Sasuke without his sharingan and Naruto without the kurama

[Pukkake Pokayo]

When Sasuke used the bijuu? I thought this was about Sasuke without Sharingan. Stay on topic.

Eye power was necessary to take the bijuu. Therefore it is relevant. It was a power-up that naturally farmed power-ups, as we've seen throughout the manga.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Oho ho ho! Someone is getting pissey because they got slapped in the face with manga facts. Common sense tells you what I explained. Naruto was literally born right before Kurama in a sense. Obito just gave Kushina a bit of a C-Section :Sparks:

MS > Kurama yet you still complain that Naruto gets the unfair power-ups. Ffs, grow up. Kurama is still literally just a giant chakra body. Naruto's power up is hundreds of years old and was pre-programmed with info. Sasuke's was pre-programmed with genes from hundreds of years ago & like Naruto's had a natural progression to mastering them and advancing. Yin & yang, bruh :bdpf:

Sasuke was born with sharigan & Naruto was born with a strong body.

Naruto was not however born with a tailed beast.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Sasuke was born with sharigan & Naruto was born with a strong body.

Naruto was not however born with a tailed beast.

Tnx for repeating your first post. Now counter my counter to that or do I have to explain to you how debates work? Sasuke was born with the genetics to unlock sharingan. Not the actual sharingan. Naruto was born with the genes to be a perfect jin. They both unlocked and progressed in each field with training and emotions. Kishi always balances it out.

"Herpa derp but Naruto's power can talk!" Well Sasuke's nullifies Kurama.

Naruto consistently relies on Kurama's power. Sasuke did so once & tbh I actually didn't agree with him doing so.

How many times has he relied on sharingan and Itachi's eyes or Oro's boosts?

 

[King of the Heavens]

When Sasuke used the bijuu? I thought this was about Sasuke without Sharingan. Stay on topic.

Since it's my topic i can change when i like fool

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

How many times has he relied on sharingan and Itachi's eyes or Oro's boosts?

Yes, correct, but I could've swore that was off topic, however I semi agree.

At the end of the day you must realize that Naruto wasn't born with a beast in him & was merely chance because of his mother's predicament. Sasuke would've been born with the genetics for Sharigan regardless.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Yes, correct, but I could've swore that was off topic, however I semi agree.

At the end of the day you must realize that Naruto wasn't born with a beast in him & was merely chance because of his mother's predicament. Sasuke would've been born with the genetics for Sharigan regardless.

Power ups are all in the same category. Especially when you can't get another without the original. No sharingan = no help from Oro for example.

Everything is frickin chance, as I've been telling you. Which genes are dominant. Which power ups they get. Everything. Naruto would be botn with the genetics to be Kurama's inevitable jin regardless. Nice circle we're going in bruh.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Tnx for repeating your first post. Now counter my counter to that or do I have to explain to you how debates work? Sasuke was born with the genetics to unlock sharingan. Not the actual sharingan. Naruto was born with the genes to be a perfect jin. They both unlocked and progressed in each field with training and emotions. Kishi always balances it out.

"Herpa derp but Naruto's power can talk!" Well Sasuke's nullifies Kurama.



How many times has he relied on sharingan and Itachi's eyes or Oro's boosts?

Show me when Sasuke's power provide him with super potent chakra.

 

[Wparker6804]

How many times has he relied on sharingan and Itachi's eyes or Oro's boosts?

They've both gotten free upgrades and upgrades that they earned. But Naruto would have plenty of perks if you took away freebees while Sasuke would be blind. While not as massive he'd still have Kage Bunshins. And he'd have Sage Mode (with Ma and Pa) and the Rasengan variants. Sasuke would have his fire & lightning abilities and even though he'd be blind he'd deffinately have other means of fighting (hearing, sensory abilities, etc). Naruto is clever, crafty, unpredictable & absurdly original while Sasuke is an intellectual, calculative & extremely cunning. With or without this or that they're even. The only way people can settle this (or any in the world) mater is by being unbiased, putting each other on the same page & focus on more than their point of views, perceptions & way they'd like things to be. I mean, seriously--a decade old debate on a series that's done and over with has a bunch of people urinating out the mouth. Lets just all calm down, all right? Naruto and Sasuke are BOTH powerful and in total they're equals--the only dividing factor should be preference in style & character not superiority.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Show me when Sasuke's power provide him with super potent chakra.

He's an Uchiha. His chakra is naturally smaller in supply but very potent to make up for. Kurama noted Sasuke's chakra in comparison to Madara's when Sasuke entered Naruto's conscience in early part 2. Rekt m8.

MS controls tailed beasts no problem. E.g Madz and Obito. Not that potent chakra has much to do with what you put in bold

 

[ANiMUS]

Tnx for repeating your first post. Now counter my counter to that or do I have to explain to you how debates work? Sasuke was born with the genetics to unlock sharingan. Not the actual sharingan. Naruto was born with the genes to be a perfect jin. They both unlocked and progressed in each field with training and emotions. Kishi always balances it out.

"Herpa derp but Naruto's power can talk!" Well Sasuke's nullifies Kurama.



How many times has he relied on sharingan and Itachi's eyes or Oro's boosts?

How many times has Naruto relied on the kyuubi or his Uzamaki body :wut:

 

[Wparker6804]

Power ups are all in the same category. Especially when you can't get another without the original. No sharingan = no help from Oro for example.

Everything is frickin chance, as I've been telling you. Which genes are dominant. Which power ups they get. Everything. Naruto would be botn with the genetics to be Kurama's inevitable jin regardless. Nice circle we're going in bruh.

Good thought. In addition, he's still Asura's reincarnation and he would have been raised/trained by Minato if the attack never took place. Everything Naruto was taught he still would have discovered from his father (Sage chakra, Rasengan, elemental manipulation, Kage Bunshin & probably FTG). If Sasuke's life took a better path & the coup was never a problem he probably wouldn't have fallen into Orochimaru's lap or turned cold/violent and STILL be Indra's reincarnate

Another example of how the 2 are balanced to be equals/rivals. It's an element that's basically set.

How many times has Naruto relied on the kyuubi or his Uzamaki body :wut:

.... I won't... You know, it's not even worth it...

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

How many times has Naruto relied on the kyuubi or his Uzamaki body :wut:

Derp. That's the very statement I'm countering against. They both relied on power-ups

At least read my argument where I'm agreeing with you before you try take a jab. If you weren't taking a jab. Too many times XD

 

[ANiMUS]

Good thought. In addition, he's still Asura's reincarnation and he would have been raised/trained by Minato if the attack never took place. Everything Naruto was taught he still would have discovered from his father (Sage chakra, Rasengan, elemental manipulation, Kage Bunshin & probably FTG). If Sasuke's life took a better path & the coup was never a problem he probably wouldn't have fallen into Orochimaru's lap or turned cold/violent and STILL be Indra's reincarnate

Another example of how the 2 are balanced to be equals/rivals. It's an element that's basically set.

.... I won't... You know, it's not even worth it...

Its about as dumb as this argument when u stoop so low as to bring up something that someone inherited naturally.

Senju=body
Uchiha=eyes

If u look down on one for using their power then u should look down on the other as well since both parts are equal

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Good thought. In addition, he's still Asura's reincarnation and he would have been raised/trained by Minato if the attack never took place. Everything Naruto was taught he still would have discovered from his father (Sage chakra, Rasengan, elemental manipulation, Kage Bunshin & probably FTG). If Sasuke's life took a better path & the coup was never a problem he probably wouldn't have fallen into Orochimaru's lap or turned cold/violent and STILL be Indra's reincarnate

Another example of how the 2 are balanced to be equals/rivals. It's an element that's basically set.

.... I won't... You know, it's not even worth it...

They still have the transmigrant thing going for them indeed. Oro ignores Sasuke though as he lusted for sharingan but Itachi negged him so he went after a kid.

I doubt Oro would go after Sasuke for his feats up until that point w/o sharingan? But there's still a tiny chance.

 

[Endles Waltz]

Sharingan is a KKG that is within your blood, like Haku's ice or Byakugan. It shouldn't be paralleled with the Bijuu which is a separate living entity that is added after birth. Bijuu's are also not associated with any specific clan as we saw Jins from different countries and some even from the Uchiha (Juubi Jins).

Taking away Sasuke's Sharingan is like taking away Naruto's "strong body" and chakra reserves due to his lineage.

Regardless, like many people said, these 2 are portrayed equal and that will not change no matter how many times these discussions repeat themselves.

 

[ANiMUS]

Derp. That's the very statement I'm countering against. They both relied on power-ups

At least read my argument where I'm agreeing with you before you try take a jab. If you weren't taking a jab. Too many times XD

Yeah sorry XD I am in the middle of work I found something interesting and posted

 

[Wparker6804]

Its about as dumb as this argument when u stoop so low as to bring up something that someone inherited naturally.

Senju=body
Uchiha=eyes

If u look down on one for using their power then u should look down on the other as well since both parts are equal

That's what I was saying--read it with an unbiased and non-hateful attitude. No Kyuubi attack & no Uchiha coup ment no Kurama for Naruto but he'd still have several (maybe more) of his other skills and being raised/trained by a Hokage (work & will are his guifts & means to achieve power). No Coup Uchiha meant Sasuke wouldn't have gotten the curse mark, his genetic modifications and unlikely to get the EMS (Itachi getting the MS and so on was a chain of events that the Coup caused) but he'd still have his training for fire, his affinity for Lightning, his intellect & 3-tome Sharingan (still powerful by itself) and intelect. I was elaborating on Naruto's part because that's what the post I quoted was focusing on.

The last line in the reply was (and in most others):
"Another example of how the 2 are balanced to be equals/rivals. It's an element that's basically set."

 

[lndra]

Two very different things. Sasuke's sharingan actually belongs to him because he was born with it. Can't say the same for Naruto and Kurama.

At least Lord Sasuke was born with the sharingan.

What...?

Please stop making up fanfic to cover for Naruto, if you want to have a conversation use common sense.

Naruto wasn't born with Kurama, where as Sasuke was born with sharigan, get over yourself.

Naruto's source of power has its own mind & chakra. Sasuke's doesn't. Says alot about whose raw abilities alone would trump the other.

Naruto was born with Kurama's chakra. Why do you think he had three whiskers from birth? Seal was broken and chakra leaked into the womb.

 

[ANiMUS]

That's what I was saying--read it with an unbiased and non-hateful attitude. No Kyuubi attack & no Uchiha coup ment no Kurama for Naruto but he'd still have several (maybe more) of his other skills and being raised/trained by a Hokage (work & will are his guifts & means to achieve power). No Coup Uchiha meant Sasuke wouldn't have gotten the curse mark, his genetic modifications and unlikely to get the EMS (Itachi getting the MS and so on was a chain of events that the Coup caused) but he'd still have his training for fire, his affinity for Lightning, his intellect & 3-tome Sharingan (still powerful by itself) and intelect. I was elaborating on Naruto's part because that's what the post I quoted was focusing on.

The last line in the reply was (and in most others):
"Another example of how the 2 are balanced to be equals/rivals. It's an element that's basically set."

Yeah refer to my post above :|

Anyway I never knew your stance to begin with. The purpose of that post was purely to give my reasoning on the post before.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Naruto is 1/2 uzumaki so would have half uzumaki lifeforce. Without Kurama he would be Iruka level in chakra and skill.
Sasuke is uchiha without eyes he still has spiritual energy and powerful chakra of the sage so would still excel in mugen and multiple ninjutsu. Possibly learning all elements. So he would still have potential to reach elite jonin or kage level.