Naruto talks crap

[MonkeyDNaruto]

Remember in part 1 when Naruto and Neji fought about destiny, and how Neji said your destiny is decided the moment your born and how Naruto was against it. That was a load of bullshit lol

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Everyone knows Neji was right, ever since the whole Prophecy thing came to light.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

He chose to do what he did.

Plus it doesn't matter. Hinata still negs him & and it was all due to Kishi's pen.

 

[6thHokage]

Neji was right

 

[Avani]

Remember in part 1 when Naruto and Neji fought about destiny, and how Neji said your destiny is decided the moment your born and how Naruto was against it. That was a load of bullshit lol

At another board someone explained it very well:

" Argument between Naruto and Neji isn't about existence or non existence of destiny. Neji argues that there is no reason to fight your lot in life because you are destined to stay where you are. Neji's argument isn't 'well your choices are destiny too'.

Naruto at no point ever says that destiny does not exist. He says "you should fight destiny", which in turn can be translated 'you should fight what you perceive to be the way of things and the way things will be in the future'."

Neji claimed to see the destiny of Naruto. And he couldn't be more wrong. What he perceived the definition and chain of event set by destiny was miles off. He was the one caught by surprise by the result of the battle that he claimed he knew beforehand.

Moral is- Destiny may or may not have set things for you - unless you make conscious efforts to improve things for yourself and not give up, you are the one writing a loser's destiny for yourself.

Neji could die as an angry and bitter defeatist. Or he could die as a dear friend and cousin laying his life in line of duty in a battle and protecting fellow comrades, who were also a friend and a cousin.

 

[Wparker6804]

At some board someone explained very well:

Argument between Naruto and Neji wasn't about existence of destiny. Neji argued that there was no reason to fight your lot in life because you were destined to stay where you were. Neji's didn't consider argue whether your choice too are destiny or not.

Naruto at no point ever said that destiny does not exist. He said "you should fight destiny", which in turn can be translated "you should fight what you perceive to be the way of things and the way things will be in the future".

If I'm on spot then I agree
Neji was angry & stuck in his ways--in his family's ways & the ways they stuck him in.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Funny cuz even though he tried to fight destiny after fighting Naruto in the Chuunin exams. The Hyuuga still had a branch family and he still had his curse mark until he died.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

At some board someone explained very well:

" Argument between Naruto and Neji wasn't about existence or non existence of destiny. Neji argued that there was no reason to fight your lot in life because you were destined to stay where you were. Neji's argument isn't 'well your choices are destiny too'.

Naruto at no point ever said that destiny does not exist. He said "you should fight destiny", which in turn can be translated 'you should fight what you perceive to be the way of things and the way things will be in the future'."

Neji claimed to see the destiny of Hinata and Naruto. And he couldn't be more wrong. What he perceived the definition and chain of event set by destiny was miles off.

Moral is- Destiny may or may not have set things for you - unless you do not make conscious efforts to improve things for yourself and give up, you are the one writing a loser's destiny for yourself.

Neji could die as an angry bitter defeatist. Or he died as a dear friend and cousin laying his life in line of duty in a battle and protecting a friend and a cousin.

Yeah, i pretty much said this against those with low reading comprehension each time this topic was brought up. Except I explained with more detail.

Anyway, good post.

 

[Avani]

Funny cuz even though he tried to fight destiny after fighting Naruto in the Chuunin exams. The Hyuuga still had a branch family and he still had his curse mark until he died.

That was his past baggage not future destiny. Of course it would stay. Fighting destiny won't change your parentage or background or erase past events in your life. But it can decide whether you live like a successful person or a failure.

Once Neji's outlook changed quality of his remaining life improved. He got a connection back to his family and was at peace and happier. He didn't die a loser- nor as a hateful person who would get only hate and pity at best in return. Instead he earned respect and a loving memory because of making a different choices of terms of living his life.

Also:

"The concept of destiny in Naruto is fluid and changes frequently based on crucial decisions, just like the prophecy with Jiraiya and his students."

Nagato, Minato and Naruto all three had potentials to become the destined one. First two were even more talented but they made choices which lead away from that path.

And from Transformer-

"The question that once haunted my being has been answered. The future is not fixed, and my choices are my own. And yet, how ironic... for I now find that I have no choice at all! I am a warrior... let the battle be joined."

-Dinobot

All credit for all three quotes to the site Gamefaqs.

Yes I'm being lazy not to make effort to use my own words. But I found the replies interesting and relevant and spot on.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

That was his past baggage not future destiny. Of course it would stay. Fighting destiny won't change your parentage or background or erase past events in your life. But it can decide whether you live like a successful person or a failure.

Once his outlook changed quality of his remaining life improved. He got a connection back to his family and was at peace and happier. He didn't die a loser- nor as a hateful person who would get only hate and pity at best in return. He earned respect and a loving memory.

Also:

"The concept of destiny in Naruto is fluid and changes frequently based on crucial decisions, just like the prophecy with Jiraiya and his students."

Nagato, Minato and Naruto all three had potentials to become the destined one. First two were even more talented but they made choices which lead away from that path.

And from Transformer-

"The question that once haunted my being has been answered. The future is not fixed, and my choices are my own. And yet, how ironic... for I now find that I have no choice at all! I am a warrior... let the battle be joined."

-Dinobot

All credit for all three quotes to the site Gamefaqs.

Yes I'm being lazy not to make effort to use my own words. But I found the replies interesting and relevant and spot on.

Lol but usually in these things if you fight hard enough like Naruto or Guy, you can overcome the impossible. Neji, Naruto and Hinata could've reformed the Hyuuga and undid the branch seals but Neji will never see that promise beimg fulfilled. He could've been negged any second by a main branch member gaving a bad day and he wouldn't have had any say or choice in the matter. He still died encaged in a sense and only death could free him. That's the saddest part for me.

 

[Avani]

Lol but usually in these things if you fight hard enough like Naruto or Guy, you can overcome the impossible. Neji, Naruto and Hinata could've reformed the Hyuuga and undid the branch seals but Neji will never see that promise beimg fulfilled. He could've been negged any second by a main branch member gaving a bad day and he wouldn't have had any say or choice in the matter. He still died encaged in a sense and only death could free him. That's the saddest part for me.

Hyuga didn't need Naruto to fix anything. Hiashi had been feeling guilty ever since his brother died. If he kept the trend one of his daughters- Hinata or Hanabi should have gotten the seal. Don't you think? Only one could be heiress and other will be a branch family. Instead he started training Neji along with his daughters.

And I doubt Hinata will try to put one on Baruto or Himawari, and Naruto will just watch.

Besides- we don't know if the seal was reversible. And since when Naruto is the go to guy for something like that? If you want to beat some sense someone then it's another matter.

As for the seal itself- it was only supposed to be evoked if they threatened the main family member. Seeing all the fight over these eyes and family feuds among Uchihas over it one can argue Hyuga might have had a good reason to lay some rules and contain the in fights and save the clan when they started.

 

[minamoto]

At another board someone explained it very well:

" Argument between Naruto and Neji isn't about existence or non existence of destiny. Neji argues that there is no reason to fight your lot in life because you are destined to stay where you are. Neji's argument isn't 'well your choices are destiny too'.

Naruto at no point ever says that destiny does not exist. He says "you should fight destiny", which in turn can be translated 'you should fight what you perceive to be the way of things and the way things will be in the future'."

Neji claimed to see the destiny of Naruto. And he couldn't be more wrong. What he perceived the definition and chain of event set by destiny was miles off. He was the one caught by surprise by the result of the battle that he claimed he knew beforehand.

Moral is- Destiny may or may not have set things for you - unless you make conscious efforts to improve things for yourself and not give up, you are the one writing a loser's destiny for yourself.

Neji could die as an angry and bitter defeatist. Or he could die as a dear friend and cousin laying his life in line of duty in a battle and protecting fellow comrades, who were also a friend and a cousin.

i could never understand neji's mentality in manga...he was like enigma....i miss him a lot..neji is badass hiyuga member...it was him who changed naruto's fate

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Hyuga didn't need Naruto to fix anything. Hiashi has been feeling guilty ever since his brother died. If he kept the trend one of his daughters- Hinata or Hanabi should have gotten the seal. Don't you think? Only one could be heiress and other will be a branch family. Instead he started training Neji along with his daughters.

And I doubt Hinata will try to put one on Baruto or Himawari, and Naruto will just watch.

Besides- we don't know if the seal was reversible. And since when Naruto is the go to guy for something like that? If you want to beat some sense someone then it's another matter.

As for the seal itself- it was only supposed to be evoked if they threatened the main family member. Seeing all the fight over these eyes and family feuds among Uchihas over it one can argue Hyuga might have had a good reason to lay some rules and contain the in fights and save the clan when they started.

Not necessarily. There was more to it than that. His daughters weren't twins for a start. Wasn't Hanabi much more of a prodigy than Hinata anyway for her age? Training Neji was the least he could do when his father gave his life for him. Besides, Neji was learning the main house techs anyway because he was a natural e.g. everyone was surprised when he used rotation.

Himawari or Boruto aren't full blooded Hyuuga. If anything Hinata left the clan. Why the hell would she do that? Hokage succession doesn't work like that either. They aren't guaranteed to inherit the hokage spot.

Naruto said he'd change the future of the Hyuuga and how they operated. Not that he'd reverse the seals himself, obviously. Other people could do it or try. I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to reverse it. "Since when is Naruto one to change things" lol

I know why the seal was used in the first place but anyone in the main family can use it with merely the intent and a single hand sign. The main purpose was to stop the byakugan falling into ebemy hands but that's applicable for any Hyuuga. Main branch members automatically win any feud & that's unfair. For every lock there's a key anyway, especially in a fiction like Naruto where there are seals for seals and seals can be unsealed/sealed at will etc.

 

[Avani]

Not necessarily. There was more to it than that. His daughters weren't twins for a start. Wasn't Hanabi much more of a prodigy than Hinata anyway for her age?

You are not making any sense here.

There is no relation between the siblings being twins and the seal. Only one son/daughter would be heiress and another still will just be there to serve the main family as a branch family.

Training Neji was the least he could do when his father gave his life for him. Besides, Neji was learning the main house techs anyway because he was a natural e.g. everyone was surprised when he used rotation.

Yeah but you forget that branch family was to serve the main one. Thus, Hizashi was duty bound to lay his life for leader of the clan. The fact that they were still brothers and twins are supposed to be extra close, laid a heavy burden on Hiashi who didn't want him to go though it because of the supposed "duty". Hizashi basically told Hiashi - he wasn't doing it because of his "duty to serve" but choosing to do it despite it. He was choosing to do that for his brother and for the sake of his family and the village. He wasn't going because he was ordered to. He went because he agreed to the plan.

Himawari or Boruto aren't full blooded Hyuuga. If anything Hinata left the clan. Why the hell would she do that? Hokage succession doesn't work like that either. They aren't guaranteed to inherit the hokage spot.

Hokage part is completely irrelevant. Let me put it this way:

She was part of Hyuga clan long enough to get the seal. She still didn't. More so- Do you think she would have gotten one if she married another Hyuuga and remained part of the clan?

Naruto said he'd change the future of the Hyuuga and how they operated. Not that he'd reverse the seals himself, obviously. Other people could do it or try. I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to reverse it. "Since when is Naruto one to change things" lol

Well he married one and left them without a new branch family if we are not to consider Hianata their family member anymore.

And I don't remember Naruto declaring he will find how to reverse the seal- he said change the Hyuuga ways. As I said if you can show us something that suggests the system continues please give that link.

I know why the seal was used in the first place but anyone in the main family can use it with merely the intent and a single hand sign. The main purpose was to stop the byakugan falling into ebemy hands but that's applicable for any Hyuuga. Main branch members automatically win any feud & that's unfair. For every lock there's a key anyway, especially in a fiction like Naruto where there are seals for seals and seals can be unsealed/sealed at will etc.

Oh please- when you are doing something to avoid the feud and rebellion and personal risk to the main family, you want to make sure that you have the upper hand and can act fast on it even in emergency. What's point of the seal which needs an elaborate system to activate and then uses a 'fair' system as if it's tournament? That renders the purpose of sealing utterly void and makes it a useless and meaningless exercise. You can as well lie down and die.

And Neji did almost kill Hianata. But for Kabuto, whose medic nin instinct took over and he went out of his way to heal her while pretending to be an ANBU, she might have been dead.

But Naruto, showed him that whatever the destiny, Neji was wrong in assuming what it was. Naruto won despite every odd seemed against him at the time. That was the first step. After he found out the whole story of his father's death, he made peace with his role and decided to still live to the fullest and in best way he can.

It may not go well with your world view and satisfaction but that doesn't make his choices any less.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

You are not making any sense here.

There is no relation between the siblings being twins and the seal. Only one son/daughter would be heiress and another still will just be there to serve the main family as a branch family.




Yeah but you forget that branch family was to serve so the main so it was Hizashi's duty too. The fact that they were still brothers and twins are supposed to be extra close, laid a heavy burden on Hiashi who didn't want him to go though it because of the supposed "duty". Hizashi told Hiashi - he wasn't doing it because of his"duty" but choosing to do it despite it.


Hokage part is completely irrelevant. Let me put it this way:

She was part of Hyuga clan long enough to get the seal. She still didn't. More so- Do you think she would have gotten one if he married another Hyuga?



Well she married one and left them without a new branch family if we are not to consider Hianata their family member anymore.

And I don't remember Naruto declaring he will find how to reverse the seal- he said change the Hyuuga ways. As I said unless you can show us something that the system continued lease give the link.



Oh please- when you are doing something to avoid the feud and rebellion and personal risk to the main family, you want to make sure that you have the upper hand and can act fast on it even in emergency. What's point of the seal which needs an elaborate system to activate and then uses a 'fair' system as if it's tournament? You can as well lie down and die.

And Neji did almost kill Hianata. But for Kabuto, whose medic nin instinct took over and he went out of his way to heal her while pretending to be an ANBU, she might have still died. He made peace with his role and decided to still live to the fullest and in best way he can.

It may not go well with your world view and satisfaction but that doesn't make his choices any less.

Hiashi and his bro were twins and Hiashi was the eldest making him the main branch leader and his bro the branch leader with the curse mark. I'm making perfect sense. Heiresses can be killed and others can replace them Hiashi doesn't have to be replaced as the branch family are bodyguards.

Don't see how the next bit was relevant. We see Hiashi and his bro training with Hinata and Neji watching. They were the clan leaders and heirs at the time.

Hokage part is completely relevant as they are the Hokage's family before anything else. You think Hiashi can march into the Uzumaki household and force Naruto to choose a successor? For what? Hinabi is the main branch heiress now. She wasn't part of the Hyuuga long enough to get the seal btw. Idek what you're on about there.

Next paragraph seriously doesn't make sense. Naruto is the Hokage and the most influential person in the NV. You sounded like you were on crack there. So what if she married Naruto? Naruto never said he'd get rid of the PAST seals but change the FUTURE of the Hyuuga. Changing the Hyuuga IS changing the branch family system. It's part of changing them. What did you think he was going to do by "changing them". Make them all dye their hair blonde...c'mon...

Neji fighting Hinata is irrelevant as it was an exam. What did you expect her to do? Use the seal on him? That's not a fair test of skills. Who gives a shit about my World opinions. Kishi didn't give that part of the story any closure.

I never said the curse mark jutsu should be harder to use. In fact it should be the opposite like it is. My point is that the main branch can still be kidnapped etc. That means their eyes are stolen btw which was the main function of the curse marks.

 

[Dark Sonic]

I see where everyone is at Neji but it's not like Naruto knew he was the prophecy.

 

[JStar King]

King of Lightning did a video on this. Neji spit some cold hard facts to Naruto. Thinking about it scares me a little.

[video=youtube;TAmyIhFQVRw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAmyIhFQVRw&app[/video]

 

[Avani]

Hiashi and his bro were twins and Hiashi was the eldest making him the main branch leader and his bro the branch leader with the curse mark. I'm making perfect sense. Heiresses can be killed and others can replace them Hiashi doesn't have to be replaced as the branch family are bodyguards.

I didn't ask history of Hyugga family. I questioned your attempt to link sealing with Hiashi and Hizashi being twins. The seal was there because they were brother. Period. Whether they were also twins or not didn't affect their status otherwise.

Don't see how the next bit was relevant. We see Hiashi and his bro training with Hinata and Neji watching. They were the clan leaders and heirs at the time.

They were not clan leaders. Hiashi was the clan leader. Any of the branch family can be an heir but that doesn't make them main family which is the word use for the leader and his single family unit alone.

Hokage part is completely relevant as they are the Hokage's family before anything else. You think Hiashi can march into the Uzumaki household and force Naruto to choose a successor? For what? Hinabi is the main branch heiress now. She wasn't part of the Hyuuga long enough to get the seal btw. Idek what you're on about there.

Naruto wasn't hokage untill both kids were already born and way above the age of 3 the age of sealing. And Hinata was part of the clan when hanabi turned three as well.

Next paragraph seriously doesn't make sense. Naruto is the Hokage and the most influential person in the NV. You sounded like you were on crack there. So what if she married Naruto? Naruto never said he'd get rid of the PAST seals but change the FUTURE of the Hyuuga. Changing the Hyuuga IS changing the branch family system. It's part of changing them. What did you think he was going to do by "changing them". Make them all dye their hair blonde...c'mon...

Really now you are not only making stupid arguments you are suggesting I'm not crack? Do you think insults make up for your lack of logical arguments?

Neji fighting Hinata is irrelevant as it was an exam. What did you expect her to do? Use the seal on him? That's not a fair test of skills. Who gives a shit about my World opinions. Kishi didn't give that part of the story any closure.

With that kind of incoherent change of context you are not going to get a closure for anything.

never said the curse mark jutsu should be harder to use. In fact it should be the opposite like it is. My point is that the main branch can still be kidnapped etc. That means their eyes are stolen btw which was the main function of the curse marks.

Curse seal helped them avoiding attacks from the branch family and stay safe. No one said it would make them immune to attacks all the time.

Anyway seeing the kind of arguments you come up you should pick something more linear to read.

King of Lightning did a video on this. Neji spit some cold hard facts to Naruto. Thinking about it scares me a little.

[video=youtube;TAmyIhFQVRw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAmyIhFQVRw&app[/v ideo ]

And Naruto returned some hard facts as well. Moping over supposed/likely destiny never gets one anywhere good. Giving his/her all to make that life still worth something is what makes someone stand out.

One can control only his own deeds and actions and they still should do their best so that they do not have regrets on that accord. The result will be what will be but at least they won't will be left wondering if they could do better.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

I didn't ask history of Hyugga family. I questioned your attempt to link sealing with Hiashi and Hizashi being twins. The seal was there because they were brother. Period. Whether they were also twins or not didn't affect their status otherwise.


They were not clan leaders. Hiashi was the clan leader. All the branch family can he said a heir but that doesn't make them main family which is the word use for the leader and his single family unit alone.


Naruto wasn't hokage untill both kids were already born and way above the age of 3 the age of sealing. And Hinata was part of the clan when hanabi turned three as well.



Really now you are not only making stupid arguments you are suggesting I'm not crack? Do you think insults make up for your lack of logical arguments?



With that kind of incoherent change of context you are not going to get a closure for anything.



Curse seal helped them avoiding attacks from the branch family and stay safe. No one said it would make them immune to attacks all the time.

Anyway seeing the kind of arguments you come up you should pick something more linear to read.



And Naruto returned some hard facts as well. Moping over supposed/likely destiny never gets one anywhere good. Giving his/her all to make that life still worth something is what makes someone stand out.

One can control only his own deeds and actions and they still should do their best so that they do not have regrets on that accord. The result will be what will be but at least they won't will be left wondering if they could do better.

I die a little i side every time I see you quote me because Ik it's gonna be a wall of text. Lel it's because they were twins JUST BY A FEW MINUTES that the tension could've risen a lot more.

You knew what I meant. They were the leaders and heirs of their respective branches. Clan was made up of the two branches. Main branch leader leads them and the branch in general way but Hiazashi is still leader of the branch if you get me. There's a chain of command. Hizashi is the sergeant of the branch squad but Hiashi is the overall general.

And they knew at the age of three that Hinabi would be the heir to the main branch? You don't get that Naruto and Hinata HAVE THEIR OWN FAMILY. Which means they follow their own rules. Hinata and Naruto are their own new clan leaders. The very idea that Naruto's children would be branded is very stupid.

I said it sounded like you were on crack because your argument made no sense lol don't take it so personally. Damn. No lack of argument here as you can see by walls of text that consistantly make sense.

I didn't even know where you were going with the Hinata and Neji thing fully. Feel free to elaborate so I can counter more effectively.

Lmao now you've actually gone and called me simple whereas I said you could've thought a paragraph out more. You're not getting what I meant by the last bit. The seal protects the main branch from the branch and all but if there was equality, there wouldn't be any need for that in the first place. The second reason for the curse seal is to protect the byakugan from enemies. Who said all of the main branch were as fair as Hiashi later on? You may as well give the main branch a seal for their eyes if they lose them/die with them for the second reason, was my point.

Excuse my spelling errors as I'm on a phone.

 

[SatanicGod]

King of Lightning did a video on this. Neji spit some cold hard facts to Naruto. Thinking about it scares me a little.

[video=youtube;TAmyIhFQVRw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAmyIhFQVRw&app[/video]

Ikr! Although Neji was wrong as to what Naruto's destiny was, he was correct as to his own, and destiny ruling over everything as well.

Neji still died protecting the Main Branch which he himself in part 1 condemned
Naruto was destined to save the world
Sasuke was destined to fight with Naruto

Everything had been predetermined ever since the Prophecy was introduced into the manga.