Saudi Arabian Teen To Be Executed today for Pro-Democracy protests.

[Fresco]

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This is funny because Saudi Arabia, a country that still has public executions, was just admitted to a key position on the UN Human Rights council.

Bronze, your country is a joke.

 

[Ciao]

this is what theocratic governments looks like

 

[Fresco]

this is what theocratic governments looks like

Yep, an authoritarian family that subjects the country to sharia law and is protected by the west despite having the worst human rights record behind North Korea? Awesome.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

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This is funny because Saudi Arabia, a country that still has public executions, was just admitted to a key position on the UN Human Rights council.

Bronze, your country is a joke.

Its funny cause Bronze is a joke too

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

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This is funny because Saudi Arabia, a country that still has public executions, was just admitted to a key position on the UN Human Rights council.

Bronze, your country is a joke.

Read my sig. He probably supports the Saudi Arabian governments decision to execute this guy.

 

[Xlad]

Oh, we be starting something all right. :lol

 

[Akuma]

Poor case, but let's look at the facts. The world is in outrage because of it, and the US says they "are not ware" of the sentence. They say they are allies of Saudi Arabia and thus arm they with weapons to then invade Yemen.

The Leahy Law prohibits the US government from providing military aid to countries guilty of “a gross violation of human rights”; however, the US continues to arm Saudi Arabia in clear violation of this prohibition.

^ US also ranks 5th in executions. Only 2 digits above Saudi Arabia (#3). I'm not hating, i'm US born, but man... If US wasn't so self involved, they could do something about this guy.

 

[Ririchiyo Sama]

It's not your country dude. You don't need to worry about it. Tch.

 

[Aim64C]

I was wondering when this card would be played.

In the 1950s, the Muslim Brotherhood was moved out of Egypt after assassinating the prime minister of Egypt and the authorities told them to GTFO or die (in more words or less). A Soviet double-agent working in MI6 worked to transfer many of the Muslim Brotherhood operatives (former Nazi party members who were known Nazi affiliates throughout the Middle East) into U.S. hands after Britain used the Muslim Brotherhood to provoke the Arab-Israeli war to distract from a defense deal with Iraq. The Muslim Brotherhood was then deposited in Saudi Arabia, where the Muslim Brotherhood's objectives to re-assert the Caliphate resonated with the birth-place of Islam and its fundamental Wahhabi Islam.

The Muslim Brotherhood operatives were re-named by the CIA in order to gain congressional approval to fund and relocate them to Afghanistan, where they would provoke the Russians. One of the key training aspects was in propaganda warfare. Muslim Brotherhood operatives were both equipped and trained to both develop and control the media narrative to portray their fighters in a way that Western onlookers would sympathize with their objectives and cause.

Their goal was always to build a Caliphate doing exactly the same things ISIS is doing, now. But they painted themselves as revolutionaries against a tyrannical government while being pro-democracy. A concept that Americans, in particular, relate to and believe they have the moral obligation to support others who are fighting for the same rights we have in our own nation.

Of course, after the war in Afghanistan was over and the Soviets withdrew - Bin Laden, the second in command of Muslim Brotherhood forces in Afghanistan, did not want to return to Saudi Arabia - nor did many of his soldiers. This split in the Muslim Brotherhood created Al Qaeda - a group dedicated to the provocation of Western powers to draw them into wars that would ultimately weaken them and destroy the various noble ruling families that had been established through the British Empire over the former Ottoman territories.

See, groups like the Saudi royals were essentially placed in charge of the sub-territories of the old Ottoman Empire after the economic default and decline of the Ottomans whereby they were essentially bought out by British central bankers. These imperial district lords were to, essentially, suppress the Muslim tendency to return to a Caliphate.

This man being executed is, very likely, an Al Qaeda or ISIS operative. Saudi Arabia has very strict rules in place to prevent criticism of the government and has been very intolerant of open support for terrorist organizations (even if they are willing to fund them in surrounding nations - part of that, I suspect, is bribe money - "you pay us and we won't blow up your mansions"). All of the little dictatorships throughout that region effectively exist to be a roadblock to the reformation of the Caliphate.

Which is precisely why they have been targeted by the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States to be removed. Qaddafi, for example, was targeted by the Obama administration and his nation effectively destroyed before Congress could act. The Obama administration has also been very focused on targeting the Assad regime in Syria. Keep in mind that this would only serve to further advance the ISIS Caliphate, as most of the militants engaged against Assad are ISIS.

It was only a matter of time before the House of Saud was targeted in the same fashion.

Saudi Arabia has been considered an ally of the U.S. for years and has been called out for their human rights violations by conservative groups for years. Now that there is a Caliphate breathing down the neck of Saudi Arabia and ready to swoop in and claim the territory as theirs... liberal groups are suddenly concerned about those human rights violations and about the support the U.S. has been lending to Saudi Arabia all along....

Because of a protester who believes the muslim population should be able to vote in the Islamic State.

It's a catch-22.

Funding Saudi Arabia is a bad idea because the government is corrupt and is likely paying terrorists to not target its country. Now that the scheme is failing and the terrorists are confident enough to challenge Saud outright... you're damned if you don't fund Saudi Arabia to defend itself against those militants as they are one of the few remaining obstacles to ISIS storming through the Balkans without disguising themselves as refugees.

Mark my words - those are not democracy protesters in Saudi Arabia as we understand them. They are Islamic State operatives looking to crumble the government put in place to suppress the rise of another Caliphate.

 

[Fresco]

Poor case, but let's look at the facts. The world is in outrage because of it, and the US says they "are not ware" of the sentence. They say they are allies of Saudi Arabia and thus arm they with weapons to then invade Yemen.


^ US also ranks 5th in executions. Only 2 digits above Saudi Arabia (#3). I'm not hating, i'm US born, but man... If US wasn't so self involved, they could do something about this guy.

I'm aware, and the comment (was it State Department?) was incredibly short-sighted. But there are many things that seperate the US from countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia. Per Capita, our executions aren't close to SA or Iran's, for example. I could be wrong, so correct me if I am. Secondly, our punishments across the board are less harsh. Under US law, this kid wouldn't have even been arrested. Homosexuality and adultery is punishable by death, whereas in the US, its not even a crime. So there's a BIG difference. People who are executed in the US have committed murder. Note, I'm personally against executions of any kind, so it's a travesty in my mind anyways.

US support of Saudi Arabia is disgusting, but that's politics for you.

 

[Naruto Kamisama]

I hate em man.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

I'm surprised that you're surprised :sdo:
This Country kills Homosexuals, Non-Covered Women, people who commit harmless crimes.

People in Saudi Arabia are not better than the IS.
Or at least the Government needs some sort of change.

 

[Aim64C]

I'm surprised that you're surprised :sdo:
This Country kills Homosexuals, Non-Covered Women, people who commit harmless crimes.

Frankly, I don't believe that is the Saudis who are in favor of doing that so much as the Saudis -have- to do that in order to keep the population halfway content.

People in Saudi Arabia are not better than the IS.
Or at least the Government needs some sort of change.

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" Unfortunately, we only have the original article discussing the poll results (screen caps below) which was published in Al-Hayat news in Saudi Arabia on July 22, 2014, and that confirm a 92% outcome of support for the Islamic State, but no details or example of all the questions, sources and responses to the poll itself.

That Sunni Muslims are supportive of the Islamic State should come as no surprise to anyone. ISIS represents the core tenents of Islam and the duty each Muslim must do to spread and install Islam around the world. At the same time Saudi authorities are concerned because one of ISIS’s aims is to topple the Saudi royal family. "

Pew Research conducted a poll of various Muslim nations. Saudi Arabia was notably difficult to conduct opinion polling in and results weren't available... however... the trend for regions around Saudi Arabia was thus:

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I find the correction humorous from an ironic standpoint: " Correction: An earlier version of this article incorrectly extrapolated data from the Pew Research Center’s 2013 survey report, “The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society,” regarding the percentage of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan who support the death penalty for leaving Islam. The correct figures, based on the 2013 Pew Research Center report, are 88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion. "

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So... yeah.

If we take the surrounding nations as cues as to what is to be found in Saudi Arabia....

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" An Islamic court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced a man to death for renouncing his Muslim faith, the English-language daily Saudi Gazette reported on Tuesday.

The man, in his 20s, posted an online video ripping up a copy of Islam's holy book, the Koran, and hitting it with a shoe, the newspaper reported.

Saudi Arabia, the United States' top Arab ally and birthplace of Islam, follows the strict Wahhabi Sunni Muslim school and gives the clergy control over its justice system.

Under the Wahhabi interpretation of Sharia Islamic law, apostasy demands the death penalty, as do some other religious offences like sorcery, while blasphemy and criticism of senior Muslim clerics have incurred jail terms and corporal punishment. "

Yeah.

Democracy is -not- going to change the way that people are treated in Saudi Arabia. It won't even change who is handing out the punishments. It will be many of the same religious clerics who hand them out, now. It will only change who gets paid at the top of the system.

 

[Corgi]

The sooner the better. That's what I always say.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Sad day for humanity.

 

[Power Bottom]

What a disgusting country

 

[Conspirator.]

For those of us who are sane, the Laws of Saudi Arabia are anathema. They persecute homosexuals, prohibit women from driving and much more. This incident further drives the point home.

Oh, and I would not take anything Benjamin King/Bronze says seriously. This guy once compared being insulted about his "gym culture" to calling someone a Nazi, and the plight of the Holocaust victims:

Like I said to HiddenSound, you talk shit and worse pr!ck than any member I've seen. It's funny how you harass my real-life looks and my physique, then you don't want others to harass you for your nationality.

It's simple, be a human being and be respectful to others. Throughout the base, you keep harassing me; it's pretty obvious and everyone can see that. Don't insult my fitness and my looks if you don't want me to insult you as a Nazi. It wouldn't have gotten that far if you haven't been disgusting yourself.

You don't lift at all; so you have no idea how much of a ''hobby'' it feels like to go to the gym. People lift for a LIVING and fat/skinny guys like you have no idea what it feels like.

Once again, people do not know what lifting weights feels like. You people are so ignorant and have no life at all. People get money for the fact all they do is lift weights, and that's they'll do for a living. Lifting weights and fitness is a freaking LIFE and would go as far as a culture for the people who care so much about fitness.

Of course, low-lives like you who are either bulky or skinny would not care, because they don't care about their bodies. You don't lift weight or hardly do 1 rep push up. People can consider music as culture. Same with us, gym guys.

If you don't know anything about that, then stfu. I wasn't going to insult you for Hitler's doings if you hadn't insulted my ''culture'' (yes, going to the gym and lifting weights and anything related to sports) if you hadn't insulted my daily hobby, as well as my real-life looks even though I hadn't done anything directly to HiddenSound, Strict and FloriGlori.

 

[BLAZE]

Lord Raikage in detention dislike the thread :lol

agreed with both Mist and Sparks

 

[Multiply]

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Frankly, I don't believe that is the Saudis who are in favor of doing that so much as the Saudis -have- to do that in order to keep the population halfway content.

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" Unfortunately, we only have the original article discussing the poll results (screen caps below) which was published in Al-Hayat news in Saudi Arabia on July 22, 2014, and that confirm a 92% outcome of support for the Islamic State, but no details or example of all the questions, sources and responses to the poll itself.

That Sunni Muslims are supportive of the Islamic State should come as no surprise to anyone. ISIS represents the core tenents of Islam and the duty each Muslim must do to spread and install Islam around the world. At the same time Saudi authorities are concerned because one of ISIS’s aims is to topple the Saudi royal family. "

Pew Research conducted a poll of various Muslim nations. Saudi Arabia was notably difficult to conduct opinion polling in and results weren't available... however... the trend for regions around Saudi Arabia was thus:

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I find the correction humorous from an ironic standpoint: " Correction: An earlier version of this article incorrectly extrapolated data from the Pew Research Center’s 2013 survey report, “The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society,” regarding the percentage of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan who support the death penalty for leaving Islam. The correct figures, based on the 2013 Pew Research Center report, are 88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion. "

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So... yeah.

If we take the surrounding nations as cues as to what is to be found in Saudi Arabia....

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" An Islamic court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced a man to death for renouncing his Muslim faith, the English-language daily Saudi Gazette reported on Tuesday.

The man, in his 20s, posted an online video ripping up a copy of Islam's holy book, the Koran, and hitting it with a shoe, the newspaper reported.

Saudi Arabia, the United States' top Arab ally and birthplace of Islam, follows the strict Wahhabi Sunni Muslim school and gives the clergy control over its justice system.

Under the Wahhabi interpretation of Sharia Islamic law, apostasy demands the death penalty, as do some other religious offences like sorcery, while blasphemy and criticism of senior Muslim clerics have incurred jail terms and corporal punishment. "

Yeah.

Democracy is -not- going to change the way that people are treated in Saudi Arabia. It won't even change who is handing out the punishments. It will be many of the same religious clerics who hand them out, now. It will only change who gets paid at the top of the system.

You sound like Bill Maher

 

[Aim64C]

You sound like Bill Maher

Yeah.

The liberal socialist and I are in rough agreement on Islam.

Since we've been on the subject, lately in this neck of the forums, Hitler both loved and appreciated Islam.

That should tell you something.