[VS] Konan vs Tsunade

[Kages]

This is still going on?Lmao I thought it was clear that Tsunade >> Konan, lol. :heh: By the way everyone, I'm only visiting. So stop fanboying over me and don't get too excited

 

[BenjerminGaye]

This is still going on?Lmao I thought it was clear that Tsunade >> Konan, lol. :heh: By the way everyone, I'm only visiting. So stop fanboying over me and don't get too excited

Who are u?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

All im saying is all that time doesn't actually refer to an amount of time. you're just assuming what she meant.

So your saying all doesn't mean all...

Yeah I think it's time to log off.

 

[Curse Mark]

So your saying all doesn't mean all...

Yeah I think it's time to log off.

Smh yeah i think you should log off.

"all THAT TIME"

She did not specify how long THAT TIME was.
She could have said THAT TIME and meant years or she could have said THAT TIME and meant days.
It is not up for us to decide. You tried tho

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Smh yeah i think you should log off.

"all THAT TIME"

She did not specify how long THAT TIME was.
She could have said THAT TIME and meant years or she could have said THAT TIME and meant days.
It is not up for us to decide. You tried tho

Except the context has already been established many times during the fight. The beginning of the akatsuki. So yeah. Don't bs me.

 

[Icelerate]

First of all it shouldn't be easy for Konan to land her paper on Byakugou activated Tsunade, who should be faster then Jiraiya, who cannonically avoided Konans attacks. That and the fact that Tsunade should be able to blow them away, along with Konan, by striking the ground. So it's not going to be that easy. Two, I have no reason to believe that Konans paper carry this much penetrative force. Ordinary shuriken certainly do not, so when Konans paper make contact with Tsunades body, it'll cut her skin, but that's about it. Eventually, it'll just push her backwards rather then completley piercing through her body (Byakugou would instantly be resealing her wounds); allowing Tsunade to pick them off one by one, and destroying them. Third, Konan has never displayed such versatility with controlling her paper as Gaara has with his sand. Instead of changing the trajectory of her proctiles to follow Jiraiya, it ran into the ground, and was never used again [

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]. Way too much fan fiction here.

1. Konan's paper are much faster than Shino's bugs which even Kakashi, who is faster than Tsunade, deemed unavoidable. Obito was trying to dodge Shino's bugs but ended up getting swarmed after a few seconds (

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). On the other hand, Obito got swarmed by Konan nigh instantly (

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). Obito knew Konan had something up her sleeve so I don't see why he'd just let himself get surrounded. Just in case you dispute Konan's feat against Obito by claiming he meant to get surrounded so that he could warp her away, well bare in mind that Konan has some other feats to prove her paper travels faster than Shino's bugs.

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is greater than Shino's scale of control over bugs by far. Furthermore, her paper travels faster than Hebi Sasuke's shunshin considering

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. On the other hand, base Jiraiya had to roll out of the way instead of cleanly move out of the way. While it is true that punching the ground can keep the paper at bay, eventually Tsunade will be caught off guard by the various stealth tactics Konan can employ by utilizing the

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. Then once even one piece of paper disguised as leaves gets near Tsunade, Konan can multiply it engulfing Tsunade and then

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where she'll be helpless.

2. They pierced several centimetres into the ground. Ordinary shuriken can't even leave an impact on the ground. Konan's far superior chakram, after restraining Tsunade and preventing her from moving backwards, should be able to bisect her.

3. After the projectiles ran into the ground, Jiraiya ended up dousing her with oil so Konan didn't have time to reuse them again. Konan has already shown to control her paper movements in whatever direction she wants such as when she used the to

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or when she

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to get to Jiraiya's location. All in all, she isn't restricted to one directional attacks. Your argument based on one scenario is like saying Gaara can't change the direction of his sand attacks just because he didn't do so while utilising

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.

Sorry for the massive wall of text but the fact that you claimed I'm writing fanfiction makes me want to throw as many manga scans as I can muster.

 

[Apêx1]

What about when sakura used it? handsigns?

Not sure, no care. Tsunade needed it though, which is all that matters.

 

[Dannie]

Going with Goddess Konan.

 

[Curse Mark]

Not sure, no care. Tsunade needed it though, which is all that matters.

If she did it would just backup the claim.
It kind of does matter since it's the samee tech and she probably does use handsigns

Except the context has already been established many times during the fight. The beginning of the akatsuki. So yeah. Don't bs me.

You're the one BSing. The time was never established.

 

[Apêx1]

If she did it would just backup the claim.
It kind of does matter since it's the samee tech and she probably does use handsigns



You're the one BSing. The time was never established.

No, it doesn't matter what Sakura did. I literally showed you Tsunade using it right before Byakugo and then the very next panel Byakugo was activated. That's ALL there is to it. I don't need a single extra shred of evidence, this topic is done and Tsunade needs hand signs fam.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

You must have forgotten your glasses. Maybe I'll post it in a spoiler (THAT WAS IN YOUR LINKS) so that it's easier for you to see

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Thus she cannot do what you are saying at all.

Before I repy to the rest... Please point out to me where she uses hand seals. Nowhere in that scan did that occur. Activating the Byakugou seal requires no hand seals. It didn't require it back in part one [

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], it didn't require it in the scan you highlighted, and it didn't require hand seals for Sakura to activate the seal either [

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]-[

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]. The single and only time it has shown to require hand seals, is when the Byakugou seal was completely released in using

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. That's literally it. Activating it, and actively using it, has no such requirement.

1. Konan's paper are much faster than Shino's bugs which even Kakashi, who is faster than Tsunade, deemed unavoidable. Obito was trying to dodge Shino's bugs but ended up getting swarmed after a few seconds (

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)(

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). On the other hand, Obito got swarmed by Konan nigh instantly (

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)(

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). Obito knew Konan had something up her sleeve so I don't see why he'd just let himself get surrounded. Just in case you dispute Konan's feat against Obito by claiming he meant to get surrounded so that he could warp her away, well bare in mind that Konan has some other feats to prove her paper travels faster than Shino's bugs.

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is greater than Shino's scale of control over bugs by far. Furthermore, her paper travels faster than Hebi Sasuke's shunshin considering

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. On the other hand, base Jiraiya had to roll out of the way instead of cleanly move out of the way. While it is true that punching the ground can keep the paper at bay, eventually Tsunade will be caught off guard by the various stealth tactics Konan can employ by utilizing the

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. Then once even one piece of paper disguised as leaves gets near Tsunade, Konan can multiply it engulfing Tsunade and then

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where she'll be helpless.

2. They pierced several centimetres into the ground. Ordinary shuriken can't even leave an impact on the ground. Konan's far superior chakram, after restraining Tsunade and preventing her from moving backwards, should be able to bisect her.

3. After the projectiles ran into the ground, Jiraiya ended up dousing her with oil so Konan didn't have time to reuse them again. Konan has already shown to control her paper movements in whatever direction she wants such as when she used the to

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, to

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or when she

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to get to Jiraiya's location. All in all, she isn't restricted to one directional attacks. Your argument based on one scenario is like saying Gaara can't change the direction of his sand attacks just because he didn't do so while utilising

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.

Sorry for the massive wall of text but the fact that you claimed I'm writing fanfiction makes me want to throw as many manga scans as I can muster.

1. I'm sure her paper projectiles do travel faster then Shino's bugs... I'm not going to dispute that. It's not the exact same thing, but Shino has shown to command insects by thousands simultaneously. Konan has not done so to my knowledge. And your comparison between Sasuke and Deidara with Konan and Jiraiya should not be made... It's not even slightly comparable. Two different attacks, different angles of attack, different distances; and Jiraiya and Deidara don't have identical speed, reaction, and mindset to counter in the same manner, etc. That's a horrible comparison. Okay... and assuming Tsunade get's engulfed by paper, she simply cuts her way out with chakra scalpel or summons Katsuyu. Lifting her off the ground accomplishes nothing. And I highly doubt the paper "multiplies", judging by how she manifested the paper chakram, and how it dissapeared after she got hit, it seems like she creates them individually with her chakra. In other words, she can't just send off a single piece of paper at someone, and boom there's hundreds of them out of nowhere.

2. Show me the scan where this occured please. Again... Why do you and Apex keep on insisting that after Tsunade get's engulfed with paper, she just sits and does absolutely nothing, and allows Konan the window to create the paper chakram..? I really don't understand this logic. She should very easily and quickly be capable of countering the paper during the process of being engulfed by smashing the ground, and also chakra scalping herself free in the scenerio that she does get completely engulfed. And then even if, she gets bisected, then she would simply summons Katsuyu to heal her, per cannon.... Like what is all this?

3. How does this eliminate the use of paper that hasn't been in contact with oil? Never did I say she was restricted to one directional attacks. You wanted to compare her manipulation of paper to Shinos insects and Gaaras sand - both of which, would of been used in a manner to immediately follow Jiraiyas direction, rather then just running straight into the ground, and giving Jiraiya that opening. Hence my point, her paper manipulation isn't that versatile. They have never shown to travel at full speed, then immediately change direction like the attacks you're trying to compare it to. And your counter example doesn't work, because Gaaras sand actually hit it's target.

You're claiming that Konan can get her paper to penetrate into an opponents body, stops and controls their movement, then kills them from the inside. Of course I'm going to claim this is nothing but fan-fiction, there is nothing in the manga or databook that supports this. Furthermore, this is IC Konan, who never has shown to attempt anything even remotely close to something like this.

Edit: And to add to that, Gaara can control megatons of sand, which more then warrants his feat of stopping SM Madaras movements. That is not to say that Konan can somehow control people too, nevermind Tsunade. Assuming she can even accomplish this feat in the first place.

 

[Curse Mark]

No, it doesn't matter what Sakura did. I literally showed you Tsunade using it right before Byakugo and then the very next panel Byakugo was activated. That's ALL there is to it. I don't need a single extra shred of evidence, this topic is done and Tsunade needs hand signs fam.

Bruh why you acting like i'm trying to deconstruct your argument i was just trying to make it more concrete.

 

[Apêx1]

Before I repy to the rest... Please point out to me where she uses hand seals. Nowhere in that scan did that occur. Activating the Byakugou seal requires no hand seals. It didn't require it back in part one [

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], it didn't require it in the scan you highlighted, and it didn't require hand seals for Sakura to activate the seal either [

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]-[

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]. The single and only time it has shown to require hand seals, is when the Byakugou seal was completely released in using

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. That's literally it. Activating it, and actively using it, has no such requirement.

Are you actually acting like she doesn't use hand seals here or did you miss it again? Top left panel in the green circle.

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I could be wrong here though, this might be an inconsistency. My knowledge on Tsunade's techs is not too extensive.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If she did it would just backup the claim.
It kind of does matter since it's the samee tech and she probably does use handsigns



You're the one BSing. The time was never established.

I just told you what the timeframe. Was.
The flashback to the beginning of akatsuki, obito constantly calling her a founding member, and berating her for being weaker than nagato, her snapping back with the sentence in question.

Re read the two chapters bud.

 

[Beans2]

Furthermore, her paper travels faster than Hebi Sasuke's shunshin considering

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. On the other hand, base Jiraiya had to roll out of the way instead of cleanly move out of the way.

I can't say I agree with this, because

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therefore it's safe to assume he was planning to douse her with oil from the very beginning. Because of that, he decided to roll out of the way (effectively sidestepping the attack) so he could put himself in a position that allowed him to blitz her with oil, instead of using shunshin to evade because that would put too much distance between himself and Konan (because she would dodge his oil if he attacked from a greater distance.)

 

[Curse Mark]

There's no room for interpretation here. I went back and reread, like you suggested.
Konan explains she betrayed Obito because of Naruto. Naruto is light personified and Obito is the darkness.

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[Zexion~]

Furthermore, her paper travels faster than Hebi Sasuke's shunshin considering Deidara was still on his two feet after hopping out of the way. On the other hand, base Jiraiya had to roll out of the way instead of cleanly move out of the way.

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[Lord Tywin]

This thread should have been a battle of breasts.
but to say Konan can stop Tsunade's movement is like saying konam can stop the movement of gamabunta.

 

[Bogard]

I don't think Tsunade can stop breathing during 10minutes straight. Even if she uses katsuyu as a protection(assuming she even gets the time to summon and do everything), she would have to allow herself to be concealed by katsuyu during the moment the paper ocean jutsu last

 

[Curse Mark]

I don't think Tsunade can stop breathing during 10minutes straight. Even if she uses katsuyu as a protection(assuming she even gets the time to summon and do everything), she would have to allow herself to be concealed by katsuyu during the moment the paper ocean jutsu last

Katsuyu would be blown apart like when manda tried to snack on her, leaving tsunade in the open