[Discussion] African/African American slavery...lets talk it.

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The topic of slavery is so taboo in today's society, yet we can't seem to establish equality nowadays. This site being worldwide platform to many different individuals, I'll find it interesting to view your pertake of slavery was/is.

The guidelines to consider when answering this:
1) how was it taught in my household
2) how was it taught in my school
3) how was it portrayed.

Also, not need to attack one anther based off their perspectives. Most of rarely intelligent on here, so we should be able to discuss this matter without flaming.
 

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I never cared about it too much tbh. :| The past is in the past.

When on TV it was portrayed as cruel. Slave owners would force slaves to work in harsh conditions, beat them whenever they felt like it, rape their women, and even mame the slave when they tried to run away.

Slaves were seen as an existence even lower than animals, and the sad part about it is that some of the black ppl in Africa actually sold their fellow countrymen into these conditions.

Even after being emancipated blacks were still terrorized, raped, and lynched.
 
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If you want to discuss African/African-American Slavery .... you need to look back to the earliest example of it: The Egyptian and the Roman/Greek Civilization (I think Mayans and native Americans too had a Slave System but I am not well read in that). Then it would make more sense. Oddly, from Huns to the Vikings the people of the earlier age seem to think that Slavery was a quite natural thing.
 

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1) how was it taught in my household: Slaves were property and considered a lower life form to be raped, mutilated, sold-off or killed. It is part of the reason why african Americans today are in such a bad position.

2) how was it taught in my school: Slaves were property and Abraham Lincoln freed them. Harriet tubman

3) how was it portrayed: Violent, inhumane, with long lasting side effects.
 

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well in my country we dont talk about slaves coz back in early times spanish envaders ruled our country... but we just forget about it its in the past... like no shet.... i just dont see why africans or american african whatever you call it get offended easyly when someone says the n word to them, like seriously moveon... its cool to be proud to your heritage or something but past is past
 

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If you want to discuss African/African-American Slavery .... you need to look back to the earliest example of it: The Egyptian and the Roman/Greek Civilization (I think Mayans and native Americans too had a Slave System but I am not well read in that). Then it would make more sense. Oddly, from Huns to the Vikings the people of the earlier age seem to think that Slavery was a quite natural thing.

Greater understanding of what exactly?
 

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well in my country we dont talk about slaves coz back in early times spanish envaders ruled our country... but we just forget about it its in the past... like no shet.... i just dont see why africans or american african whatever you call it get offended easyly when someone says the n word to them, like seriously moveon... its cool to be proud to your heritage or something but past is past

Probably becuz there r still racist ppl today and those conditions of being killed, raped, abused, looked down on, treated like trash, and not even being allowed to have a say in their own country didn't really end that long ago. In fact some of those racial attitudes still exist in the southern states

Also as far as being proud of your heritage. For black history in America remembering that history goes hand in hand with remembering the suffering that blacks endured. Personally I think ppl should just be grateful and move forward
 
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well in my country we dont talk about slaves coz back in early times spanish envaders ruled our country... but we just forget about it its in the past... like no shet.... i just dont see why africans or american african whatever you call it get offended easyly when someone says the n word to them, like seriously moveon... its cool to be proud to your heritage or something but past is past

So you don't see why someone would be upset that they've been called a term derogatory to their race with its roots in the suffering of said race?
 

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They don't teach it how they should in schools and they probably never will. I had to do a project recently looking at different US events from a money perspective.

But US slavery, as bad as it was, was inevitable. The truth is that within the group of British settlers that came to America, there were some real, self-entitled "brats" among them, with real dark sides. The worst of the worst from Britain. These were some of the most hypocritical people in our history. The mindset they had carried on throughout history (mostly in the south) and revealed itself in various events, including slavery, through the the expansion of American capitalism.

The sad thing is that slavery wasn't just simply about hatred. It was about cheating the labor markets and maximizing profits. The racism was just icing on the cake.

Our history is kind of funny you know. Especially looking at how things are today too.

Example our immigration problem. A lot of us are very restrictive when it comes to access to our country, too bad Mexico didn't feel the same way when they allowed American settlers to share land, they might have more land than they do.The first immigrant contact between them was actually Americans settling into Mexico, which Mexico allowed them to do right after gaining their independence. Even gave them citizenship. But we refused to learn their language (funny how we make them learn English here though right), adapt to their culture, and even to sell from their ports. We did pick up Catholicism from them (though we don't give them credit in our history books). And to think Mexico was even willing to allow us to keep our slaves despite it being illegal. Just bending all the rules for us. Similar to what the Native Americans did when they tried to share land with us too only to be taken advantage of via"manifest destiny" (self-entitlement).

Fast forward after taking the land, we assimilate the Mexicans into our culture (what we refused to do), made their women learn to cook, clean, sew, etc (thus the mexican maid stereotype, remember "Consuela" from Family Guy?) and take what property they did own when it was still Mexican territory. But the biggest thing we did was allow the men to come work in agriculture, mostly cotton farming. Thus we suddenly had a bunch of Mexicans in the country, and this was fine as long we were getting cheap labor out of it.

But then we messed up our economy and the Great Depression hit. Suddenly, Mexicans are taking our jobs (sound familiar?) and immigration became a problem. We started deporting them. Until we had a war to fight and needed cheap labor for infrastructure while our men went and fought, so we brought them back, until we didn't need them, them we tried to kick them out again, and the rest is err....history.

And it doesn't stop there. But it always comes back to greed, self-entitlement, and capitalism. And from the first settlers right on through the days of the south, you can see the similarities. It wasn't all, but just like today, some white people are worse than others when it comes to minorities. Just how it's always been historically. But thank god they aren't as bad as the ones from history. They were the real OGs lol. Basically took your shit and called it freedom haha.
 
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Taught in my household: An awful practice that involved the capture, selling and transportation of slaves across the atlantic

Taught in my school: same as the above.

How it is portrayed: It is portrayed as a horrible system which is done predominately by 'white European' individuals. It also heavily exaggerates the number of slaves and the capacity of slave owners, as well as the lack of involvement of certain Africans and Jews in the trade.
 

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They don't teach it how they should in schools and they probably never will. I had to do a project recently looking at different US events from a money perspective.

But US slavery, as bad as it was, was inevitable. The truth is that within the group of British settlers that came to America, there were some real, self-entitled "brats" among them, with real dark sides. The worst of the worst from Britain. These were some of the most hypocritical people in our history. The mindset they had carried on throughout history (mostly in the south) and revealed itself in various events, including slavery, through the the expansion of American capitalism.

The sad thing is that slavery wasn't just simply about hatred. It was about cheating the labor markets and maximizing profits. The racism was just icing on the cake.

Our history is kind of funny you know. Especially looking at how things are today too.

Example our immigration problem. A lot of us are very restrictive when it comes to access to our country, too bad Mexico didn't feel the same way when they allowed American settlers to share land, they might have more land than they do.The first immigrant contact between them was actually Americans settling into Mexico, which Mexico allowed them to do right after gaining their independence. Even gave them citizenship. But we refused to learn their language (funny how we make them learn English here though right), adapt to their culture, and even to sell from their ports. We did pick up Catholicism from them (though we don't give them credit in our history books). And to think Mexico was even willing to allow us to keep our slaves despite it being illegal. Just bending all the rules for us. Similar to what the Native Americans did when they tried to share land with us too only to be taken advantage of via"manifest destiny" (self-entitlement).

Fast forward after taking the land, we assimilate the Mexicans into our culture (what we refused to do), made their women learn to cook, clean, sew, etc (thus the mexican maid stereotype, remember "Consuela" from Family Guy?) and take what property they did own when it was still Mexican territory. But the biggest thing we did was allow the men to come work in agriculture, mostly cotton farming. Thus we suddenly had a bunch of Mexicans in the country, and this was fine as long we were getting cheap labor out of it.

But then we messed up our economy and the Great Depression hit. Suddenly, Mexicans are taking our jobs (sound familiar?) and immigration became a problem. We started deporting them. Until we had a war to fight and needed cheap labor for infrastructure while our men went and fought, so we brought them back, until we didn't need them, them we tried to kick them out again, and the rest is err....history.

And it doesn't stop there. But it always comes back to greed, self-entitlement, and capitalism. And from the first settlers right on through the days of the south, you can see the similarities. It wasn't all, but just like today, some white people are worse than others when it comes to minorities. Just how it's always been historically. But thank god they aren't as bad as the ones from history. They were the real OGs lol. Basically took your shit and called it freedom haha.

Knowledge!

I always do enjoy learning more about history :lol
 

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1) how was it taught in my household: It wasn't taught in my house hold because my internal family for the most part are mental slaves like the average African in America or over parts of the World were programmed to be.
2) how was it taught in my school: Whites enslaved our grandparents but it's ok because Martin Luther King fought for us to be able to be able to be next to them. That even though they enslaved us we should let them rape us and program our sons to be gay and take our fathers away either by way of incarceration or death or ecstasy.
3) how was it portrayed. It's portrayed that we are and inferior people but for some reason our ancestors are studied to such a degree that it's been made a profession and a COLLEGE curriculum. And that even tho Arabs and Moors captured our people as far as the Horn of Ethiopia and traded them to Europeans just to be acknowledged by them as a peer of the World, white people say we were only captured from the west coast in attempts to make us feel puny. It's portrayed that slave ascendents should get Vengeance instead of trying to be apart.
 

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1 Household: We really don't speak of it much, but when it's brought up it pretty just
them saying the White Man locked us up without much else.

2 School: Pretty much says they were treated cruelly, and the south had a large need
for slaves if they wanted to make big money. That the effects of it still is crystal clear(segregation)
seeing that there's 2 schools in my town, yet both respectively are practically 98% black/white with a
handful of other races sprinkled in.

3 Portrayed: It's portrayed that slavery existed because one race though it was superior to another.
 

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1. I watched roots at a really young age so it wasn't discussed much in my household

2. In school its not taught correctly from elementary to hs a lot of times the word "slave" isn't even used..words like "workers" and "servants" are used as substitutes. Quite disturbing from a young black kids perspective, mines at least. And they kind of breeze through the topic and you hear almost nothing about it again until the civil rights movement.

3. Portrayed where exactly? In this country we get films and shows that touch on it so I guess it's portrayed accurately in some instances.
 

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2) how was it taught in my school: Whites enslaved our grandparents but it's ok because Martin Luther King fought for us to be able to be able to be next to them. That even though they enslaved us we should let them rape us and program our sons to be gay and take our fathers away either by way of incarceration or death or ecstasy.
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In school I was taught Africans were forced here against there will, violated in every way imaginable, and separated. Then in due time slavery is declared unconstitutional and we were free™ but still spat on and violated. Then a man of peace comes along, and solves everything through peace and everything is good now. Is what I was taught.

I was never taught anything about it in my household.

side note: I hold a bitter grudge, but I'm never vocal about it unless I need to be. This numbs my reaction to certain things that I hear in the news about things happening to people. I'm reminded of this by my skin tone as well... I wish I was darker, even just a bit. I don't really like being light skinned.
 
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What's to talk about? White people will stop at nothing to white wash it and pretend that nothing wrong was done.
 

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Household: We are not American so we do not get taught about slavery existed there. From what i recalled in my childhood if there were black people in movies it was about past and civil rights movements but movies about pretty much any other themes (romance, sci-fci, fantasy, action etc.) were strikingly consisting of white people. I usually asked to my parents about black people in USA and they told me they were slaves or could not vote not so long ago and my father (who have been in USA like 20-30 years ago) told that them being seperate for the most part. Slavery was taught obviously in a bad light and in somebof those "West is not civilized as they make themselves look like" speeches.

School: Again i am not American so our history is not about them. We did not get taught about them in school but when it comes to out story they have a tendency to sugarcoat Ottoman Empire's doings.

Portrayted: Goes back to point 1 since i get to introduced to topic by movies and other media.


Side note: Saying "blacks sold their own people" is about accurate as "whites killed their own fellow whites" for Holocaust. Africa is the second biggest continent with numerous ethnicities and history which included conflicts between people. They had these issues but this does not justify interfering with them and tearing them apart. Saying "savages be thamed" for every occasion when supposedely superior civilizations get entitled to entirity of those people is getting old, it is irksome. It is very similar to native Americans being portrayted as savages and Middle Easterns being shown as backward sand dwellers to justify and whitewash interferences people made solely for their self entitled benefits.
 

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They don't teach it how they should in schools and they probably never will. I had to do a project recently looking at different US events from a money perspective.

But US slavery, as bad as it was, was inevitable. The truth is that within the group of British settlers that came to America, there were some real, self-entitled "brats" among them, with real dark sides. The worst of the worst from Britain. These were some of the most hypocritical people in our history. The mindset they had carried on throughout history (mostly in the south) and revealed itself in various events, including slavery, through the the expansion of American capitalism.

The sad thing is that slavery wasn't just simply about hatred. It was about cheating the labor markets and maximizing profits. The racism was just icing on the cake.

Our history is kind of funny you know. Especially looking at how things are today too.

Example our immigration problem. A lot of us are very restrictive when it comes to access to our country, too bad Mexico didn't feel the same way when they allowed American settlers to share land, they might have more land than they do.The first immigrant contact between them was actually Americans settling into Mexico, which Mexico allowed them to do right after gaining their independence. Even gave them citizenship. But we refused to learn their language (funny how we make them learn English here though right), adapt to their culture, and even to sell from their ports. We did pick up Catholicism from them (though we don't give them credit in our history books). And to think Mexico was even willing to allow us to keep our slaves despite it being illegal. Just bending all the rules for us. Similar to what the Native Americans did when they tried to share land with us too only to be taken advantage of via"manifest destiny" (self-entitlement).

Fast forward after taking the land, we assimilate the Mexicans into our culture (what we refused to do), made their women learn to cook, clean, sew, etc (thus the mexican maid stereotype, remember "Consuela" from Family Guy?) and take what property they did own when it was still Mexican territory. But the biggest thing we did was allow the men to come work in agriculture, mostly cotton farming. Thus we suddenly had a bunch of Mexicans in the country, and this was fine as long we were getting cheap labor out of it.

But then we messed up our economy and the Great Depression hit. Suddenly, Mexicans are taking our jobs (sound familiar?) and immigration became a problem. We started deporting them. Until we had a war to fight and needed cheap labor for infrastructure while our men went and fought, so we brought them back, until we didn't need them, them we tried to kick them out again, and the rest is err....history.

And it doesn't stop there. But it always comes back to greed, self-entitlement, and capitalism. And from the first settlers right on through the days of the south, you can see the similarities. It wasn't all, but just like today, some white people are worse than others when it comes to minorities. Just how it's always been historically. But thank god they aren't as bad as the ones from history. They were the real OGs lol. Basically took your shit and called it freedom haha.
That's right. Paint the white man evil and every other race innocent. Yeah ok dog
 

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That's right. Paint the white man evil and every other race innocent. Yeah ok dog

You would be the one to get offended by history.

It wasn't all, but just like today, some white people are worse than others when it comes to minorities.

The truth is that within the group of British settlers that came to America, there were some real, self-entitled "brats" among them, with real dark sides.

Two quotes showing how careful I was not to generalize and stereotype all white people, either in past or present, based on these historical events and their similarities.

But I understand, you're more comfortable talking about the negative aspects of other races, not your own, so if it'll make you feel better we can talk about the dark sides of other races from history
 
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