no difficulty whatsoever. *waits for Zexion and DrProof*

All Jiraiya needs to do is SM Enhanced Yomi Numa.
 
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Jiraiya stomps. No explanation needed here.
 

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Base jiraiya is enough
 

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Kakuzu shit stomps from this distance

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"Too fast"
Sasuke's novice 2 tomoe sharingan already saw light speed movement
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Kakashi's sharingan vs Kakuzu was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sasuke's
So the speed of Kakuzu's threads are Massively faster than light. He shitstomps
 

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Smh Jiraiya wank man is hilarious

"Yomi Nura GG"

All wank aside Kakuzu has a chance but Jiraiya probably pulls it off, high difficulty though :lol
 

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Yomi Numa is the least of Kakuzu's worries here lmao.

Base J-man schools him.
 

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Lmao at kratos comparing exhausted Kakashi's speed to SM Jiraiya's, who is cleatly faster and has better reflexes.
 

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Lmao at kratos comparing exhausted Kakashi's speed to SM Jiraiya's, who is cleatly faster and has better reflexes.
The joke----------->
your head
 

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You've made post like that but seriously, so don't blame me
 

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Dislikes basically replaced arguments these days :lol
 

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Alright. How does Kakuzu win?

He counters alot of Jiraiya's arsenal, and Jiraiya just gets overwhelmed, just like he was nearly overwhelmed by the three weakest paths of pain.

If you want to go in depth about it you'll have to post an argument or debate me.

-Yomi nura is taken out easily, if it even hits.

-His goamon isn't as OP in an outside environment as it can't accumulate, and Domu should tank it anyways, fuuton dispersis it.

-Summons and Rasengan are the only semi dangerous aspects of Jiraiya's arsenal but even then its debatable.


You'll probably come up with some half wit strategy that would never really happen anyways, however i'll hear it.

Don't bring up sound genjutsu most overhyped jutsu.
 

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He counters alot of Jiraiya's arsenal, and Jiraiya just gets overwhelmed, just like he was nearly overwhelmed by the three weakest paths of pain.

That's a misguided way of putting it. If you read the fight again, Jiraiya was on the offensive the entire time. When was he nearly overwhelmed by the three paths? If you really look at in the fight, Jiraiya didn't need sound genjutsu to win.

-Preta Path is busy absorbing the fireball.
-Human Path is stuck in Yomi Numa.
-Animal Path was just sent flying by a kick.

All Jiraiya needed to do was blast Animal Path with another fireball to kill it, and take out Preta with frog kata while Human drowns in the swamp. And this is without the assistance of boss summons, or Ma and Pa. He was just playing it safe with the sound genjutsu strategy. By feats Jiraiya can take out those paths low-mid difficulty.

If you want to go in depth about it you'll have to post an argument or debate me.

-Yomi nura is taken out easily, if it even hits.

I agree that Yomi Numa isn't very useful in this match. Katon can dry up the swamp, or Raiton can negate it with its elemental advantage. Kakuzu can also use threads to latch himself onto something and pull himself out.

-His goamon isn't as OP in an outside environment as it can't accumulate, and Domu should tank it anyways, fuuton dispersis it.

Disagree with Domu tanking it. Allow me to quote myself:

Goemon- Jiraiya can enhance his Goemon to be even stronger by using instead of from his mouth, while Ma or Pa supplies the oil. Dai Endan is superior to regular Oil Bullet since it combines oil and fire like a flamethrower and is more than ten times larger than his regular flame bombs [ ]. Goemon alone reaches in temperature so modified Goemon should be much hotter. Lava upon exiting a volcano is around and was , and forced Madara to upgrade to V2 Susanoo and did , so continued exposure to the flames can melt a ribcage. How long can Jiraiya maintain this jutsu? Well Dai Endan occupied Preta Path for the entirety of Jiraiya's assault on the three paths [ =]=>[ ] and that was just a clone using the technique. Modified Goemon can make Itachi keep up at least a V2. If Jiraiya summons Gamabunta and combines Goemon with (with Bunta enhancing the attack with oil) the heat can wreck a V2 Susanoo and do moderate damage to V3 Susanoo.

Ribcage Susanoo is much more durable than Domu. Next up, Fuuton would not disperse it and in fact would be overpowered due to it having the elemental disadvantage and not showing much physical power.

-Summons and Rasengan are the only semi dangerous aspects of Jiraiya's arsenal but even then its debatable.

The battle will inevitably come down to Jiraiya closing the distance between them and smashing Kakuzu into smithereens with a Chou Oodama Rasengan.

You'll probably come up with some half wit strategy that would never really happen anyways, however i'll hear it.

The arguments you just brought to the table weren't very impressive to begin with.

Don't bring up sound genjutsu most overhyped jutsu.

I'd love to hear Kakuzu's counter to it.
 

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That's a misguided way of putting it. If you read the fight again, Jiraiya was on the offensive the entire time. When was he nearly overwhelmed by the three paths? If you really look at in the fight, Jiraiya didn't need sound genjutsu to win.

-Preta Path is busy absorbing the fireball.
-Human Path is stuck in Yomi Numa.
-Animal Path was just sent flying by a kick.

All Jiraiya needed to do was blast Animal Path with another fireball to kill it, and take out Preta with frog kata while Human drowns in the swamp. And this is without the assistance of boss summons, or Ma and Pa. He was just playing it safe with the sound genjutsu strategy. By feats Jiraiya can take out those paths low-mid difficulty.

I don't think he was ever shown to have Kata, or his punches would not have been able to be blocked via human path.

-Animal path was already too far for Jiraiya's katon to be lethal even if it did hit.
-Ma and Pa were busy casting the sound genjutsu, which is already what was confusing the paths I believe mind you.
-He still needed to retreat to a narrow corridor which is not a very common battle ground.

Before he retreated into the pipes he was pretty helpless.

Summons would have been useles due to human paths ability imo, although I feel like Kishi didn't fully know what it was then :lol



I agree that Yomi Numa isn't very useful in this match. Katon can dry up the swamp, or Raiton can negate it with its elemental advantage. Kakuzu can also use threads to latch himself onto something and pull himself out.

In this location tis true, or any location perhaps if he can latch to the ground.

Disagree with Domu tanking it. Allow me to quote myself:



Ribcage Susanoo is much more durable than Domu. Next up, Fuuton would not disperse it and in fact would be overpowered due to it having the elemental disadvantage and not showing much physical power.

It cleared Kakuzu's battlefield as well as create a crater?

Anyways didn't realize that he used a different technique the second time, but even still what would that do? It wouldn't really make it any hotter/stronger as the oil and fire are being combined regardless its just happening in one mouth now, adding more flames would either:

A- Be ineffective due to the Dai Endan overpowering the normal katon anyways
or
B- Merely give it a bit more range, I don't see why you would think it makes it more powerful.

If oil is being added from one of the sages instead of katon, it would merely increase its size which in the end is futile due to the plain fact that this is a out door battlefield with tree's. This isn't a room where the Goamon can accumulate and turn into waves, it would disperse until its volume is miniscule, while Kakuzu can safely ride it out from above.

You plan on having Jiraiya hold this jutsu despite Kakuzu's hearts having feats of sustaining high elevation for a decent amount of time? He'd be blasted .-. Also your durability stat is off as Jiraiya launched another Dai Endan (which human and animal gracefully avoided) as to block preta's sight even after he finished absorbing the first one and turned around.



The battle will inevitably come down to Jiraiya closing the distance between them and smashing Kakuzu into smithereens with a Chou Oodama Rasengan.

Why would it smash anyone to smitherenes :lol, we've all seen what Rasengan does a larger one just does much more damage but it doesn't smash anything really. Questionable if Domu could tank it in the first place, but you're overrating Jiraiya's speed here as the weaker paths were dealing with him.

While Kakuzu who has shown speed above that certain Kakashi who was dealing with the two fastest paths (Deva and Asura) Kakashi's speed couldn't have increased that greatly inbetween the arcs, as he was out searching for Itachi the entire time in between.


The arguments you just brought to the table weren't very impressive to begin with.

I didn't bring any arguments?

You had some good ones though, would be interesting to debate you on this.


I'd love to hear Kakuzu's counter to it.

-It takes loads of prep, someone like Kakuzu who has 4 massive ways to keep you from preparing said prep, is not a good opponent to go against with this.

-No pipes to travel through means not a very large range to begin with.

-Kakuzu's fuuton simply is louder with the pressure it creates.
 
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