Theres no way ssg goku is stronger than ssj4 gogeta

[Devauzamaki]

SSG Goku is the combo power of 4 saiyans right?? Or was it 4 pure hearted saiyans??

Either way. SSJ4 Goku is 1000x a super saiyan . So he would still be 250x times a group of 4. And thats just ssj4 goku.

When he fuses with vegeta, Gogeta is essentially a 100x goku ssj4. So that means SSJ4 Gogeta is 100,000 a Super saiyan.

So 20,000 a group of 4 super saiyans, which means 20,000 more of what SSG Goku is.

 

[iNotorious]

We don't know how much OP SSJ4 gogeta is compared to current goku.

 

[6thHokage]

SSG>filler

 

[Liquid Snake]

Nah gogeta still uses regular ki God ki is on a whole different lvl so no ssg Goku is stronger

 

[Gerkak]

ssj4 is a 4000x increase from base.

By feats ssjg is more powerful.

 

[Draw]

Nah gogeta still uses regular ki God ki is on a whole different lvl so no ssg Goku is stronger

Golden Frieza is regular ki isn't he?

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Nah gogeta still uses regular ki God ki is on a whole different lvl so no ssg Goku is stronger

From feats SS4 Gogeta stomps.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

Nah gogeta still uses regular ki God ki is on a whole different lvl so no ssg Goku is stronger

And yet Golden Frieza without God Ki managed to overpower SSG Goku in the start... So no... God Ki doesn't matter. So we don't know who is stronger.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

SS4 is a 10* multiplier on SS3. SS3 Goku was trashed by 1% Beerus, but SSG Goku is 60% Beerus power (Toriyama stated that if Beerus was 10, Goku would be 6 and Whis would be 15). So, clearly Super Saiyan God is a superior form compared to Super Saiyan Four. Whether it can get SS4 Gogeta is a different question, since we can't definitively rank SS4 Gogeta against Beerus or anyone else.

And as for the God Ki argument: **** You. Golden Frieza was overpowering SSGSS Goku without God Ki. He only ended up loosing because he wasn't very experienced with his Golden form. This also applies to Rikudou Chakra, and whatever the Bleach/One Piece equivalents are. End of that particular debate.

Also, you're wrong about Super Saiyan God in the first place. It's not just the powers of Four super Saiyans. Firstly, They connect Hearts, not Power. Second, you need 5 Saiyans to turn another into a SSG. Third, this was a plot point on the show/film so you can't feign Ignorance.

 

[Amazeballs]

And yet Golden Frieza without God Ki managed to overpower SSG Goku in the start... So no... God Ki doesn't matter. So we don't know who is stronger.

Technically, wasn't Goku only using a bit of God Ki? SSGSS is not SSG.

 

[Pyro NB]

SSG Goku is the combo power of 4 saiyans right?? Or was it 4 pure hearted saiyans??

Either way. SSJ4 Goku is 1000x a super saiyan . So he would still be 250x times a group of 4. And thats just ssj4 goku.

When he fuses with vegeta, Gogeta is essentially a 100x goku ssj4. So that means SSJ4 Gogeta is 100,000 a Super saiyan.

So 20,000 a group of 4 super saiyans, which means 20,000 more of what SSG Goku is.

So much math _@: but from the looks of it I don't see a flaw in your argument. Only think wrong is that creator deemed SS4 to be filler which sucks.

 

[Kai NB]

SSG Goku is the combo power of 4 saiyans right?? Or was it 4 pure hearted saiyans??

Either way. SSJ4 Goku is 1000x a super saiyan . So he would still be 250x times a group of 4. And thats just ssj4 goku.

When he fuses with vegeta, Gogeta is essentially a 100x goku ssj4. So that means SSJ4 Gogeta is 100,000 a Super saiyan.

So 20,000 a group of 4 super saiyans, which means 20,000 more of what SSG Goku is.

SSG does not equal combo power of 4 saiyans. It requires the "energy" of 5 pure hearted saiyans to reach it's potential, but that doesn't mean it's equal. In fact, we can see this very clearly. At...






I really did want to continue this and explain, but I'm too ****ing tired to do this right now.

 

[Cyber]

SSG Goku is the combo power of 4 saiyans right?? Or was it 4 pure hearted saiyans??

Either way. SSJ4 Goku is 1000x a super saiyan . So he would still be 250x times a group of 4. And thats just ssj4 goku.

When he fuses with vegeta, Gogeta is essentially a 100x goku ssj4. So that means SSJ4 Gogeta is 100,000 a Super saiyan.

So 20,000 a group of 4 super saiyans, which means 20,000 more of what SSG Goku is.

SSJ=50x
SSJ2=100x
SSJ3=200x
SSJ4=400x
Regular fusion dance is 1+1=2
So Gogeta is 800x the power of a base form Goku. But Base Goku's power level in GT was about equal to his SSJ3 form against Buu

 

[Kai NB]

SSJ=50x
SSJ2=100x
SSJ3=200x
SSJ4=400x
Regular fusion dance is 1+1=2
So Gogeta is 800x the power of a base form Goku. But Base Goku's power level in GT was about equal to his SSJ3 form against Buu

Fusion of any kind isn't simply adding both power levels together. It's an exponential increase in power.

 

[Ripple Hole]

It's not the combined powers, it's something greater.
When all the saiyans were just pouring power into Goku
they felt the difference but Goku didn't really feel anything major.

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-Then Whis/Beerus told them they were doing it wrong-

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Though when they poured their hearts out Goku felt major power
that he could barely control- the difference is obviously very huge.

That aside one is fodder filler, and the other cannon.
I will not even mention that SSG Goku & Beerus could screw
up the universe with just 3 clashes of their fists, whilst SSJ4 Gogeta
hasn't shown that kind of devastation or immense power beyond control.

 

[Michael]

Imagine SSG Goku fused with SSG Vegeta, SSG Gogeta GG! :Sparks:

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

SSG Goku is the combo power of 4 saiyans right?? Or was it 4 pure hearted saiyans??

Either way. SSJ4 Goku is 1000x a super saiyan . So he would still be 250x times a group of 4. And thats just ssj4 goku.

When he fuses with vegeta, Gogeta is essentially a 100x goku ssj4. So that means SSJ4 Gogeta is 100,000 a Super saiyan.

So 20,000 a group of 4 super saiyans, which means 20,000 more of what SSG Goku is.

Dumbest shit I've seen.
The power increase Doesn't come from just the four of them. It comes from the power of the ssg summoned by them. When They first tried and goku absorbed their power he was still nowhere near his ssg self not even a fraction.
Buu Saga vegeto negs most of gt and gt goku.
Gt Goku had his ss multiplier reduced to three. When he went ss vs rildo rildo confirmed it himself by saying his power tripled(or that he's been using a third of his strength before he transformed).
Ss4 even with a multiplier of500x is still below vegeto as an ss3
Vegeto in his base in superior to gt goku.
No ss4 multiplier has been released and is more of a potential unlocked however if it is one it can only be 1000x base.
Why? Well its ss combined with oozaru which would be 50x10 doubled due to condensation when transitioning from golden oozaru to ss4. This is very likely way lower due to the ss multiplier being tampered with so severely in gt.
The ss4 increase can and should be regarded as an unspecified power increase and power scaling should more so rely on feats.
Vegeto at full power in buu saga is by fact more than400x buu.
While ss3 goku in gt would be less than50x buu with the smaller multiplier. Makes sense as baby vegeta was put a little above super vegetto and outclassed ss3 goku.
Ss3 Vegito in bog would be way stronger than his buu arc counter part. When fusees make small gains there are enlarged in the fusions power. This is evidenced by gotenks growth in the buu saga.
Bog vegeto who could arguable take gt on and go pretty far stands no chance against supressed Beerus. Goku getting used to his ssg powers makes vegetto look like a child and in his full power he can shake the universe to the point where it is endangered as a whole and he can cancel blows of this caliber. Ss4 doesnt have these feats nor is there enough power scaling evidence to place it in the god tiers

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Technically, wasn't Goku only using a bit of God Ki? SSGSS is not SSG.

Ssgss is ssg while in super saiyan. Goku absorbed most god ki and accessed ssg form briefly while in base against whis and his base form is roughly equal to his ssg form. Ssgss is boosting ssg by using it with the super saiyan metamorphosis
Note that pure ss god ki is blue

 

[Amazeballs]

Ssgss is ssg while in super saiyan. Goku absorbed most god ki and accessed ssg form briefly while in base against whis and his base form is roughly equal to his ssg form. Ssgss is boosting ssg by using it with the super saiyan metamorphosis
Note that pure ss god ki is blue

Toriyama confirmed that the blue ki is weaker than the red ki. Goku fought Frieza in a state using mostly Super Saiyan ki with a little bit of God ki added. It's weaker than the red SSG form that fought Beerus.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Toriyama confirmed that the blue ki is weaker than the red ki. Goku fought Frieza in a state using mostly Super Saiyan ki with a little bit of God ki added. It's weaker than the red SSG form that fought Beerus.

No he didn't that was in an interview before rof and not about forma but his decisio making in designing ssg
Goku says himself its ssg with ss
He didn't lose ssg as shown in rof manga and his base is close to power in bog. Why would he weaken himself in a transformation. This is a rumor spread by YouTuber idiots That contradict everything shown