Jiraiya and elders choose Tsunade as Hokage

[BlacLord™]

Because Tsunade was older and more settled, and had an ever higher reputation than Kakashi.


It's not all about power and people don't even stop to think; out of 365 days, how often is the Hokage fighting? The answer? They aren't. That's not the job; the job is to do paperwork and direct the village's future. The only time the Hokage joins a fight is when someone attacks the village that is vastly stronger than the average shinobi.

And how often did such an opponent appear in Tsunade's reign? Once. Once in four years. And that was an unusual occurrence. The same went for Hiruzen; except he had been Hokage since he was a teen and no exceptional shinobi appeared until Obito when he was in his 50-60s.

 

[Skull Knight]

I think the decision was more about intelligence and influence rather than physical power. Konoha's strongest (like Kakashi and Gai) are already there to fight regardless of rank. Tsunade knew how to lead and organize a village of fighters like them though, and I think her being an accomplished Sannin was also used to help give people a sense of security after Hiruzen died.

No she wasnot intelligent. she lost too much money in gambling.
And assuring people that they will be secure in Sanin reign is definately wrong. Oro destroyed Konoha,Jiraya was a pervert and a wanderer and Tsunade was a drunk old lady.
and lets assume for a second that they feel safe in Sanin reign then why Hiruzen didnot choose Jiraya or Tsunade as 4th Hokage?

Because Tsunade was older and more settled, and had an ever higher reputation than Kakashi.


It's not all about power and people don't even stop to think; out of 365 days, how often is the Hokage fighting? The answer? They aren't. That's not the job; the job is to do paperwork and direct the village's future. The only time the Hokage joins a fight is when someone attacks the village that is vastly stronger than the average shinobi.

And how often did such an opponent appear in Tsunade's reign? Once. Once in four years. And that was an unusual occurrence. The same went for Hiruzen; except he had been Hokage since he was a teen and no exceptional shinobi appeared until Obito when he was in his 50-60s.

U are wrong there. Hokage Hiruzen did faced stronger opponents like Kinkaku and ginkaku brothers, he saw Obito wrecking konoha, He fought Orochimaru, Hashirama and Tobirama at the same time. So i think Hiruzen had faced stronger opponents than Tsunade as Hokage.

 

[CalamityHeart]

Can she did 4 corner barrier to prevent jubi as other hokage do?

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is literally her jutsu. She's the one who designed it. Were you talking about something else?

No she wasnot intelligent.

Of course she's intelligent. She wrote the book on modern medical ninjutsu and established the rules that govern it. Lee, Sasuke, Kakashi, and Choji, an unknown number of poisoned ninja from the Second Shinobi World War, and, well... the entire Village population, all pretty much owe their lives and careers to her knowledge and prowess.

 

[Skull Knight]

Of course she's intelligent. She wrote the book on modern medical ninjutsu and established the rules that govern it. Lee, Sasuke, Kakashi, and Choji, an unknown number of poisoned ninja from the Second Shinobi World War, and, well... the entire Village population, all pretty much owe their lives and careers to her knowledge and prowess.

Not really. The book was written during Dan and her brother incident. after that she became a drunk gambler who used to lose badly.
and Shikamaru's dad, Kakashi and even Danzo was more intelligent then her.
and donot say thing like villagers owes there life because certain character did certain things.
Everybody owes there life to Team 7 but did Sakura or Sasuke become Hokage?

 

[CalamityHeart]

Not really. The book was written during Dan and her brother incident. after that she became a drunk gambler who used to lose badly.

She lost faith in herself. Doesn't take away from her intelligence, and it doesn't make her feats and contributions to the ninja world any less significant. And she regained faith in herself eventually anyway, so what does it really matter, in the end? Who could reasonably hold Tsunade's depressed stupor against her today, after all she's done for the village, before and after her slump?

and Shikamaru's dad, Kakashi and even Danzo was more intelligent then her.
and donot say thing like villagers owes there life because certain character did certain things.
Everybody owes there life to Team 7 but did Sakura or Sasuke become Hokage?

Sure, whatever you say. I wasn't arguing that Tsunade was "more intelligent than X, Y, or Z." I argued that she's intelligent. Everyone you mentioned is indeed incredibly intelligent in their own ways, as well. There's no real, reliable, quantifiable way to measure how much more intelligent they all are than each other, especially considering they all specialize in different things.

 

[Skull Knight]

She lost faith in herself. Doesn't take away from her intelligence, and it doesn't make her feats and contributions to the ninja world any less significant. And she regained faith in herself eventually anyway, so what does it really matter, in the end? Who could reasonably hold Tsunade's depressed stupor against her today, after all she's done for the village, before and after her slump?

Ok lets see this way Konoha got destroyed by sand village.
3rd Hokage died in saving his home.
Elders are looking for a new candidate to take hokage seat and u will choose somebody who is always drunk and wasting her money on gambling? when they already got candidates like Danzo(2nd Hokage's student), Shikamaru's dad(One of the best tatacian), Kakashi(4th hokage student and 3rd shinobi warhero).
They only choose her because Jiraya wanted her to become hokage. Danzo had more accolades than Tsunade had.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

a kage needs to be more than just really strong.

 

[CalamityHeart]

They only choose her because Jiraya wanted her to become hokage.

According to Koharu, one of those elders, the only reason they didn't consider Tsunade as a Hokage candidate was because they didn't know where she was. They were more than willing to give her the title once they thought Jiraiya could find her and convince her to take it.

They didn't know that Tsunade had fallen into a depressed stupor, so of course they wouldn't consider that against all the renown she has as one of the Legendary Sannin, just like they didn't know that Danzo literally told Root not to defend their village during Pain's attack, blatant treason, and yet he was still made a candidate for Sixth Hokage.

Danzo had more accolades than Tsunade had.

:wut:

...Go on.

 

[SatanicGod]

It not answering why they refuse gai, kakashi and danzo..

Gai isn't capable of being Hokage due to his obsession about Youth
In the manga, when they offered Kakashi the position he quite literally refused it.
Danzo is shady asf

 

[Skull Knight]

:wut:

...Go on.

And seriously U asking Danzo has no feats in comparison to Tsunade?
1)He was the one who founded Root. He did all dark and shady deals of Konoha. Even Hiruzen cannot remove him(shown in filler).
2)Danzo from no special clan had acquired both senju dna and one of the strongest MS.
3)Danzo even strike a deal with Hanzo the salamander to eliminate the Akatsuki(of that time)
4)He was the main mastermind behind Uchiha Massacre

On the other hand
Tsunade wrote some books on medic nin(hardly read by shinobi)
Her proposal that in a 3man squad one should be medic was also rejected.
And she must have learn that seal from her Grand mother Mito.

So now u compare who had more achievements Danzo or Tsunade. when Tusnade was busy in gambling and drinking Danzo was doing some shady business to protect the village:snick:

 

[Skull Knight]

According to Koharu, one of those elders, the only reason they didn't consider Tsunade as a Hokage candidate was because they didn't know where she was. They were more than willing to give her the title once they thought Jiraiya could find her and convince her to take it.

They didn't know that Tsunade had fallen into a depressed stupor, so of course they wouldn't consider that against all the renown she has as one of the Legendary Sannin, just like they didn't know that Danzo literally told Root not to defend their village during Pain's attack, blatant treason, and yet he was still made a candidate for Sixth Hokage.

Actually Koharu said "Tsunade is eligible" she never said "they were considering her to become hokage" same way Danzo, Kakashi and Shikamaru's dad were eligible.it was due to Jiraya's recommendation she became hokage. She herself donot want to become Hokage.

 

[CalamityHeart]

1)He was the one who founded Root. He did all dark and shady deals of Konoha. Even Hiruzen cannot remove him(shown in filler).
2)Danzo from no special clan had acquired both senju dna and one of the strongest MS.
3)Danzo even strike a deal with Hanzo the salamander to eliminate the Akatsuki(of that time)
4)He was the main mastermind behind Uchiha Massacre

That's... That's all great... I guess...? But if the government knew about any number of those dirty things Danzo had done, I'm pretty sure he'd be in prison... or dead... much less considered for Hokage candidacy.

1) The aforementioned blatant treason, preventing Root from aiding their village, just so he could have a shot at taking advantage of the Village's weakened state and Tsunade's coma to usurp the Hokage position for himself?

2) Overseeing the murders of an entire clan of people, his selfish desire for Shisui's eyes as a part of his collection preventing him from possibly bringing the whole controversy to a peaceful conclusion?

3) Coordinating with Orochimaru and becoming one of his first sick science projects? Helping him kidnap and kill children to use for his DNA experiments?

4) Directly responsible for jading Nagato's views of the world and changing Yahiko's Akatsuki, which advocated peace and an end to the war that was ruining their world and was not at all a threat to Hanzo's power, into Pain's (and subsequently, Obito & Madara's) criminal Akatsuki which eventually sought to end war by ending the world as humanity knew it?

5) Attempting to assassinate Hiruzen (more blatant treason) and directly undermining the authority of him and the rest of Konoha's government?

6) Using Kotoamatsukami to try to spin the Kage Summit in his favor and hoard as much power as he could for himself and the unified empire he was trying to create?

You would elect someone with feats like this as Hokage over someone with many actual genuine accolades, feats, and contributions to Konoha, one of the primary factors in Konoha winning the Second Shinobi World War, who just lost her faith, but still clearly had her skills and qualifications to try and do the world good? The council already didn't trust Danzo, and they didn't know half the things he was actually doing. The only reason he wasn't killed much sooner than he was is because Hiruzen was too kind.

 

[Skull Knight]

That's... That's all great... I guess...? But if the government knew about any number of those dirty things Danzo had done, I'm pretty sure he'd be in prison... or dead... much less considered for Hokage candidacy.

1) The aforementioned blatant treason, preventing Root from aiding their village, just so he could have a shot at taking advantage of the Village's weakened state and Tsunade's coma to usurp the Hokage position for himself?

2) Overseeing the murders of an entire clan of people, his selfish desire for Shisui's eyes as a part of his collection preventing him from possibly bringing the whole controversy to a peaceful conclusion?

3) Coordinating with Orochimaru and becoming one of his first sick science projects? Helping him kidnap and kill children to use for his DNA experiments?

4) Directly responsible for jading Nagato's views of the world and changing Yahiko's Akatsuki, which advocated peace and an end to the war that was ruining their world and was not at all a threat to Hanzo's power, into Pain's (and subsequently, Obito & Madara's) criminal Akatsuki which eventually sought to end war by ending the world as humanity knew it?

5) Attempting to assassinate Hiruzen (more blatant treason) and directly undermining the authority of him and the rest of Konoha's government?

6) Using Kotoamatsukami to try to spin the Kage Summit in his favor and hoard as much power as he could for himself and the unified empire he was trying to create?

You would elect someone with feats like this as Hokage over someone with many actual genuine accolades, feats, and contributions to Konoha, one of the primary factors in Konoha winning the Second Shinobi World War, who just lost her faith, but still clearly had her skills and qualifications to try and do the world good? The council already didn't trust Danzo, and they didn't know half the things he was actually doing. The only reason he wasn't killed much sooner than he was is because Hiruzen was too kind.

Actually Hiruzen knew what Danzo was doing(U said it yourself). It was also shown in Kakashi's filler episodes. Hiruzen and Danzo relationship was like Naruto and Sasukes relationship.
Secondly Hiruzen Killed less Uchiha in comparison to Hashirama and Tobirama(later two were fighting a war against Uchihas).
Uchiha coup de tat would happen if Danzo and Itachi didnot take action at the right time. More people would have died.
Nagato was manipulated by Obito not Danzo. Hanzo was losing his authority in Hidden Rain. He would have killed/assassinate Yahiko at some point. so i do not agree with that point.
Rest i agree he was doing lots of shady things but every village did that.
Sand Kazekage wanted Gaara's death. they also waged a war against konoha.
Kirigakure used to kill anyone who had kekkai genkai, they also have to fight till death to become a shinobi.
Iwagakure also used Akatsuki to carry missions where village could not be directly involved.
Kumogakure had so many problems. First a coup de tat by Kin and Gin forces, then they tried to kidnap Hinata.
Thus in shinobi world anyone can become kage. it doesnot matter how many person he saved or killed. And Tsunade failed to protect the village against Pain.Naruto has to come and defend the remaining survivors from Pain. That's why she left her position after the war and gave it to kakashi.

 

[BLAZE]

man i died reading this thraed NDS was bliss

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