War Arc Gaara vs War Arc Bee

[KidGamer65]

Yes, they're too weak to destroy it. If Gaara creates a massive defence he can pretty much defend against the TBB, if C3 couldn't manage to even damage the sand. I am not trying to suggest that Juubi TBB or anything gets tanked, just trying to get people to think about the fact that sand's resistance to pure energy and its resistance to brunt/penetrative force are COMPLETELY different.

No, Gaara's Sand has no feat that'd let it tank Bijuu Dama or Continuous Bijuu Dama when Bijuu Dama is far far far far stronger than C3 regardless of how it reacts to energy based attacks in comparison to blunt force and penetrative force.

 

[Imperious]

I hate when people says something like this.

Dude, you spend time of your life on a fictional debate forums, don't act like you don't have time to waste.

I'm not even going to dignify that with a response ._.

 

[Imperious]

I can't even begin to fathom how you came to the conclusion that Gaara's Sand can't be destroyed by pure energy attacks, but it's a laughable notion.

OT: Continuous Bijuu Dama ends Gaara.

"Gaara easily counters TBB with his own TBB, since I gave him Ichibi" ​

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Bee sh1ts in every aspect

 

[Apêx1]

No, Gaara's Sand has no feat that'd let it tank Bijuu Dama or Continuous Bijuu Dama when Bijuu Dama is far far far far stronger than C3 regardless of how it reacts to energy based attacks in comparison to blunt force and penetrative force.

How did you come to the conclusion in the bold? A defence comparable in thickness to the one used against C3

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would most definitely not end up vaporised by TBB's given each particle of sand yields an immense energy loss from the TBB in order to vaporise it.

Gaara easily counters TBB with his own TBB, since I gave him Ichibi

You should've clarified this is perfect Jin Gaara, now he easily shits.

 

[Imperious]

You should've clarified this is perfect Jin Gaara, now he easily shits.

"I thought it was implied ;-;" ​

 

[KidGamer65]

How did you come to the conclusion in the bold? A defence comparable in thickness to the one used against C3

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would most definitely not end up vaporised by TBB's given each particle of sand yields an immense energy loss from the TBB in order to vaporise it.



You should've clarified this is perfect Jin Gaara, now he easily shits.

.....You do realize that your argument in a nutshell is that since Sand can block energy, it blocks BD right? Literally zero evidence that Gaaras shield can tank BD. If you believe so, then prove it, cause it beimg thick, and it blocking energy, and it tanking C3 isnt evidence.

 

[Haizaki]

Same thing I said previously.

Killer B wins but then it's Gaara who I find complicated ability wise.

- B can instantly shoot TBB's. Can Gaara dodge this? OR even tank it? Nope. Not from what I know.

- In V2, he has the necessary speed to evade his sand though the environment can be quite troublesome, I believe V2 B is much more durable than Kimmimaro who at least could break through Gaara's sand couple times and withstand some of his attacks. True this is a much stronger Gaara but the durability difference as well should also factor in. Besides, there's always Samehada there to absorb the chakra stregnthing the sand making it weaker. Plus I'm curious to know what happens when the sand makes contact with that cloak that can instantly melt snakes when activated.

- Back to the speed aspect which I mentioned, if Killer B can out speed his sand, he can potentially bypass Gaara's defense similar to what Lee did and land a fatal hit.

- Shukaku comes out, Hachibi does and we know who wins.

 

[Apêx1]

.....You do realize that your argument in a nutshell is that since Sand can block energy, it blocks BD right? Literally zero evidence that Gaaras shield can tank BD. If you believe so, then prove it, cause it beimg thick, and it blocking energy, and it tanking C3 isnt evidence.

Not really, my argument in a nutshell is that if C3 didn't have enough energy to vaporise sand in the first place then the BD won't have the energy to vaporise a large layer of sand. The difference between C3 and BD is very large but not this large. Anyways, we won't come to an agreement on this so let me ask you this since you believe Bee wins due to TBB. What happens if Gaara is 30+ meters in the air above Hachibi, and Hachibi fires the TBB, Gaara dodges, the TBB's keep going? Nothing to Gaara since the TBB's can't explode on command. Also, Gaara can create an extremely thin but long/wide layer of sand to block Hachibi's/Bee's LoS while he uses the 3rd eye. TBB busts a hole anywhere it makes contact with, but the firing of the TBB will be random and the chances of Gaara being hit are negligible. Quicksand crushes the Hachibi.

Edit: I'm assuming we aren't discussing Perfect Jin Gaara here btw.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Kinda agree with Apex here. Imperfect Jin Gaaras sand suspension shield seemingly took zero damage from C3. Obviously a TBB is a lot stronger, but is it so significantly stronger that it'll not only do damage, but bust through his defenses? I doubt it, considering I don't think the Hachibi can completely tank a C3 explosion with zero damage; while it's own TBB put him out of commission. Not to mention, perfect Jin Gaara should be capable of conjuring up an even stronger shield then the one that was used to block C3. Also, Gaara is much more versatile then Bee, and should be capable of deploying tactics to avoid a TBB, as Apex pointed out.

 

[Haizaki]

@FT The thing is B can shoot multiple TBB's at once

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which Gaara shouldn't be able to tank at all.

I don't think Gaara can take a single one with his sand though.

 

[Draegod]

Kinda agree with Apex here. Imperfect Jin Gaaras sand suspension shield seemingly took zero damage from C3. Obviously a TBB is a lot stronger, but is it so significantly stronger that it'll not only do damage, but bust through his defenses? I doubt it, considering I don't think the Hachibi can completely tank a C3 explosion with zero damage; while it's own TBB put him out of commission. Not to mention, perfect Jin Gaara should be capable of conjuring up an even stronger shield then the one that was used to block C3. Also, Gaara is much more versatile then Bee, and should be capable of deploying tactics to avoid a TBB, as Apex pointed out.

The number one Bee hater himself! lol

OT: Technically Gaara can make the Shukaku Fly or Merge with the desert to dodge TBB. No need to make things harder then what they are. Bee still wins though

 

[Forbidden Technique]

@FT The thing is B can shoot multiple TBB's at once

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which Gaara shouldn't be able to tank at all.

I don't think Gaara can take a single one with his sand though.

I'd argue that those 4 TBB's aren't individually stronger then the single one he fired at the Jubi that was flicked back at him. But I'm at work, and on my phone lol.

The number one Bee hater himself! lol

OT: Technically Gaara can make the Shukaku Fly or Merge with the desert to dodge TBB. No need to make things harder then what they are. Bee still wins though

I actually like Bee a lot... It only seems that way because the only time I ever comment on Bee threads is when he's up against a select few I don't think he can beat (Itachi and Minato), or the "underdogs" I think stand a decent chance that I enjoy debating with (Kisame and Gai). Other then that, I just don't bother commenting because I'm just not interested in the match-up, mostly due to the tier of the fight.

 

[blazekev90]

Fill Hachibi's mouth w/ sand gg.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not really, my argument in a nutshell is that if C3 didn't have enough energy to vaporise sand in the first place then the BD won't have the energy to vaporise a large layer of sand. The difference between C3 and BD is very large but not this large. Anyways, we won't come to an agreement on this so let me ask you this since you believe Bee wins due to TBB. What happens if Gaara is 30+ meters in the air above Hachibi, and Hachibi fires the TBB, Gaara dodges, the TBB's keep going? Nothing to Gaara since the TBB's can't explode on command. Also, Gaara can create an extremely thin but long/wide layer of sand to block Hachibi's/Bee's LoS while he uses the 3rd eye. TBB busts a hole anywhere it makes contact with, but the firing of the TBB will be random and the chances of Gaara being hit are negligible. Quicksand crushes the Hachibi.

Edit: I'm assuming we aren't discussing Perfect Jin Gaara here btw.

Vaporize Sand? It couldn't vaporize or damage that specific Sand Shield, so by saying "C3 couldn't vaporize it thus BD doesn't either" you are essentially stating everything I already said you were stating. If you are trying to break this down into "C3 couldn't vaporize a single grain thus BD doesn't vaporize the whole shield", I'll have to tell you that makes no sense since it wasn't C3's entire energy vs. a single grain of sand. If we don't agree on this then it's simply because you don't want to, because there is literally no reason to believe Gaara can protect himself from Bijuu Dama just because he protected himself from C3. None at all.

Didn't know that Gaara was fast enough to dodge Bijuu Dama in the air. Not to mention Bijuu Dama can be used in it's wave form, which completely negates the effectiveness of this strategy, and the blocking LoS strategy

 

[Imperious]

Not really, my argument in a nutshell is that if C3 didn't have enough energy to vaporise sand in the first place then the BD won't have the energy to vaporise a large layer of sand. The difference between C3 and BD is very large but not this large. Anyways, we won't come to an agreement on this so let me ask you this since you believe Bee wins due to TBB. What happens if Gaara is 30+ meters in the air above Hachibi, and Hachibi fires the TBB, Gaara dodges, the TBB's keep going? Nothing to Gaara since the TBB's can't explode on command. Also, Gaara can create an extremely thin but long/wide layer of sand to block Hachibi's/Bee's LoS while he uses the 3rd eye. TBB busts a hole anywhere it makes contact with, but the firing of the TBB will be random and the chances of Gaara being hit are negligible. Quicksand crushes the Hachibi.

Edit: I'm assuming we aren't discussing Perfect Jin Gaara here btw.

Edit: "We should be, sorry I done goofed." ​

 

[Curse Mark]

Gaara has a few options for countering tbb: dodging, matching, etc.

Or, he could redirect them using sand and/or

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On another note- can someone compare C3 and BD? Is the difference really that serious? They seem similar in size.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kinda agree with Apex here. Imperfect Jin Gaaras sand suspension shield seemingly took zero damage from C3. Obviously a TBB is a lot stronger,

Yes a tbb is stronger but not a lot stronger. c3 was hyped to be village level.​

 

[Apêx1]

Vaporize Sand? It couldn't vaporize or damage that specific Sand Shield, so by saying "C3 couldn't vaporize it thus BD doesn't either" you are essentially stating everything I already said you were stating. If you are trying to break this down into "C3 couldn't vaporize a single grain thus BD doesn't vaporize the whole shield", I'll have to tell you that makes no sense since it wasn't C3's entire energy vs. a single grain of sand. If we don't agree on this then it's simply because you don't want to, because there is literally no reason to believe Gaara can protect himself from Bijuu Dama just because he protected himself from C3. None at all.

Didn't know that Gaara was fast enough to dodge Bijuu Dama in the air. Not to mention Bijuu Dama can be used in it's wave form, which completely negates the effectiveness of this strategy, and the blocking LoS strategy

I am not saying C3's entire energy versus a single grain of sand, in the same way it won't be BD's entire energy versus a single grain of sand. The only thing that will matter is the energy of area. If C3's energy of area cannot vaporise a single grain of sand, then I am sure as hell that TBB isn't vaporising a 1000 in a line. Not only would it have to take out all the sand grains after the first one, it would have to do so despite the fact that after each sand grain is vaporised, a large amount of energy from the TBB is lost whilst vaporising that sand. So it has to be capable of keeping this up for all the rest of the sand particles, which is why it won't work. You clearly don't understand my argument if you think I am trying to say that because it tanked C3 it will survive BD, because that's not my argument. A good portion of the Sand could vaporise, but the whole thing? Not a chance in hell.

 

[EZQ]

I'm not even going to dignify that with a response ._.

Well sure, it would take too much of your precious time