BM Naruto vs EMS Sasuke

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No that Rasengan isn't anywhere near Mountain level. That Rasengan was the combined efforts of Minato and Naruto. Obito used 1 Tsb to block their Rasengan[ ]. He used multiple to block the Bijuudama and Susanooo arrows show here[ ] We can see three of them rushing to block Obito.


Can't believe you just said that. A huge frs didn't even make an explosion comparable to bijuudama's[ ] L0l a chou Rasengan couldn't even best a Susanoo rib-cage[ ]
Yet it can hollow out mountains? Smh hilarious.


It was 1 Tsb in both situations(what three there clearly behind him) and only minato made the rasengan. Again naruto's only contribution was added sm.

You clearly don't understand how far he threw it, and I was referencing jman's Cho odama not naruto's.


EITHER WAY IT BEATS OUT PS CHIDORI. Element advantage, and power greater than the puny tbb used to stalemate ps chidori.
 

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The Enton simply appeared on his Susano , it was not a Kagutsuchi because he didn't form them in any way. And I hope to god you don't believe he can cast Amaterasu on the parts of Susano behind him. Kagutsuchi allows him to manipulate the flames, Enton does not. Thus when Enton appears on his Susano he has just channeled his chakra nature into his Susano.

What in the world are you talking about?

-C says he's controlling the flames.

Enton Kagutsuchi.

-Flames appear in his hand and on his Susanoo literally every single time he uses "Enton Kagutsuchi". It stating "control" doesn't change that fact.

When Sasuke's flames appear on his Susanoo, it's Kagutsuchi.



This is the only thing that I am iffy about right now.

Not sure what there is to be iffy about. It clearly states what it states.



It would mean he can channel it into his Susano, thus create a Chidori.

Except you don't even have proof that he can do it with one chakra nature besides Enton, which he has a completely separate jutsu for.
 

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People keep saying good find but that was ashura kurama tf
 

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People keep saying good find but that was ashura kurama tf

well good for them becoz only 1 TSB is visible in that scan so in no way its debunking the fact that TSB is needed for TBBFRS also naruto cannot use Large FRS or Fuuton rasengan in BSM form becoz he needs clone to create either of them
 

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well good for them becoz only 1 TSB is visible in that scan so in no way its debunking the fact that TSB is needed for TBBFRS also naruto cannot use Large FRS or Fuuton rasengan in BSM form becoz he needs clone to create either of them

Nothing really implies he used a TSB to form his TBBFRS
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Nothing really implies he used a TSB to form his TBBFRS
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Ah I see care to explain what he used each and every time to create TBBFRS

Care to explain when has an jinchuriki in avatar form created Bijuudama via hands not Mouth

Would love to see anything that supports that The BDFRS was not created via TSB
 
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Ah I see care to explain what he used each and every time to create TBBFRS

Care to explain when has an jinchuriki in avatar form created Bijuudama via hands not Mouth

Would love to see anything that supports that The BDFRS was not created via TSB

-TSB...
-KCM Naruto was shown making mini bijuu damas in his hands whilist cloaked. Obviously there is no need while his avatar is up as that allows him to create bigger TBB's
- I guess that the 2 TSB not flying over Naruto's head wouldn't be a large enough catalyst for the BDFRS when combined.
 
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Yeah
-KCM Naruto was shown making mini bijuu damas in his hands whilist cloaked. Obviously there is no need while his avatar is up as that allows him to create bigger TBB's
Talking about avatar

- I guess that the 2 TSB not flying over Naruto's head wouldn't be a large enough catalyst for the BDFRS when combined.
Each of the TSB FRS took out 1 CT
The more important factor is the gigantic amount senjutsu he put in them imo
 

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What in the world are you talking about?

-C says he's controlling the flames.

Enton Kagutsuchi.

-Flames appear in his hand and on his Susanoo literally every single time he uses "Enton Kagutsuchi". It stating "control" doesn't change that fact.

When Sasuke's flames appear on his Susanoo, it's Kagutsuchi.





Not sure what there is to be iffy about. It clearly states what it states.





Except you don't even have proof that he can do it with one chakra nature besides Enton, which he has a completely separate jutsu for.

Seems like you're right. Just checked the VIZ of the Kakashi statements and it seems that Rikudo is the implied reason for Kamui Shuriken. Meh, I'd still think Sasuke would win this in a canon fight if TBB was restricted given they should be equals as BM vs PS. Maybe a massive Enton arrow via PS (the larger the Susano variant the more Enton is present, as shown from small v1 orb to massive v4 orb. Ps is like 10x as big) would do the trick, but that's just speculation.
 

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Can anyone correct this?

1. BSM Naruto Avatar durability and Physical attacks (against Juubito) were = Kurama/CM boost V3 Susanoo legs.

2. PS is the next level, without these boost he had with V3.

3. Does that still mean Boost V3legs is superior to Sasuke's own PS in attack power/durability? Which = BSM?

4. Let alone BM?
 

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Can anyone correct this?

1. BSM Naruto Avatar durability and Physical attacks (against Juubito) were = Kurama/CM boost V3 Susanoo legs.

2. PS is the next level, without these boost he had with V3.

3. Does that still mean Boost V3legs is superior to Sasuke's own PS in attack power/durability? Which = BSM?

4. Let alone BM?

BSM Avatar = CS and Kurama Chakra enhanced standing Susano'O > Kurama Chakra enhanced standing Susano'O = PS = BM avatar
 

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Can anyone correct this?

1. BSM Naruto Avatar durability and Physical attacks (against Juubito) were = Kurama/CM boost V3 Susanoo legs.

2. PS is the next level, without these boost he had with V3.

3. Does that still mean Boost V3legs is superior to Sasuke's own PS in attack power/durability? Which = BSM?

4. Let alone BM?

Given the multipliers of cs and full kurama, yeah.

Naruto cloak on its own is x3 at the least(massive underselling)
Naruto/minato cloak is x6 at the least (again underselling)

Cs is a watered down sm so I'll be nice and say x2 (underselling yet again)


So sasuke's legged susanno was at the very least 8 times stronger than normal. You think legged susanno is 1/8 the power of ps?
 

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It was 1 Tsb in both situations(what three there clearly behind him) and only minato made the rasengan. Again naruto's only contribution was added sm.

You clearly don't understand how far he threw it, and I was referencing jman's Cho odama not naruto's.


EITHER WAY IT BEATS OUT PS CHIDORI. Element advantage, and power greater than the puny tbb used to stalemate ps chidori.
Done taking you serious. First you claim a cho Odama Rasengan can hallow out a mountain then you claimed. A SM inhanced Rasengan > a SM inhanced TBB? Smh.

No it wasn't clearly we see the other tsb's moving in front of Obito. Then there's the fact that a Susanoo slash and Kurama paw slap was busting through a TSB[ ] Yet he only used 1 TSB to stop and TBB and Susanoo arrow when the scan right about is clear proof that a Susanoo slash and a Kurama slap can bust a Tsb smh stop. You can clearly see tbb's scattered pieces all around Obito in this scan. Let's break down the power of a Rasengan.

I Giant FRS doesn't even have the explosion radius of a TBB which can been seen towering over mountains and Bijuu[ ] Now look how mediocre this CHO FRS explosion looks[ ] This is proof that a small tbb is even tiers above a CHOU FRS which is tiers above a CHOU Rasengan which means that SM inhanced TBB shits on that Rasengan. NUFF SAID.
 

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Given the multipliers of cs and full kurama, yeah.

Naruto cloak on its own is x3 at the least(massive underselling)
Naruto/minato cloak is x6 at the least (again underselling)

Cs is a watered down sm so I'll be nice and say x2 (underselling yet again)


So sasuke's legged susanno was at the very least 8 times stronger than normal. You think legged susanno is 1/8 the power of ps?

The manga isn't defined enough to have such exact numbers.

Given it could, because the base strength of Susano'O is determined chakra potency. Then more chakra is added to make it larger and denser, adding layers of armor and increasing the durability of previous ones.

Genral levels of durability is basically all you can go by. We know that Sasuke's PS requires Moutain level DC to damage, and Madara's requires Multi Mountain range. Lower levels would require less.
 

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Actually Kakashi stated his cloak was far stronger then the previous 3x boost, I'd say 10x at the very least.
 

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10x v3 susanoo is still no where near PS
 

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10x v3 susanoo is still no where near PS

They don't say PS=v3+Kyuubi chakra because of the number behind the multiplier. They say it because they were being portrayed as equals, continuously.
 

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Done taking you serious. First you claim a cho Odama Rasengan can hallow out a mountain then you claimed. A SM inhanced Rasengan > a SM inhanced TBB? Smh.

No it wasn't clearly we see the other tsb's moving in front of Obito. Then there's the fact that a Susanoo slash and Kurama paw slap was busting through a TSB[ ] Yet he only used 1 TSB to stop and TBB and Susanoo arrow when the scan right about is clear proof that a Susanoo slash and a Kurama slap can bust a Tsb smh stop. You can clearly see tbb's scattered pieces all around Obito in this scan. Let's break down the power of a Rasengan.

I Giant FRS doesn't even have the explosion radius of a TBB which can been seen towering over mountains and Bijuu[ ] Now look how mediocre this CHO FRS explosion looks[ ] This is proof that a small tbb is even tiers above a CHOU FRS which is tiers above a CHOU Rasengan which means that SM inhanced TBB shits on that Rasengan. NUFF SAID.


Get the fck outta here. Not once did i claim the bold. I said cho odamma is hyped to hollow out mountains. Which it is:
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Then i said standard sm frs is small mountain buster. Which it is by feats.

Says sword/swipe can bust through......then shows me a scan of it failing to bust through. And again thats 1 tsb. we clearly see the others behind him.

Killer be gets hit by his own tbb in the sky (which shows no mountains mind you) says it scales mountains. lol
The tree is this big:
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FARR HIGHER than any mountain.

Naruto threw it from the top of the tree at a wide angle:
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Yet those at the base DESPITE IT BEING MAD FAR AWAY still see the explosion.

Sasuke had to travel by BIRD (weather it be ink bird from sai or his bird) To go back and fourth from where naruto threw it to the base of the tree. So yeah a frs BIGGER THAN KURAMA AVATAR ITSELF(and not just bigger than naruto as seen in the scans above) out powers a tbb smaller than kurama's mouth.

The manga isn't defined enough to have such exact numbers.

Given it could, because the base strength of Susano'O is determined chakra potency. Then more chakra is added to make it larger and denser, adding layers of armor and increasing the durability of previous ones.

Genral levels of durability is basically all you can go by. We know that Sasuke's PS requires Moutain level DC to damage, and Madara's requires Multi Mountain range. Lower levels would require less.

Actually it has. Kakashi flat out states the first chakra he got was a 3x multiplier. And that wasn't the full chakra cloak everyone else got(including him) afterwards.

I lowballed it greatly, since those are the only exacts. cm is the only questionable multiplier( well over 2x) but i gave it 2x since its the absolute minimum.
 
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