Is he capable of reacting to Kamui thread

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This topic is made to determine whether a character is capable of reacting to the legendary "Kamui snipe". Conditions are these:

The sniper is a healthy War Arc Kakashi, 20 meters is the distance between him and the victim. Everything is allowed if it can save the victim from getting his/her head sent to Kamuiland, who knows that the snipe is coming regardless of sensing capabilities et cetera.

1. War Arc Kakashi (self explanatory, can he react to his own attack?)
2. CM2 Hebi Sasuke
3. War Arc SM Naruto
4. Healthy Itachi
5. Gai (list which gate is required for him to react)
6. SM Jiraiya
7. V2 B
8. 3rd Raikage
9. Healthy Nagato
10. SM Blind Madara
11. EMS Sasuke
12. SM Hashirama

Special scenario, DMS Kakashi is sniping.

1. The Last BSM Naruto
2. DRSM Madara
3. JJ Obito
2. JJ Madara (post Shinju, 1RG)
3. RSM Naruto (no cloak)
4. RG Sasuke
5. Momoshiki (Powered up form)
6. TCM Toneri
 

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Any sensor with Intel should be safe.
 

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L0l so i guess Mu can dodge Kamui as well huh?


Sense build up than leave line of sight or create something in between such as clones/summons/jutsu etc. Simple is it not? But if he's already charged then it gets difficult.
 

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Sense build up than leave line of sight or create something in between such as clones/summons/jutsu etc. Simple is it not? But if he's already charged then it gets difficult.
Kamui build up is non-existent. He managed to use MS and Kamui twice before a Susanoo arrow could hit from literally 15m. Muu doesn't even have clones. L0l are you implying someone can bite their finger and use a summoning before Kamui takes them out the picture?

Muu gets sniped. He isn't getting out of anyone los when his running speed is piss poor compared to what you need to dodge Kamui. His flight isn't fast enough either. V2 Ei needed a shunsui just to dodge Amaterasu while Kamui is even faster than Amaterasu.
 

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Kamui build up is non-existent. He managed to use MS and Kamui twice before a Susanoo arrow could hit from literally 15m. Muu doesn't even have clones. L0l are you implying someone can bite their finger and use a summoning before Kamui takes them out the picture?

Muu gets sniped. He isn't getting out of anyone los when his running speed is piss poor compared to what you need to dodge Kamui. His flight isn't fast enough either. V2 Ei needed a shunsui just to dodge Amaterasu while Kamui is even faster than Amaterasu.

Small Kamui holes cannot even rip Deidara's arm off fully, Any Kamui that hopes to rip or kill instantly have all been charged or had pre chakra stored/given.
 

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Small Kamui holes cannot even rip Deidara's arm off fully, Any Kamui that hopes to rip or kill instantly have all been charged or had pre chakra stored/given.
As long as it can take a head off that's all that's needed.
 

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As long as it can take a head off that's all that's needed.

Fair enough. But!!! The neck and head area would be wayyy more difficult then the arm area that a small Kamui couldn't snipe off. Plus I don't think he can keep a non charged Kamui Hole open for too long.
 

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1. War Arc Kakashi (self explanatory, can he react to his own attack?)

If he knows it's coming, then he can either react with his own, but he might lose since the opposing Kamui is used first.

2. CM2 Hebi Sasuke

He dies since he can't protect himself.

3. War Arc SM Naruto

He can react, but he can't protect himself.

4. Healthy Itachi
He can react, but he can't protect himself.

5. Gai (list which gate is required for him to react)

He can react in 6G, but can only escape in 7th.

6. SM Jiraiya
Same as Naruto.

7. V2 B
8. 3rd Raikage

They can react, but they can't save themselves.

9. Healthy Nagato
10. SM Blind Madara
11. EMS Sasuke
12. SM Hashirama

Nagato dies. Oh wait, according to Zexion, Nagato has reactions capable of reacting to Hiraishin blitz and he was apparently keeping up with KCM Naruto. He should dodge this with ease. :lol (Sarcasm)
Madara easily reacts and blocks with Mokuton, same with Hashirama.
EMS Sasuke dies because he can't protect himself, but not because he can't react.

Inb4 Kamui warp occurs faster than the Sharingan can visually process it. Reacting to Kamui is the same as reacting to Amaterasu, it spawns so you have to act before, which is easy since everyone here apparently knows it's coming regardless of sensing abilities.

1. The Last BSM Naruto
2. DRSM Madara
3. JJ Obito
2. JJ Madara (post Shinju, 1RG)
3. RSM Naruto (no cloak)
4. RG Sasuke
5. Momoshiki (Powered up form)
6. TCM Toneri

Rikudo's power lets Kakashi warp larger objects, but the speed is no different, so all these guys easily evade Kamui let alone react.
 
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If he knows it's coming, then he can either react with his own, but he might lose since the opposing Kamui is used first.



He dies since he can't protect himself.



He can react, but he can't protect himself.


He can react, but he can't protect himself.



He can react in 6G, but can only escape in 7th.


Same as Naruto.



They can react, but they can't save themselves.



Nagato dies.
Madara easily reacts and blocks with Mokuton, same with Hashirama.
EMS Sasuke dies because he can't protect himself, but not because he can't react.

Inb4 Kamui warp occurs faster than the Sharingan can visually process it. Reacting to Kamui is the same as reacting to Amaterasu, it spawns so you have to act before, which is easy since everyone here apparently knows it's coming regardless of sensing abilities.



Rikudo's power lets Kakashi warp larger objects, but the speed is no different, so all these guys easily evade Kamui let alone react.

Couldn't Shadow clones from Itachi (who moves his hands faster then kakashi's eyes) spawn in front?

OP: Are you using Kyubi help or charged kakashi Kamui or just right off bat Standard kakashi Kamui?
 

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Couldn't Shadow clones from Itachi (who moves his hands faster then kakashi's eyes) spawn in front?

OP: Are you using Kyubi help or charged kakashi Kamui or just right off bat Standard kakashi Kamui?

I always imagined that clones would spawn to his side, but if they do spawn in front of him then the warp would be blocked, yeah.
 

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The tricky part about Kamui is that once the warp gets on you, cant escape. That's because it is a wormhole, and regardless of how fast you're physically moving, you can't escape it (save for 8G Gai who can bend space). You need a space/time jutsu at that point. What's also tricky about it is that even if you put up a defense like Susanoo, it can warp things with depth, so you can't simply escape by putting up Susanoo since he'll warp the whole thing (depends though, obviously Kakashi can't warp something as large as PS but he can certainly warp a V3/armored). Yet another tricky thing about Kamui is that its immune to even Gudodama.

If Kakashi actually gets the warp on everyone in set 1, which is extremely likely being it only a 20m distance, no one is surviving because no one has teleportation to escape it. Anyone with a faster shunshin than KCM Naruto will leave his LoS, and thats no one except perhaps SM Madara. 7G/8G Gai should be able to dodge too.

Everyone in set 2 can escape because they have the speed to leave his LoS. If the warp gets on them though highly unlikely because they can all react and shunshin, only Sasuke escapes via Ameno.
 

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Technically,
Hebi Sasuke does have a strategy to protect himself. Simply use a snake to intersect between the two. This would be successful depending on Obito's approach to wrapping his opponent. This this maneuver has demonstrated speed for countering the likes of; Itachi, Kabuto, etc.
 

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This topic is made to determine whether a character is capable of reacting to the legendary "Kamui snipe". Conditions are these:

The sniper is a healthy War Arc Kakashi, 20 meters is the distance between him and the victim. Everything is allowed if it can save the victim from getting his/her head sent to Kamuiland, who knows that the snipe is coming regardless of sensing capabilities et cetera.

1. War Arc Kakashi (self explanatory, can he react to his own attack?)
2. CM2 Hebi Sasuke
3. War Arc SM Naruto
4. Healthy Itachi
5. Gai (list which gate is required for him to react)
6. SM Jiraiya
7. V2 B
8. 3rd Raikage
9. Healthy Nagato
10. SM Blind Madara
11. EMS Sasuke
12. SM Hashirama

Special scenario, DMS Kakashi is sniping.

1. The Last BSM Naruto
2. DRSM Madara
3. JJ Obito
2. JJ Madara (post Shinju, 1RG)
3. RSM Naruto (no cloak)
4. RG Sasuke
5. Momoshiki (Powered up form)
6. TCM Toneri

Scenario 1:

1. War Arc Kakashi (self explanatory, can he react to his own attack?) = Reacts but would still be helpless. Auto-Kamui GG.
2. CM2 Hebi Sasuke = Kamui GG
3. War Arc SM Naruto = Kamui GG
4. Healthy Itachi = Kamui GG
5. Gai (list which gate is required for him to react) = Reacts with 7th Gate and can partially dodge
6. SM Jiraiya = Kamui GG
7. V2 B = Kamui GG
8. 3rd Raikage = Kamui GG
9. Healthy Nagato = Kamui GG
10. SM Blind Madara = Reacts but I don't know if he could actually do something to save himself after Kakashi started to warp him
11. EMS Sasuke = Reacts but Kamui GG
12. SM Hashirama = Reacts but I don't know if he could actually do something to save himself after Kakashi started to warp him

Scenario 2:

1. The Last BSM Naruto = Kamui GG
2. DRSM Madara = Kamui GG
3. JJ Obito = Kamui GG
2. JJ Madara (post Shinju, 1RG) = Reacts but still Kamui GG
3. RSM Naruto (no cloak) = Reacts but still Kamui GG
4. RG Sasuke = Reacts but still Kamui GG
5. Momoshiki (Powered up form) = Reacts but still Kamui GG
6. TCM Toneri = Kamui GG

With a non perfected Kamui, as he couldn't control the size and the position of the space-time barrier for his own admission, Kakashi could have an Akatsuki like Deidara ( )) at his complete mercy ( )) and even warp giant masses in a couple of instants (Deidara's giant explosion ( ))) and then was implied that he could have defeated another one like Kakuzu. Some time after, Kakashi was even willing to fight Tobi, believed as the legendary Madara Uchiha, with Kamui. Some mastered Kamui execution feats (as the 4th databook confirms that Kakashi mastered Kamui by the time of the 4th World War; hence he gained even the ability to teleport himself ( )):

- Kakashi can canonically warp a human body part (an head sized object) in the same time Obito needs to make it intangible and of a movement of 5 cm from KCM Naruto rushing to attack Obito ( )( )
- Kakashi warps away two Susanoo arrows when both are already at half their way and his Sharingan was still the 3T one ( )( )
- Kakashi warps away Minato's Rasengan countered by Juudara really in no time ( ), Minato's arm kicked from Madara was hella fast if we think that Minato's body (obviously heavier and so less fast of the arm) went on Gaara so fast that his auto-defense couldn't activate in time ( ); it also was a completely surprise attack that suddenly come out from Gaara's sand wall that blocked Kakashi's LoS ( ).
- Kakashi warps away a giant arm of the Gedo Mazo while Madara is already summoning it away with instant space-time summoning jutsu ( ) (Minato couldn't do anything in that situation than ask Kakashi taking care of it; Minato of all people couldn't even perceive what happened when Kakashi used Kamui on the Gedo Mazo, and had to ask him if he managed to kill it in time). Madara praised the feat and Kakashi's worthy as a doujutsu user.
- Kakashi feints to warp Naruto's Rasengan and then insta-warps away his body before Obito's Kamui propelled stakes could hit him even with a point blank shot (before Kamui shooted stake that was hitting BM Naruto could move for more than a couple of cm), managing to make Obito think that Kakashi missed and he succesfully hit the clone ( )( )( ) when actually Kakashi changed his warp from Naruto's Rasengan to his entire body, warping it with such speed and timing that Obito (with full knowledge ( ) and top tier reactions boosted by Mangekyo and Rinnegan eyes) couldn't notice or perceive it. That was when Kakashi was moving fast ( )( ) and wasn't that close to the objective ( ).
- Kakashi with a Kurama chakra supply (that was said to have increased 3x the power of his jutsu) could warp the Hachibi in the Kamui dimension and then re-warp it in the real world, and then finished all the chakra ( )( )( ). Taking on account that Kakashi used also some chakra right before to travel between the Kamui world and the real world, I'd say it is pretty much clear that without any chakra supply he can warp a mass that is slightly bigger than 1/3 of the Hachibi (so also Kamui GG his head or any Bijuu's head with relative ease, with the fast execution shown against the Gedo Mazo... or things like a V4 Susanoo from Itachi).

So Kakashi can Kamui away human head sized objects in a more or less instant time and even with fast moving objects/people and unpredictable situations. And he can Kamui away human body sized objects in also nearly istant times, and even giant objects. Thanks to the Kurama's chakra supply from Naruto, Kakashi's Kamui was depicted as a dangerous threat for even the Juubi. Just read what is said from databook about Kakashi's Kamui (and that was when it wasn't perfected yet... it was also stated in the 3rd databook that Shippuden Kakashi was still growing in power and has to completely master his Mangekyo Sharingan ( ) which is what he reached in the time of War Arc as stated by Obito and by the 4th databook) ( )( ) and what Kakashi says after having faced the Rinnegan (knowing all its powers as he created counters to them together with Gai ( )) and being against one believed to be Uchiha Madara and not only that but also wielding the Rinnegan ( ). Kakashi's Kamui warped away even Juubi's jinchuriki Madara's Onmyoton Release who nullifies all not senjutsu and not Rikudo enhanced ninjutsu ( )( ). Not even going with DMS Rikudo Kakashi.

DMS Rikudo Kakashi's long range Kamui has proven to be faster than Kaguya's S/T, that was outspeeded and warped away by Kakashi before its portal even managed to completely open and teleport the bone that should have attacked Naruto ( )( ), the same S/T that Rinnegan Rikudo Sasuke couldn't react to ( )( ) and Rikudo Naruto reacted and dodged only barely, that's even if they both already witnessed it, being already unable to react to its speed ( )( ) (when Kakashi was casually able to, even using his S/T faster to stop it); it's interesting how both Naruto and Sasuke were fast enough to casually counter Juudara's Linbo ( )( ), Naruto could dodge it even in base form ( ), but both were heavily pressured by Kaguya's S/T (Sasuke wasn't even able to defense in time) and Kakashi's long range Kamui outspeeded that completely.

Kamui GG > your favourite character, by feats, and even by hype and portrayal, anyway.
 

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If he knows it's coming, then he can either react with his own, but he might lose since the opposing Kamui is used first.



He dies since he can't protect himself.



He can react, but he can't protect himself.


He can react, but he can't protect himself.



He can react in 6G, but can only escape in 7th.


Same as Naruto.



They can react, but they can't save themselves.



Nagato dies. Oh wait, according to Zexion, Nagato has reactions capable of reacting to Hiraishin blitz and he was apparently keeping up with KCM Naruto. He should dodge this with ease. :lol (Sarcasm)
Madara easily reacts and blocks with Mokuton, same with Hashirama.
EMS Sasuke dies because he can't protect himself, but not because he can't react.

Inb4 Kamui warp occurs faster than the Sharingan can visually process it. Reacting to Kamui is the same as reacting to Amaterasu, it spawns so you have to act before, which is easy since everyone here apparently knows it's coming regardless of sensing abilities.



Rikudo's power lets Kakashi warp larger objects, but the speed is no different, so all these guys easily evade Kamui let alone react.


:lmao:
 

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1. War Arc Kakashi (self explanatory, can he react to his own attack?)-

Reacting means that the sniper Kakashi is the first one to attack and this Kakashi is the one to react, meaning the sniper Kamui spawns first. Victim Kakashi gets warped.

2. CM2 Hebi Sasuke

He couldn't dodge Amaterasu, and Kamui is just faster than it. The skin change he stole from Orochimaru is useless since if the whole body gets warped then he'd just substitute on the other dimension

3. War Arc SM Naruto

Gets warped. If Naruto makes clones, Kakashi simply never loses sight of the real one. And warps him. Not to mention, that with the large objects Kakashi has warped before, it's safe to say that if Naruto puts a clone in front of himself to block Kakashi's LoS, the clone and the real one would get both warped. Not to mention, Kamui spawns before the clones do.

4. Healthy Itachi

Warped away. His only hope is to pull out Susano of the bat (he can pull it out fast enough to block kirin so he can pull it at the beggining to block Kamui), but with Kakashi's gedo mazo's arm feat, it's safe to assume he can just warp the whole susano away. Not to mention Susano is transparent, so Kakashi just ignores it and warps itachi's body.

5. Gai (list which gate is required for him to react)

At 7th gate Gai dodges it (he gets out of Kakashi's LoS)

6. SM Jiraiya

Warped

7. V2 B

If his speed is close to v2 Ay's then yes he dodges it. Tho he doesn't have feats like that.

8. 3rd Raikage

Kamui GG

9. Healthy Nagato

Dies


10. SM Blind Madara

Iffy one. His SM should allow him to sense the almost instant build up. And his speed is close to Ay's, so he could dodge. It depends in how does he realize a kamui warp is coming

11. EMS Sasuke

Susano is transparent, he can't shield from it

12. SM Hashirama

Blocks with mokuton


Special scenario, DMS Kakashi is sniping.

1. The Last BSM Naruto
2. DRSM Madara
3. JJ Obito
2. JJ Madara (post Shinju, 1RG)
3. RSM Naruto (no cloak)
4. RG Sasuke
5. Momoshiki (Powered up form)
6. TCM Toneri

Kakashi's kamui speed is not faster with rikudo power up. These guys would dodge it
 
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