Sasuke's Senjutsu Susanoo

[KidGamer65]

Let's assume that he can form it into that shape, since it makes sense. Are you saying that:

-It's durability will increase?
-It's physical stats will increase?
-It can use the same jutsu Bijuu Susanoo used at VoTE? (Chidori Senbon, Indra's Arrow)
-Sasuke's chakra will be filling up the holes instead of the Bijuu chakra?

If you say yes to any of these questions, then you'd have to explain why. The third could make sense as long as the fourth is true. What I'm mainly interested in is why you might think it's durability or physical stats would increase when the Susanoo before and after the shape change is being formed by the same chakra. Same potency. Susanoo's power is based on the strength of the chakra. If Sasuke can form Bijuu Susanoo with his own chakra in place of the Bijuu chakra, then there's no reason for it's speed, strength or durability to go up. Adding more chakra won't achieve that effect.

 

[DHOH]

I understand though, having a thread and trying to prove something while having to deal with lots of comments can be frustrating at times.


Okay i'm listening.


Yes he used Outer Path to place them in his Susano'o as the Gedo Manzou vessel replacement.


Sort of. Originally the Tailed Beasts were the Juubi, so placing their chakra into the vessel can create a Juubi-like creation.


I explained above.


Well Hagoromo was the Juubi Jinchuriki, but they don't have the same chakra. Six Path Senjutsu came from the Fruit via Kaguya who birthed two sons. That's why they have Truth Seeking Balls and such. Even Hamura despite him not having any contact with the Tailed Beast, and younger Hagoromo who wasn't a Jinchuriki yet.


I don't know how to calculate that at all.


I replied to your questions

Thanks for the reply..
For the most part we agree on all but one question.
I'm not saying Sasuke have six path senjutsu.
I'm saying he has senjutsu chakra.
Proof:
Viz translation sasuke Sasuke says "I have senjutsu to"... By the way can you pull that up please.
2. Sasuke use a black chidori to help seal Madara's limbo. Which can only be harmed by senjutsu related attacks. Black childproof is a senjutsu enhanced attack.
3. Sasuke used the same black chakra to slice Madara in half.. Again showing only senjutsu attacks can injure a JJ.

Whether we agree on or not, hagoromo having the same chakra as Jubbi isn't really the issue.

As long as we agree that Hagoromo gave Sasuke some form of senjutsu chakra correct?

Which would allow him to create the same chakra that was put into his new Susanoo.. Correct?

 

[Warlocks]

Thanks for the reply..
For the most part we agree on all but one question.
I'm not saying Sasuke have six path senjutsu.
I'm saying he has senjutsu chakra.
Proof:
Viz translation sasuke Sasuke says "I have senjutsu to"... By the way can you pull that up please.
2. Sasuke use a black chidori to help seal Madara's limbo. Which can only be harmed by senjutsu related attacks. Black childproof is a senjutsu enhanced attack.
3. Sasuke used the same black chakra to slice Madara in half.. Again showing only senjutsu attacks can injure a JJ.

Whether we agree on or not, hagoromo having the same chakra as Jubbi isn't really the issue.

As long as we agree that Hagoromo gave Sasuke some form of senjutsu chakra correct?

Which would allow him to create the same chakra that was put into his new Susanoo.. Correct?

did you missed that( Narutobase viz clear up thread) y

You must be registered for see images

lol even after i post viz scene you sill sayin that lolololol man how much you love to trol
or you think six path power= six path senjutsu

 

[DHOH]

Let's assume that he can form it into that shape, since it makes sense. Are you saying that:

-It's durability will increase?
-It's physical stats will increase?
-It can use the same jutsu Bijuu Susanoo used at VoTE? (Chidori Senbon, Indra's Arrow)
-Sasuke's chakra will be filling up the holes instead of the Bijuu chakra?

If you say yes to any of these questions, then you'd have to explain why. The third could make sense as long as the fourth is true. What I'm mainly interested in is why you might think it's durability or physical stats would increase when the Susanoo before and after the shape change is being formed by the same chakra. Same potency. Susanoo's power is based on the strength of the chakra. If Sasuke can form Bijuu Susanoo with his own chakra in place of the Bijuu chakra, then there's no reason for it's speed, strength or durability to go up. Adding more chakra won't achieve that effect.

Are you talking about stats increasing from Bijuu Susanoo or Sasuke's normal Susanoo?

If you are referring to his normal PS, I would say yes to all.

Sasuke's susanoo took on a new form and shape from having a more powerful chakra put into it, (Senjutsu) so it would make sense for it to gain more durability, and physical stats to increase, and use the same feats as VOTE.

Yes Sasuke's chakra will be filling up the holes instead of the bijuu. I say this because Sasuke share a portion of the same chakra that created the new Susanoo in the first place. His chakra has grown over the years, meaning he should be cable of performing the same Susanoo because he has enough if the same kind of chakra that made this Susanoo in the first place..

Same chakra = same strength = same feats

The only difference is Sasuke have less chakra then the merging of the bijuu so he can't keep it up as long..

 

[DHOH]

did you missed that( Narutobase viz clear up thread) y

You must be registered for see images

lol even after i post viz scene you sill sayin that lolololol man how much you love to trol
or you think six path power= six path senjutsu

I cant talk to people that thinks senjutsu chakra and six paths senjutsu are the same..

 

[KidGamer65]

Are you talking about stats increasing from Bijuu Susanoo or Sasuke's normal Susanoo?

If you are referring to his normal PS, I would say yes to all.

Sasuke's susanoo took on a new form and shape from having a more powerful chakra put into it, (Senjutsu) so it would make sense for it to gain more durability, and physical stats to increase, and use the same feats as VOTE.

Yes Sasuke's chakra will be filling up the holes instead of the bijuu. I say this because Sasuke share a portion of the same chakra that created the new Susanoo in the first place. His chakra has grown over the years, meaning he should be cable of performing the same Susanoo because he has enough if the same kind of chakra that made this Susanoo in the first place..

Same chakra = same strength = same feats

The only difference is Sasuke have less chakra then the merging of the bijuu so he can't keep it up as long..

Yeah, from normal Susanoo.

Bold doesn't make sense. Sasuke's chakra is Hagoromo's chakra, thus it's already Senjutsu, which is already what makes up his Susanoo as Susanoo is the user's chakra. Adding more chakra doesn't make it's stats go up, because Sasuke's chakra is all that is going in there. The only reason it got stronger when he did so at VoTE is because Sasuke's Chakra+Juubi's Chakra=Stronger Chakra.

Ok.

Nope. Same chakra? False. It all being Senjutsu doesn't say anything about the strength of the chakra. Sasuke's chakra is Sasuke's chakra. Since he's not adding anything it remains the same when he transforms his Susanoo, so besides the ability to use Indra's Arrow and Chidori Senbon, there is absolutely no reason to believe his Susanoo would get stronger.

 

[lndra]

Thanks for the reply..
For the most part we agree on all but one question.
I'm not saying Sasuke have six path senjutsu.
I'm saying he has senjutsu chakra.
Proof:
Viz translation sasuke Sasuke says "I have senjutsu to"... By the way can you pull that up please.
2. Sasuke use a black chidori to help seal Madara's limbo. Which can only be harmed by senjutsu related attacks. Black childproof is a senjutsu enhanced attack.
3. Sasuke used the same black chakra to slice Madara in half.. Again showing only senjutsu attacks can injure a JJ.

Whether we agree on or not, hagoromo having the same chakra as Jubbi isn't really the issue.

As long as we agree that Hagoromo gave Sasuke some form of senjutsu chakra correct?

Which would allow him to create the same chakra that was put into his new Susanoo.. Correct?

Which Chapter are you looking for?

Would this help?

You must be registered for see links

Though I think the Senjutsu came from the actual seals (Yin/Yang), since they seemed to contain their own abilities. Naruto re-creating an eye for Kakashi, and Sasuke using Senjutsu-enhanced techniques. All that stuff ended after they sealed Kaguya.

Okay.

Well that's what I'm slightly confused in. Sasuke's Susano'o changed because he activated Outer Path which allowed the Susano'o to absorb the alien (Bijuu) chakra and place it in there. How would his regular chakra or Senjutsu activate Outer Path so that his Susano'o can change?

 

[BLAZE]

Because Outer Path is not required to create it. The Outer Path only deals with merging the bijuus' chakra and integrating it with Susanoo. If Sasuke creates that using his own Six Paths chakra, then Outer Path has no business there.

Hmm and how will it make a difference :| Sasuke maybe able to use IA or senbons[which i think he can use without BPS] but their strength won't be coparable to BPS imo :|

 

[Warlocks]

I cant talk to people that thinks senjutsu chakra and six paths senjutsu are the same..

lol wat when did said i think that i said you think that did you get that you think that not me

 

[BLAZE]

i can create flame war here using Chibaku Tensei's DB translation :snick:

 

[DHOH]

Yeah, from normal Susanoo.

Bold doesn't make sense. Sasuke's chakra is Hagoromo's chakra, thus it's already Senjutsu, which is already what makes up his Susanoo as Susanoo is the user's chakra. Adding more chakra doesn't make it's stats go up, because Sasuke's chakra is all that is going in there. The only reason it got stronger when he did so at VoTE is because Sasuke's Chakra+Juubi's Chakra=Stronger Chakra.

Ok.

Nope. Same chakra? False. It all being Senjutsu doesn't say anything about the strength of the chakra. Sasuke's chakra is Sasuke's chakra. Since he's not adding anything it remains the same when he transforms his Susanoo, so besides the ability to use Indra's Arrow and Chidori Senbon, there is absolutely no reason to believe his Susanoo would get stronger.

I had a different interpretation of how Sasuke's senjutsu chakra work.. But my interpretation is wrong.. Sasuke have his rinnegan activated at all times so he's using Hagoromo's chakra at all times. So you are correct with that.

I agree with the bottom part as well, but by being able to use other stronger jutsu make Susanoo stronger in its own right... Just not more durable or physically stronger.

Good post.

 

[lndra]

i can create flame war here using Chibaku Tensei's DB translation :snick:

Does the DB say anything about their sage powers when it came to the Yin/Yang seals?

 

[BLAZE]

Does the DB say anything about their sage powers when it came to the Yin/Yang seals?

No it literally spews something that can create flamewar :bdpf:

Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei

It has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a Kekkei Genkai, sealing technique.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much Chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic satellite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the Kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.

 

[Scryed]

Sasuke originally had Rikudou chakra.


Naruto had Rikudou Sage Mode. There is a difference although Naruto also has Rikudou chakra.



Edo Madara's Rinnegan was a fake so he didn't have the Rikudou chakra that he acquired upon awakening the Rinnegan, as an alternative he needed Hashirama's Sage Mode.. (Although he had Hashirama's Sage Mode, I do wonder whether Rikudou chakra played a factor in the fight right after his revival). The amount doesn't compare to Hagoromo's though. Hagoromo inherited his chakra from Kaguya and when it comes to her chakra, the more you have the stronger, faster, etc. you get.


Sasuke's PS was already being powered by Rikudou chakra. His "Bijuu" PS was being powered by the Bijuu in addition to his own. I am one of those who believe that the Gedo is needed to produce Rikudou/Juubi chakra rather than just combining the Bijuu. Afterall, the Juubi is essentially Kaguya and the Gedo is her empty vessel (it's like the 10th piece of the puzzle). Although the Bijuu are parts of her chakra, it seems like Hagoromo seperated that chakra into seperate types as well which is why they don't have Rikudou chakra. With Sasuke, he used his PS as a replacement to the Gedo. His PS was already being powered by Rikudou chakra so it might've produced a similar but different effect which resulted in that Susanoo.


Not so sure on this but these are my thoughts on this.




Oh and I'm not so sure if Rikudou chakra has Senjutsu. It does have similar properties to it though.

 

[KidGamer65]

I had a different interpretation of how Sasuke's senjutsu chakra work.. But my interpretation is wrong.. Sasuke have his rinnegan activated at all times so he's using Hagoromo's chakra at all times. So you are correct with that.

I agree with the bottom part as well, but by being able to use other stronger jutsu make Susanoo stronger in its own right... Just not more durable or physically stronger.

Good post.

True. At best I'd agree that Sasuke should be able to increase his firepower with Senbon and Indra's Arrow, but increase stats? Nah.

 

[lndra]

"It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu."
:bdpf:

Done

 

[Scryed]

Oh I guess Rikudou chakra really does have Senjutsu.

Forgot about the time when Sasuke stood on Naruto's Gudodama.

 

[DHOH]

Which Chapter are you looking for?

Would this help?

You must be registered for see links

Though I think the Senjutsu came from the actual seals (Yin/Yang), since they seemed to contain their own abilities. Naruto re-creating an eye for Kakashi, and Sasuke using Senjutsu-enhanced techniques. All that stuff ended after they sealed Kaguya.

Okay.

Well that's what I'm slightly confused in. Sasuke's Susano'o changed because he activated Outer Path which allowed the Susano'o to absorb the alien (Bijuu) chakra and place it in there. How would his regular chakra or Senjutsu activate Outer Path so that his Susano'o can change?

Forgot about the seals.. That could be the case.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Yeah, from normal Susanoo.

Bold doesn't make sense. Sasuke's chakra is Hagoromo's chakra, thus it's already Senjutsu, which is already what makes up his Susanoo as Susanoo is the user's chakra. Adding more chakra doesn't make it's stats go up, because Sasuke's chakra is all that is going in there. The only reason it got stronger when he did so at VoTE is because Sasuke's Chakra+Juubi's Chakra=Stronger Chakra.

Ok.

Nope. Same chakra? False. It all being Senjutsu doesn't say anything about the strength of the chakra. Sasuke's chakra is Sasuke's chakra. Since he's not adding anything it remains the same when he transforms his Susanoo, so besides the ability to use Indra's Arrow and Chidori Senbon, there is absolutely no reason to believe his Susanoo would get stronger.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[DHOH]

I couldn't agree more.

Lol you couldn't agree more?!?? Your replys and comments weren't in the same ball park and has nothing similar to KG's post.