Muu vs Deva

[Apêx1]

Smh. You cannot be serious. Can we stop reaching and grasping at straws? Even with a Manga panel that literally obliterates your nonsense argument yet you continue to argue. Jesus Christ. Some people. :lol

1. Stop mentioning it being connected with his senses, because that is what allows him to feel the presence of the intruder. When you can show me how that 100% means that he knows their location, then we can talk. Until then, you have no argument, so stop trying. Nothing even outright proves your argument, you are merely reaching and grasping at straws and twisting a description that only means he can feel their existence with the rain.

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2. What in the actual hell are you even talking about? You literally make no sense here. None whatsoever. What in the hell does him using the rain to find Jiraiya have to do with where his paths fight Jiraiya? Oh wait, nothing. If Deva could've used the rain to locate Jiraiya, he would've used said rain to locate Jiraiya and cancelled it when he found him.

Then there's the fact that Deva Path made it clear that he only knew that an intruder had entered the village. He didn't know where the intruder entered nor did he know where he last felt the intruder's presence as he didn't tell Konan any of that shit. Because he can't tell their location. Not. Debatable. So stop trying.

1. By your logic he simply knows when rain drops in general are obstructed. But that's clearly not the case if EVERY rain drop is connected to his senses INTIMATELY. You're literally denying DB entry. If the 584,000th rain drop is obstructed he will know where his opponent is based on that. Stop trying to deny what the Databook makes CLEAR.

2. Yet Deva wasn't the one who was searching for Jiraiya, so what's the point of keeping it active since he sent Konan for that purpose? This is literally your only evidence against why the raindrops are not closely linked to Deva's senses, and there are a variety of interpretations you can take to prevent contradiction between the DB and the manga, yet you choose the only flawed one which presents contradiction with the manga and DB. That's not how it works buddy.

Please stop with the shitty reaching. If this is all you have to provide then it's clear how wrong you are. This paragraph boils down to you saying they aren't the same because "lol I said so". Your opinion with no facts is something I don't care for. They are exactly the same. Period. The only difference is that one is visual, and one isn't. You saying "how they work is what allows sensing to increase reaction speed" doesn't matter to me when it's just another vague statement, since you know when you get down to the basics, they are exactly the same.

-Shared Vision=Increasing field of vision w/ multiple sets of eyes.
-Sensiong=Increasing field of perception, but it's not visual.

And quit mentioning the goddamn 3rd eye example when not only do you have no real evidence to support 99.9% of your nonsense claims, Shared Vision and the 3rd eye don't work the same. Gaara cuts off vision from his right eye (or left?) and transmits all signals to his 3rd eye, and vice versa. :lol That's how I know that you are reaching.

-Retarded argument.
-Yet you have to reach in order to counter.

Lord. :lol Let's stop with the BS.

Lmao, this is wall of fail level shit right here. I won't even bother arguing this topic since I'll just be restating what I already said, we can put this up at DoU and let them judge because what you are trying to suggest has to be one of the most retarded things I have seen in quite some time.

 

[KidGamer65]

1. By your logic he simply knows when rain drops in general are obstructed. But that's clearly not the case if EVERY rain drop is connected to his senses INTIMATELY. You're literally denying DB entry. If the 584,000th rain drop is obstructed he will know where his opponent is based on that. Stop trying to deny what the Databook makes CLEAR.

Please cut the bullshit. Arguing against Manga fact...lmfao. Keep on coming with "stop denying the databook" when the databook doesn't say what you want it to say nor will it ever say what you want it to say. Period. Databook states that the rain drops are linked to his senses, meaning when the rain drop hits the opponent, he feels that someone is in the vicinity. The DB goes on further to explain the effects of the rain jutsu, and it states one thing and one thing only:

"Pain can sense the presence of intruders"

End of story. There is no location finding involved. Konan having to locate Jiraiya so Pain could confront him ends any and all logical debate on the matter.

2. Yet Deva wasn't the one who was searching for Jiraiya, so what's the point of keeping it active since he sent Konan for that purpose? This is literally your only evidence against why the raindrops are not closely linked to Deva's senses, and there are a variety of interpretations you can take to prevent contradiction between the DB and the manga, yet you choose the only flawed one which presents contradiction with the manga and DB. That's not how it works buddy.

-Says Pain wasn't looking for Jiraiya. (is this a joke?)
-Pain confronted Jiraiya later on with the purpose of taking him out (intruder)
-Tries to make "sneak attack excuse".
-Ignoring the fact that Pain can locate Jiraiya and sneak attack on his own if he wanted to, or rather if he could.

There is only one interpretation, all others are 100% wrong. Rain does not locate people. Not now, not ever. Not stated in the DB, not stated in the Manga. Deva needs to find the intruder, yet has Konan locate him so he can confront him. :lol Let's cut the BS.

Lmao, this is wall of fail level shit right here. I won't even bother arguing this topic since I'll just be restating what I already said, we can put this up at DoU and let them judge because what you are trying to suggest has to be one of the most retarded things I have seen in quite some time.

Go ahead, because at the end of the day, I'm right and that's all that matters here.

 

[Curse Mark]

L0l @ Muu turning objects invisible.​

lmao what. he turns the cloth on himself invisible and his swords.

Mu can't make objects invisible haters be mad. Unless someone can provide a scan of him doing so? Didn't think so.​

Just did chimp

 

[Draegod]

Deva can take imo. Cool match-up tho. Need more like this.

How is it a cool match up? It's either one kills the other fast or one solos in one move after 15 seconds. Literally no thinking long term and not a long fight at all. Horrible match up it's just like every madara vs X match up with literally only 1 thing being stated "ps GG" and everything revolving around that notion

 

[TRE MERCER]

lmao what. he turns the cloth on himself invisible and his swords.



Just did chimp

Clown this is anime clothes are like apart of the characters skin. Roushi covered his entire self in Lava i guess his clothes are lava proof. Muu never turned his weapons invisible.​

 

[RedRobin]

lmao what. he turns the cloth on himself invisible and his swords.

Seriously what kinda BS evidence is that. Clothes adapt with the user's justu. Always have.

Also we have never seen him go invisible with swords, he did not have them as an edo.

 

[KidGamer65]

You people need to cut the bull. Mu's jutsu works by bending the light around him using water vapor. Thus Mu and anything he's holding will be covered.

 

[Zexion~]

Shouldn't water in general negate the water vaper then?

Basically steam right? Rain cools down the air = no more steam.


Or it should at least physically interupt the vapor somehow.

 

[KidGamer65]

Mu is the one using Suiton to produce the water vapor, so unless Mu stops producing it, the jutsu doesn't stop or get disrupted.

 

[Zexion~]

Mu is the one using Suiton to produce the water vapor, so unless Mu stops producing it, the jutsu doesn't stop or get disrupted.

He uses it continuously?

 

[KidGamer65]

He uses it continuously?

Obviously.

 

[Zexion~]

Obviously.

Not obviously, as putting a coat of steam over you would be enough smh.

-Deva uses rain jutsu
-Rain contain chakra
-Deva sees chakra
-Rain lands on Mu
-Deva sees where rain is interupted
-Knows where Mu is.

May be alot to do but Mu isn't going to be traveling high speed if he has to continously cast this jutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not obviously, as putting a coat of steam over you would be enough smh.

-Deva uses rain jutsu
-Rain contain chakra
-Deva sees chakra
-Rain lands on Mu
-Deva sees where rain is interupted
-Knows where Mu is.

May be alot to do but Mu isn't going to be traveling high speed if he has to continously cast this jutsu.

So basically what Icelerate suggested in the thread? Yes, that could work.

 

[RedRobin]

Not obviously, as putting a coat of steam over you would be enough smh.

-Deva uses rain jutsu
-Rain contain chakra
-Deva sees chakra
-Rain lands on Mu
-Deva sees where rain is interupted
-Knows where Mu is.

May be alot to do but Mu isn't going to be traveling high speed if he has to continously cast this jutsu.

Its not even that hard. Uses rain justu and sees where rain is being disrupted. Its not about sensing chakra, its just seeing with your eyes.

 

[Zexion~]

So basically what Icelerate suggested in the thread? Yes, that could work.

Its harder to see the rain with plain sight being disrupted :lol added that part.

Its not even that hard. Uses rain justu and sees where rain is being disrupted. Its not about sensing chakra, its just seeing with your eyes.

Seeing rain being disrupted in a heavy rain storm is hard enough to do, viewing chakra makes it a bit easier as I'm pretty sure it focuses on the chakra only.

 

[RedRobin]

Its harder to see the rain with plain sight being disrupted :lol added that part.




Seeing rain being disrupted in a heavy rain storm is hard enough to do, viewing chakra makes it a bit easier as I'm pretty sure it focuses on the chakra only.

No its even easier. More drops that fall the more his form gets shown.

 

[Zexion~]

No its even easier. More drops that fall the more his form gets shown.

Not really as the rain in front may block him from being able to accuaretly view the shape of Mu.

 

[Unorthodox]

4 pages still have not seen a single counter to Ct in the first 15 seconds.

 

[Lytes]

Deva wins with gedo statue