Kakashi Chakra Inconsistency

itsxtrayy · Oct 6, 2015

Kakashi spamming all his jutsu in the war arc made a lot of people call BS. Obviously Kishi wanted Kakashi to fight most of the war, but his crap chakra reserves wouldn't allow it so the solution? Magically increase his reserves so now we have a "War arc Kakashi" which is BS because the war took place like 3 weeks after the pain invasion don't let the amount of chapters fool you, and i'm probably being generous it was actually more like a week no time to train or increase your reserves at all.

So lets take a look at Pain arc Kakashi's reserves, i'll show every single jutsu he used, and remember: pain didn't kill him he died because he exhausted all of his chakra.

Pain Arc Kakashi:

1 Earth Wall:

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5 Raikiri:

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1 Lightning Beast:

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1 Lightning Clone:

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1 Hiding Like A Mole:

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2 Kamui/Kakashi so depleted he dies:

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Kakashi used 11 jutsu and he was so drained he died, this is his limit about a week or two before the war arc, now lets compare this to war arc Kakashi before he ever gets any kyuubi refill.

War Arc Kakashi:

5 Raikiri:

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Kakashi is still fighting even though it's nightfall:

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1 shadow clone/Kakashi worried about his chakra:

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1 Lightning Chain:

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2 Raikiri Stream:

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5 Kamui:

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1 Earth Wall:

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I found a scan, Naruto got sent to the island 3 days after the kage summit and the war started that same day:

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15 jutsu, plus he fought the whole first day, and probably used moves off screen. And instead of twice he used kamui 5 TIMES in succession, but when he warped Sasuke's arrow four days earlier he was wobbling from 1 kamui:

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Kakashi should of died from chakra exhaustion after he warped himself out of Kamui dimension or when he was warping Naruto, actually, it should of been earlier since he fought for a whole day before he arrived.

Now, some people might say his chakra got replenished before he met up with Naruto but that doesn't matter because he still used 12 jutsu 5 of which were kamui and 1 shadow clone which splits chakra in half. The 5 kamui is the real problem tho. If 11 jutsu killed him a couple weeks ago, 12 should still do it.

Do you agree/disagree? Have a different explanation? Thanks for reading.

Ansatsuken · Oct 6, 2015

Rin incarnated inside him. Thats why

Amazeballs · Oct 6, 2015

Obviously there was War Arc Chakra Inflation at work, particularly with regards to Kakashi. Granted, during his fights prior to facing Obito, Kakashi had access to healers to replenish his stamina. However, it's undeniable that he began to use more Raikiri/Kamui than he could previously. It was basically "write Kakashi out of the plot, or allow him to use his abilities more often." Frankly, the plot worked just as excessively in reverse; Kakashi was kept down in the series when the arcs demanded lower power-levels, and so his chakra pool was always his downfall. Once the battles started being about Bijuudama spam and Chakra Mechas, Kakashi was allowed to use more abilities.

itsxtrayy · Oct 6, 2015

Amazeballs said:
Obviously there was War Arc Chakra Inflation at work, particularly with regards to Kakashi. Granted, during his fights prior to facing Obito, Kakashi had access to healers to replenish his stamina. However, it's undeniable that he began to use more Raikiri/Kamui than he could previously. It was basically "write Kakashi out of the plot, or allow him to use his abilities more often." Frankly, the plot worked just as excessively in reverse; Kakashi was kept down in the series when the arcs demanded lower power-levels, and so his chakra pool was always his downfall. Once the battles started being about Bijuudama spam and Chakra Mechas, Kakashi was allowed to use more abilities.

Since you understand that i'm sure I don't have to explain to you why that's just bad writing do I? Stories demand CONSISTENCY otherwise what's the point of having chakra levels in the first place? His stamina should be the same whether he's fighting Kakuzu/Hidan or Obito. And Kakashi wasn't kept down, it was established since part one that his chakra reserves were nothing special. 4 Raikiri's a day was his max.

Skull Knight · Oct 6, 2015

Whole war arc was badly written. :pick:

Obito's powers were restricted but Madara can use anything. :whip:

Obito even came back after death makes him the strongest character in NV but will anybody agreeXD
About Kakashi thing I agree War arc was like Bleach. Full of asspull powerups:x3:

xXMadaraUchiaXx · Oct 6, 2015

He died and made peace with his father

Maybe before this his emotions his hatred towards his daddy which he didnt know himself deep inside him restricted him

ninjarasengan · Oct 6, 2015

itsxtrayy said:
Kakashi spamming all his jutsu in the war arc made a lot of people call BS. Obviously Kishi wanted Kakashi to fight most of the war, but his crap chakra reserves wouldn't allow it so the solution? Magically increase his reserves so now we have a "War arc Kakashi" which is BS because the war took place like 3 weeks after the pain invasion don't let the amount of chapters fool you, and i'm probably being generous it was actually more like a week no time to train or increase your reserves at all.

So lets take a look at Pain arc Kakashi's reserves, i'll show every single jutsu he used, and remember: pain didn't kill him he died because he exhausted all of his chakra.

Pain Arc Kakashi:

1 Earth Wall:

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5 Raikiri:

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1 Lightning Beast:

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1 Lightning Clone:

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1 Hiding Like A Mole:

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2 Kamui/Kakashi so depleted he dies:

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Kakashi used 11 jutsu and he was so drained he died, this is his limit about a week or two before the war arc, now lets compare this to war arc Kakashi before he ever gets any kyuubi refill.

War Arc Kakashi:

5 Raikiri:

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Kakashi is still fighting even though it's nightfall:

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1 shadow clone/Kakashi worried about his chakra:

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1 Lightning Chain:

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2 Raikiri Stream:

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5 Kamui:

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1 Earth Wall:

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I found a scan, Naruto got sent to the island 3 days after the kage summit and the war started that same day:

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15 jutsu, plus he fought the whole first day, and probably used moves off screen. And instead of twice he used kamui 5 TIMES in succession, but when he warped Sasuke's arrow four days earlier he was wobbling from 1 kamui:

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Kakashi should of died from chakra exhaustion after he warped himself out of Kamui dimension or when he was warping Naruto, actually, it should of been earlier since he fought for a whole day before he arrived.

Now, some people might say his chakra got replenished before he met up with Naruto but that doesn't matter because he still used 12 jutsu 5 of which were kamui and 1 shadow clone which splits chakra in half. The 5 kamui is the real problem tho. If 11 jutsu killed him a couple weeks ago, 12 should still do it.

Do you agree/disagree? Have a different explanation? Thanks for reading.

Did they use Solider pills in the War Arc?

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chopstickchakra · Oct 6, 2015

itsxtrayy said:
Kakashi spamming all his jutsu in the war arc made a lot of people call BS. Obviously Kishi wanted Kakashi to fight most of the war, but his crap chakra reserves wouldn't allow it so the solution? Magically increase his reserves so now we have a "War arc Kakashi" which is BS because the war took place like 3 weeks after the pain invasion don't let the amount of chapters fool you, and i'm probably being generous it was actually more like a week no time to train or increase your reserves at all.

So lets take a look at Pain arc Kakashi's reserves, i'll show every single jutsu he used, and remember: pain didn't kill him he died because he exhausted all of his chakra.

Pain Arc Kakashi:

1 Earth Wall:

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5 Raikiri:

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1 Lightning Beast:

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1 Lightning Clone:

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1 Hiding Like A Mole:

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2 Kamui/Kakashi so depleted he dies:

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Kakashi used 11 jutsu and he was so drained he died, this is his limit about a week or two before the war arc, now lets compare this to war arc Kakashi before he ever gets any kyuubi refill.

War Arc Kakashi:

5 Raikiri:

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Kakashi is still fighting even though it's nightfall:

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1 shadow clone/Kakashi worried about his chakra:

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1 Lightning Chain:

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2 Raikiri Stream:

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5 Kamui:

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1 Earth Wall:

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I found a scan, Naruto got sent to the island 3 days after the kage summit and the war started that same day:

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15 jutsu, plus he fought the whole first day, and probably used moves off screen. And instead of twice he used kamui 5 TIMES in succession, but when he warped Sasuke's arrow four days earlier he was wobbling from 1 kamui:

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Kakashi should of died from chakra exhaustion after he warped himself out of Kamui dimension or when he was warping Naruto, actually, it should of been earlier since he fought for a whole day before he arrived.

Now, some people might say his chakra got replenished before he met up with Naruto but that doesn't matter because he still used 12 jutsu 5 of which were kamui and 1 shadow clone which splits chakra in half. The 5 kamui is the real problem tho. If 11 jutsu killed him a couple weeks ago, 12 should still do it.

Do you agree/disagree? Have a different explanation? Thanks for reading.

So he used a whole 4 more jutsu in the most dire situation in the manga and it's bs? Plus didn't Naruto heal and replenish his chakra in between some of those jutsu, you make it sound as if they were all non stop moves. Kakashi got to rest the first night that restored some of his chakra and Naruto gave him some so pulling off 4 more moves shouldn't be that big of a deal. Also the biggest flaw is assuming all the moves used the same amount of chakra, not every raikiri uses the same amount or percentage of chakra. Lastly Kamui'ing a giant indra arrow is probably equivalent or close to using kamui 5 times on human sized items or smaller.

Pukkake Pokayo · Oct 6, 2015

Didn't read. Everyone's chakra multiplied exponentially from that start of the series due to power scaling. Sasuke was initially capped at 2 chidori a day.

This only makes sense as increasing proficiency with a tech makes it easier and more cost efficient to use. Kakashi stated during Guy Vs Madara that he was losing the light in his eye.

LuckyMan · Oct 6, 2015

It's something called the War Arc inflation. Everyone got scaled up, that is all. It could also be from refined chakra control like the third hokage uses. It's chakra control so fine and precise that one can use a technique to its maximum power with the minimal chakra required to use it.

itsxtrayy · Oct 6, 2015

ninjarasengan said:
Did they use Solider pills in the War Arc?

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Nope that's kinda funny since no one ever uses them after they were introduced. Shit Sasuke could of used on of those after his fight with Itachi.

itsxtrayy · Oct 6, 2015

chopstickchakra said:
So he used a whole 4 more jutsu in the most dire situation in the manga and it's bs? Plus didn't Baruto heal and replenish his chakra in between some of those jutsu, you make it sound as if they were all non stop moves. Kakashi got to rest the first night that restored some of his chakra and Naruto gave him some so pulling off 4 more moves shouldn't be that big of a deal. Also the biggest flaw is assuming all the moves used the same amount of chakra, not every raikiri uses the same amount or percentage of chakra. Lastly Kamui'ing a giant indra arrow is probably equivalent or close to using kamui 5 times on human sized items or smaller.

No, he didn't get healed at all, it took me hours to make this and i went through every page of every chapter from the wars beginning. and those four more jutsu aren't earth walls, they're KAMUI which drains him more because he's not an Uchiha. And I already said he used 12 jutsu when he met up with Naruto when 11 killed him last time and FIVE of them were kamui as compared to two last time. So yes it is BS

itsxtrayy · Oct 6, 2015

Pokayo said:
Didn't read. Everyone's chakra multiplied exponentially from that start of the series due to power scaling. Sasuke was initially capped at 2 chidori a day.

This only makes sense as increasing proficiency with a tech makes it easier and more cost efficient to use. Kakashi stated during Guy Vs Madara that he was losing the light in his eye.

Dude, no ones chakra should make any noticeable increases in the week from the pain arc to the war arc at least not under normal circumstance's. How much better did kakashi get in a week?

You're comparing 12 year old Sasuke to 16/17 year old Sasuke who was still growing as a ninja Kakashi in the war arc is 31 years old he's at his prime.

YellowFang · Oct 6, 2015

Yep, it was rather unbelievable that Kakashi managed such magnitude of Jutsu usage...(Bad writing)

But he really isn't that low on chakra...

itsxtrayy · Oct 6, 2015

LuckyMan said:
It's something called the War Arc inflation. Everyone got scaled up, that is all. It could also be from refined chakra control like the third hokage uses. It's chakra control so fine and precise that one can use a technique to its maximum power with the minimal chakra required to use it.

So Kakashi magically perfected his chakra control in the week from the pain arc to the kage summit with no mention of him doing this anywhere in the story? Ok.

itsxtrayy · Oct 6, 2015

YellowFang said:
Yep, it was rather unbelievable that Kakashi managed such magnitude of Jutsu usage...(Bad writing)

But he really isn't that low on chakra...

Kakashi was never meant to be a chakra beast he could only make 4 raikiri in part 1. And I showed you what his absolute limit was in the pain arc since he died. That limit should remain.

Nick01 · Oct 6, 2015

Pokayo said:
Didn't read. Everyone's chakra multiplied exponentially from that start of the series due to power scaling. Sasuke was initially capped at 2 chidori a day.

This only makes sense as increasing proficiency with a tech makes it easier and more cost efficient to use. Kakashi stated during Guy Vs Madara that he was losing the light in his eye.

This.

itsxtrayy · Oct 6, 2015

Nick01 said:
This.

Please explain to me how Kakashi increased his proficiency with all his techniques in the 3 days from the Kage summit to the start of the war.

Itachi Edo · Oct 6, 2015

itsxtrayy said:
Kakashi spamming all his jutsu in the war arc made a lot of people call BS. Obviously Kishi wanted Kakashi to fight most of the war, but his crap chakra reserves wouldn't allow it so the solution? Magically increase his reserves so now we have a "War arc Kakashi" which is BS because the war took place like 3 weeks after the pain invasion don't let the amount of chapters fool you, and i'm probably being generous it was actually more like a week no time to train or increase your reserves at all.

So lets take a look at Pain arc Kakashi's reserves, i'll show every single jutsu he used, and remember: pain didn't kill him he died because he exhausted all of his chakra.

Pain Arc Kakashi:

1 Earth Wall:

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5 Raikiri:

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1 Lightning Beast:

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1 Lightning Clone:

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1 Hiding Like A Mole:

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2 Kamui/Kakashi so depleted he dies:

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Kakashi used 11 jutsu and he was so drained he died, this is his limit about a week or two before the war arc, now lets compare this to war arc Kakashi before he ever gets any kyuubi refill.

War Arc Kakashi:

5 Raikiri:

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Kakashi is still fighting even though it's nightfall:

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1 shadow clone/Kakashi worried about his chakra:

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1 Lightning Chain:

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2 Raikiri Stream:

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5 Kamui:

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1 Earth Wall:

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I found a scan, Naruto got sent to the island 3 days after the kage summit and the war started that same day:

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15 jutsu, plus he fought the whole first day, and probably used moves off screen. And instead of twice he used kamui 5 TIMES in succession, but when he warped Sasuke's arrow four days earlier he was wobbling from 1 kamui:

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Kakashi should of died from chakra exhaustion after he warped himself out of Kamui dimension or when he was warping Naruto, actually, it should of been earlier since he fought for a whole day before he arrived.

Now, some people might say his chakra got replenished before he met up with Naruto but that doesn't matter because he still used 12 jutsu 5 of which were kamui and 1 shadow clone which splits chakra in half. The 5 kamui is the real problem tho. If 11 jutsu killed him a couple weeks ago, 12 should still do it.

Do you agree/disagree? Have a different explanation? Thanks for reading.

Kakashi is really a Saiyan and got a Zenkai boost after the Pain fight!

Pukkake Pokayo · Oct 6, 2015

itsxtrayy said:
Dude, no ones chakra should make any noticeable increases in the week from the pain arc to the war arc at least not under normal circumstance's. How much better did kakashi get in a week?

You're comparing 12 year old Sasuke to 16/17 year old Sasuke who was still growing as a ninja Kakashi in the war arc is 31 years old he's at his prime.

You know how much better he got in a week because you've seen it. Why are you asking me? Lol I just stated facts. How powerful did anyone get any time they got a power-up? How long did Naruto train for SM? How long did Sasuke have MS before he could use amaterasu/susano?

I'm comparing part 1 characters to part 2. Kakashi's limi was 4 when Sasuke's was 2 I think and he was a grown ass man. You obviously get more proficient with techd the more you practice. I don't see the problem here. How many times did he spam kamui in the war ar ? How many of those were on target and keep in mind he had kyuubi chakra and other factors.

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