Edo Hiruzen vs Obito

[AlphaMaleLion]

Obito wins pretty easily

 

[Selan]

Lol, nonsense thread. Obito fodderstomptrolls Hiruzen with Kamui.

 

[Lord Tywin]

EJB, lets be real now. Stop spouting garbage, and actually provide a legit way for Hiruzen to counter Kamui. What I'm saying isn't honestly better than the dogshit I'm seeing in a park.

No feat suggest it does. Being "big" doesn't support your claim that it will. It went right pass 1tail Kurama cloak and couldn't even break apart debris from the ground like a concentrated C rank Katon could.

Obito wasn't pointing his katon to the ground.
Katon was sending the ninjas off the ground

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Naruto's cloak was strong enough to repel giant ass kunais and Yasaka Magtamas

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This shit goes to Naruto's cloak durability. What does Hiruzen have? Oh fanfic right out of your ass

Nope no evidence for that. A flame thrower is put out when the user stops it. A fireball jutsu is what continues without the user needing to continuously release it.

smh the fire Obito spits has to go for a certain distance. When obito stops spitting fire, there is already fire heading towards Hiruzen. Hiruzen has to deal with it, or get hit. When Hiruzen is dealing with the fire coming toward him, Obito teleports behind him. Simple concept

Nope, no evidence.

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Naruto was distracted here, and would have got caught if not for Kakashi shouting out. Same thing happens with Hiruzen, but with no one to warn him.
Also there is the fact that KCM Naruto's sensory skills>>>>>Hiruzen.

Not when they can counter it with his own giants ass shurikens coded with elements, which will multiply more then his. Or repealed by Enma, even though they are avoidable. Bursting another katon from that range you put him against Hiruzens is a lost against his own elements. Plus the fact he will have someone waiting from him underground.

So Hiruzen would summon shurikens when Obito is already behind him, and the fact that Hiruzen has no idea Obito is behind him?:lol cut the bullshit

Dont matter how you interpret it, its still slower[

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] so quit the crying and the wank. Having Obito warp to Hiruzen is a lost. Can't differentiate clones and physically touching him means he get bind via Nara Clan. Can't wait until you show me stating "Hiruzen's sensory abilities to Yamanaka". Like I litteraly only brought that up to further helps his reaction just like any sensor in the manga does compare to a non sensor.

oh boy this is ironic :lol He says I'm crying, but when I proved him wrong in that Gengetsu vs KCM Naruto thread, he was caught up in the feelings. "oh nobody should be insulted", but dude was blatantly denying fact. Grow a pair.
1. Obito has no need for wrapping
2. Shurikens shit on Hiruzen's clones
I keep bringing up what actually happened in the manga, and this dumbass is using his own interpretation. Obito wasn't being fast during Fuu fight. We've seen his true speed in multiple other fights.
You're bringing up Fuu sensing Obito's chakra, and implying that Hiruzen can do the same. He can't. Fuu is a better sensor, but Obito wasn't trying against him. Karin is a better sensor than Fuu. She couldn't sense Obito's chakra inside an active jinton. Naruto is a better sensor than Hiruzen. He couldn't tell where Obito was without Kakashi notifying him. I showed it above. INB4 EJB denies facts again. Obito doesn't have to wrap clones to get rid of them. You're one of the dumbasses that think Kamui's wrapping ability is the only thing Obito can do, when he can do so much more to clones.

Let me make this simple for you. Stop the wank. Everyone here is aware Obito can react to Hiruzen moveset. But the only way Obito can take out Edo Hiruzen is sending them to Kamui world (physical touch) and Chakra rods (still needs physical encounter). Which works perfectly for Hiruzen.

lmao this shit is more than funny
But if we're playing by your retarded logic, if Obito is trying to wrap Hiruzen to the kamui dimension, Hiruzen would have no time to react. Minato needed FTG to get out of its absorption. INB4 Hiruzen is faster than Minato in reaction time, or executing techniques.

-Repeating a irrelevant point isn't going to make you more right. Does Naruto have jutsu that can bypass Kamui? Nope. Does Hiruzen? Yup. I can make a list of reason why bringing up KCM Naruto encounter is irrelevant.
-I already explained Shadow possession usage above.
-Since you thought these scans are relevant. Please explain what I already know about these scans. A shadow clone decoy, slipping through Obito whopty-doo. Hiruzen's clone dont go out by a swap.

KCM fight is for your dumbass to see CQC with Obito is absolute rape for Hiruzen.
Shadow possession is ****ing dumb. Full teleportation lets obito to get free. He won't get caught in the first hand though.
My man did you say Hiruzen's clones don't go out with a swap, when KCM clones went out with a strike?

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Man fanfic right out of ass fits this the best

The only scan I find relevant in this match up is this[

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], which Base Guy, KCM Naruto, and MS Kakashi (Fuu and Torune) all have different physical stats proves its not relevant when attempting to counter Kamui.

*sigh*

Again not relevant who you think is inferior/superior in these stat category. If its superior then Orochimaru physical stats then you have no argument to claim its one sided. No evidence that he can overpower Kakashi physically, just like Kamui world so they are = in physical states, overall with jutsu is not relevant to my point. Now you just need to accept that the only argument you can provide of Obito's victory is what I already mentioned above. 1. Suck him into Kamui world or 2) Pin him down with chakra rods.

you're done

 

[Beans2]

-This assumes that Obito has the capability to run through Hiruzen's clones like they are fodder, but he can't. Any widespread elemental jutsu forces them to go ghost mode entirely, meaning Hiruzen is completely safe from the incoming attack. Then that assumes that he can dominate them with his Shuriken and Ninja Tools when in reality Hiruzen would effortlessly block all of them with Enma or his own Shuriken spam. The only way his clones die like this is if they stay and try to kill Obito in CQC despite none of their attacks working.

A clone uses an attack to make Obito go ghost mode entirely, then Obito uses the elemental attack as cover to go

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, taking them out from behind the same way Minato almost was then he can go back into kamui and kill each clone with Katon, unless that's considered BFR. In that case, then there's also the options of getting right in the clone's face and forcing genjutsu on them, or warping a giant shuriken at Hiruzen's head from behind at point blank range.

-There is no "react in time". It's automatic until he turns it off to warp. And like I said, Mind Body Control hits him regardless of Kamui or not.

Hiruzen has no way of knowing whether Obito is ghost mode or not, and Mind body control gives the user side effects if it misses...I think. It would be too risky for Hiruzen to use.

-All his clones using Suiton blocks Katon.

That seems like a lot of effort being put in to just counter a katon.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

EJB, lets be real now. Stop spouting garbage, and actually provide a legit way for Hiruzen to counter Kamui. What I'm saying isn't honestly better than the dogshit I'm seeing in a park.

@Bold I agree Lol.

In summary: Diversionary tactics are used with clones. Hiruzen safest option is to land Shadow possession at close range encounter, which shouldn't be too difficult for someone like Shikimaru could do. Plus the fact that it possible to channel Yin Release chakra into weapons[

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], keep in mind chakra blades shouldn't be required for a master in nature altercation. Shiruken Clone spam, channeled with Yin means Obito would not expect his shadow would be aimed at from the start (as he would expect Hiruzen attempting overwhelm him instead[

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]. So that two options of successful countering Kamui.

Obito wasn't pointing his katon to the ground.
Katon was sending the ninjas off the ground

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Naruto's cloak was strong enough to repel giant ass kunais and Yasaka Magtamas

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This shit goes to Naruto's cloak durability. What does Hiruzen have? Oh fanfic right out of your ass

-Yes he was, he was above the SA streaming fire, so he has to shoot down at them, just like how use see the flames covering underneath them too ( and just how he teleported above Naruto)
-Nope read the scans again, that was Juubi smashing the ground, leveling them
-Never ever made claims that Hiruzen durability blocks it, so not wasting time on that point.

smh the fire Obito spits has to go for a certain distance. When obito stops spitting fire, there is already fire heading towards Hiruzen. Hiruzen has to deal with it, or get hit. When Hiruzen is dealing with the fire coming toward him, Obito teleports behind him. Simple concept

Theres fire heading towards Hiruzen because Obito is streaming it. When the fire stops steaming the fire stops simple. Hiruzen and a clone waits for him, when the other clones are the ones countering it.

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Naruto was distracted here, and would have got caught if not for Kakashi shouting out. Same thing happens with Hiruzen, but with no one to warn him.
Also there is the fact that KCM Naruto's sensory skills>>>>>Hiruzen.

So you post a scan proving me right? Flame stops, then Obito teleports. And nope, Hiruzen isnt distracted with clones support.

So Hiruzen would summon shurikens when Obito is already behind him, and the fact that Hiruzen has no idea Obito is behind him?:lol cut the bullshit

Your premise was having Obito Katon distract them. I had Hiruzen use only 3 clones to counter Katon, Hiruzen hiding underground waiting, and 1 Clone acting as the orignal. Who could have a Fuma Shiruken with him the whole time. So each clone and Hiruzen carries their own tracking priorities.

oh boy this is ironic :lol He says I'm crying, but when I proved him wrong in that Gengetsu vs KCM Naruto thread, he was caught up in the feelings. "oh nobody should be insulted", but dude was blatantly denying fact. Grow a pair.

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1. Obito has no need for wrapping
2. Shurikens shit on Hiruzen's clones
I keep bringing up what actually happened in the manga, and this dumbass is using his own interpretation. Obito wasn't being fast during Fuu fight. We've seen his true speed in multiple other fights.
You're bringing up Fuu sensing Obito's chakra, and implying that Hiruzen can do the same. He can't. Fuu is a better sensor, but Obito wasn't trying against him. Karin is a better sensor than Fuu. She couldn't sense Obito's chakra inside an active jinton. Naruto is a better sensor than Hiruzen. He couldn't tell where Obito was without Kakashi notifying him. I showed it above. INB4 EJB denies facts again. Obito doesn't have to wrap clones to get rid of them. You're one of the dumbasses that think Kamui's wrapping ability is the only thing Obito can do, when he can do so much more to clones.

1. Good, that would mean easier tactics for Hiruzen
2. Not with Enma clones staff and their own Shiruken, that will overpower his due to element enhance.
3. Me saying this scenario are irrelevant =/= making a different interpretation. Baseless @Bold, @Underline proof?
Nope, if anything i implied Hiruzen better physical reaction plus sensor means he can do the same. Rest are irrelevant and Kakashi notifying Naruto isn't evidence, not when Obito had Jins for distractions, until he was capable of capturing Naruto.

Can't wait for you to share @Italic

lmao this shit is more than funny
But if we're playing by your retarded logic, if Obito is trying to wrap Hiruzen to the kamui dimension, Hiruzen would have no time to react. Minato needed FTG to get out of its absorption. INB4 Hiruzen is faster than Minato in reaction time, or executing techniques.

@Bold:Baseless. Hiruzen strategy is to get caught, or a clone. Since Nara jutsu, shadow works the moment theirs contact.

KCM fight is for your dumbass to see CQC with Obito is absolute rape for Hiruzen.
Shadow possession is ****ing dumb. Full teleportation lets obito to get free. He won't get caught in the first hand though.

Never said anything about Hiruzen beating him in CQC dumbass. The whole premise is to trick him, period. @Underline Lol no he can't dumbass, he has to follow the Nara's ability movement. Dont be ignoring how the jutsu works and dont be ignoring canon[

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My man did you say Hiruzen's clones don't go out with a swap, when KCM clones went out with a strike?

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Man fanfic right out of ass fits this the best

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Unless you can show me KCM clones refusing to go down, and not "poof" by direct hits. You have no argument.

Hur your done Hur

 

[Lord Tywin]

@Bold I agree Lol.

Let me give you a medal for noticing a typo

In summary: Diversionary tactics are used with clones. Hiruzen safest option is to land Shadow possession at close range encounter, which shouldn't be too difficult for someone like Shikimaru could do. Plus the fact that it possible to channel Yin Release chakra into weapons[

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], keep in mind chakra blades shouldn't be required for a master in nature altercation. Shiruken Clone spam, channeled with Yin means Obito would not expect his shadow would be aimed at from the start (as he would expect Hiruzen attempting overwhelm him instead[

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]. So that two options of successful countering Kamui.

The first step is to catch Obito at the first place. Hiruzen's shadow manipulation has to be fast enough to catch Obito. Which it isn't. You have no proof for that. More bullshit in bold.

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The only reason Shikamaru could was because of the special metal of the blades. Makes your strategy here shit and moot.

-Yes he was, he was above the SA streaming fire, so he has to shoot down at them, just like how use see the flames covering underneath them too ( and just how he teleported above Naruto)
-Nope read the scans again, that was Juubi smashing the ground, leveling them
-Never ever made claims that Hiruzen durability blocks it, so not wasting time on that point.

The fire was parallel to the ground. Don't know what you're arguing there
See the ninja being knocked back by the fire around him

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If you could understand a simple sentence, you wouldn't say the bold. Naruto cloaks's durability and strength>waterwall. What I was saying. Not Hiruzen's durability.

Theres fire heading towards Hiruzen because Obito is streaming it. When the fire stops steaming the fire stops simple. Hiruzen and a clone waits for him, when the other clones are the ones countering it.

Let us go back to kindergarten, and draw some illustrations

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That's the length of Obito's fire relase. That fire is continuous, and will stop moving where it meets its opposing force, which in this case is Hiruzen. Hiruzen has to keep up his water wall for a certain amount of time, to block every ounce of fire. Obito spits a katon this big, then teleports behind hiruzen. Hiruzen at the moment is preoccupied with countering every last bit of fire coming towards him, and has to keep up his waterwall for it.

So you post a scan proving me right? Flame stops, then Obito teleports. And nope, Hiruzen isnt distracted with clones support.

Hiruzen would direct every clone's attention to the upcoming huge ass fire.

Your premise was having Obito Katon distract them. I had Hiruzen use only 3 clones to counter Katon, Hiruzen hiding underground waiting, and 1 Clone acting as the orignal. Who could have a Fuma Shiruken with him the whole time. So each clone and Hiruzen carries their own tracking priorities.

3 clone level of water output isn't enough to counter Obito's katon. Obito can see Hiruzen underground with sharingan, while Hiruzen has no idea what is happening on top when Obito is popping right behind Hiruzen's clones.

1. Good, that would mean easier tactics for Hiruzen
2. Not with Enma clones staff and their own Shiruken, that will overpower his due to element enhance.
3. Me saying this scenario are irrelevant =/= making a different interpretation. Baseless @Bold, @Underline proof?
Nope, if anything i implied Hiruzen better physical reaction plus sensor means he can do the same. Rest are irrelevant and Kakashi notifying Naruto isn't evidence, not when Obito had Jins for distractions, until he was capable of capturing Naruto.

Hiruzen and his clones can't protect themselves from shurikens with Obito popping up behind them unexpectedly.
yeah man Obito popping behind Fuu, with Obito's back being turned to Fuu is completely baseless, and shows Obito going all out

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Underline is what makes you a blind fool. When Obito actually was semi serious

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Caught Torune instantly

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Teleporting so fast that he caught Fuu before he could make his back straight.

Where are the goddamn jins in this part of the fight?

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Simple as it can get. Naruto, a better sensor than Hiruzen, couldn't tell where Obito was before Kakashi shouted to him. I hope this is the last of this autistic argument from you.

Can't wait for you to share @Italic

Have no clue what you're saying. Where is the Italic?

@Bold:Baseless. Hiruzen strategy is to get caught, or a clone. Since Nara jutsu, shadow works the moment theirs contact.

His clones get caught with shurikens summoned from Kamui. No contact. A hit from a gunbai would make the clones pop before they could bind Obito with shadow
let me ask. What do you think will happen even if Hiruzen catches Obito with shadow?

Never said anything about Hiruzen beating him in CQC dumbass. The whole premise is to trick him, period. @Underline Lol no he can't dumbass, he has to follow the Nara's ability movement. Dont be ignoring how the jutsu works and dont be ignoring canon[

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Oh man just when I thought you couldn't get more retarded. Obito doesn't need any body movements to use Kamui.

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Unless you can show me KCM clones refusing to go down, and not "poof" by direct hits. You have no argument.

Hur your done Hur

So the fuck what? Naruto blocked swords with his bare arms, but was shat on by a hit from gunbai

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[TRE MERCER]

How is it a Stomp?

Shadow Clone/Feint and Shadow Possession is too dangerous for Kamui

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[Brother Numpsay]

The first step is to catch Obito at the first place. Hiruzen's shadow manipulation has to be fast enough to catch Obito. Which it isn't. You have no proof for that. More bullshit in bold.

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The only reason Shikamaru could was because of the special metal of the blades. Makes your strategy here shit and moot.

Already said how. Attempting to deal with clones, means he gets distracted. Or wait until Obito gets Close quarters.
@Bold: The burden of proof is on you since you think Shadow possession have different speed, "depending on the caster".
All you did was prove the only reason Shikimaru could. And gave a scan to even a beginner (Naruto) capable of using simply channeling it. Using chakra nature without chakra knife is possible as via chakra manipulation, since the knife can work for beginners. But it actually requires skill then a chakra knife.

The fire was parallel to the ground. Don't know what you're arguing there
See the ninja being knocked back by the fire around him

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If you could understand a simple sentence, you wouldn't say the bold. Naruto cloaks's durability and strength>waterwall. What I was saying. Not Hiruzen's durability.

Look at Juubi's arm. It smash downward, and you can see a shadow underneath it. Both Madara and Obito are above the shadow, meaning they are at a higher leverage then the SA.

Either you think cloak is stronger defnece then 3 Buijuu layer Suiton can be a different story, whichi I wont waste my time one. Suiton>Katon to begin with. No evidence/feats shows it will overpower the whole thing

Let us go back to kindergarten, and draw some illustrations

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That's the length of Obito's fire relase. That fire is continuous, and will stop moving where it meets its opposing force, which in this case is Hiruzen. Hiruzen has to keep up his water wall for a certain amount of time, to block every ounce of fire. Obito spits a katon this big, then teleports behind hiruzen. Hiruzen at the moment is preoccupied with countering every last bit of fire coming towards him, and has to keep up his waterwall for it.

Until you have evidence for bold, Im not wasting my time.

Hiruzen would direct every clone's attention to the upcoming huge ass fire.

Who's arguing for Hiruzen? Me or You? I made the claim on how Hiruzen would fight and does what deems necessary.

3 clone level of water output isn't enough to counter Obito's katon. Obito can see Hiruzen underground with sharingan, while Hiruzen has no idea what is happening on top when Obito is popping right behind Hiruzen's clones.

Still waiting for proof for bold. Obito isn't going to see it in time when distracted, same thing happen to Itachi and Sasuke. Yes Hiruzen will have an idea: Not only can he sense/track chakra, Earth style Mole tech enables them by sensing the magnetic forces. They can also sense what is happening on the surface and use that information to launch a surprise attack on the enemy.

Hiruzen and his clones can't protect themselves from shurikens with Obito popping up behind them unexpectedly.
yeah man Obito popping behind Fuu, with Obito's back being turned to Fuu is completely baseless, and shows Obito going all out

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Yes they can, you have Obito physically teleporting already, meaning no intangibility and then have him open Kamui again to shoot the Kunai's. And then you think he can simultaneous warp again. Lol

Underline is what makes you a blind fool. When Obito actually was semi serious

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Caught Torune instantly

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Teleporting so fast that he caught Fuu before he could make his back straight.

"Semi" Lol still making stuff up is not an argument fool.
Torune didnt get caught instantly, otherwise he wouldnt have time to make all his nano channel all over his body. It was instantly the moment he caught him. Either way not relevent since Hiruzen has better reaction then them. And is waiting for Obito to think his open, only to make contact to their Shadows.

Where are the goddamn jins in this part of the fight?

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Simple as it can get. Naruto, a better sensor than Hiruzen, couldn't tell where Obito was before Kakashi shouted to him. I hope this is the last of this autistic argument from you.

I was explaining a different scenario dumbass. Obito already had an advantage with a different scenario and yet couldnt catch Naruto. And your claiming that Obito was less advantage "could" of worked out better.

Have no clue what you're saying. Where is the Italic?

Italic is where you said: "You're one of the dumbasses that think Kamui's wrapping ability is the only thing Obito can do, when he can do so much more to clones.


So Im waiting.

His clones get caught with shurikens summoned from Kamui. No contact. A hit from a gunbai would make the clones pop before they could bind Obito with shadow
let me ask. What do you think will happen even if Hiruzen catches Obito with shadow?

Addressed.
Once Obito is caught, he can't do nothing. So he dies by any option Hiruzen decides to finish it.

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Oh man just when I thought you couldn't get more retarded. Obito doesn't need any body movements to use Kamui.

I though you couldnt get any more retarded. Obito can't use any jutsu under shadow possession. Otherwise Shadow possession couldnt canonically work.

So the fuck what? Naruto blocked swords with his bare arms, but was shat on by a hit from gunbai

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Did Naruto block gunbai?

Blocking a move isnt the same as getting hit by the move dumbass.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I though you couldnt get any more retarded. Obito can't use any jutsu under shadow possession. Otherwise Shadow possession couldnt canonically work.

Hahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahha.......*gasps for air* hahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahh
according to EJB a technique that blocks body movements prevents someone from using a technique that requires no body movement. How can I argue with someone this simple?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahha.......*gasps for air* hahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahh
according to EJB a technique that blocks body movements prevents someone from using a technique that requires no body movement. How can I argue with someone this simple?

Your laughing at canon:

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Only Kratos:

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[Lord Tywin]

Your laughing at canon:

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Only Kratos:

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Man this is funny on so many levels. Your top notch logic says just because Obito didn't use Kamui, he couldn't, because hur durr Shadow possession. Oh man I'm just not gonna bother with this shit. Thank you for making my night.

 

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Man this is funny on so many levels. Your top notch logic says just because Obito didn't use Kamui, he couldn't, because hur durr Shadow possession. Oh man I'm just not gonna bother with this shit. Thank you for making my night.

Its funny since because thats exactly what manga shows. Its funny that you think he could of warp or phase out anytime, when needed his ass saved with Gedo.

Concession accepted, Good night.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Funny thing is that Obito used his rinnegan to control Gedou Mazou there. Call it what you want though. Folks, just remember: Shadown possession technique, a technique that controls your body movements, can also stop techniques not performed by you body movement. Some top notch logic there.

 

[KidGamer65]

A clone uses an attack to make Obito go ghost mode entirely, then Obito uses the elemental attack as cover to go

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, taking them out from behind the same way Minato almost was then he can go back into kamui and kill each clone with Katon, unless that's considered BFR. In that case, then there's also the options of getting right in the clone's face and forcing genjutsu on them, or warping a giant shuriken at Hiruzen's head from behind at point blank range.

Then he's setting himself up for failure since the moment he reappears behind the clone and tries to warp it, he'd get blasted by any one of the other 4 Hiruzens standing around him. Since he's mid warp, he gets hit, and he probably dies.

-Genjutsu only works if he can locate the original.
-Shuriken to the head only works if he can locate the original.

Hiruzen has no way of knowing whether Obito is ghost mode or not, and Mind body control gives the user side effects if it misses...I think. It would be too risky for Hiruzen to use.

Kamui only works when objects are overlapping Obito. So he's always solid if nothing is overlapping him. Tbh there is no ghost mode. Obito literally moves the parts of his body that are overlapping with objects into the other dimension, thus they are not in the main dimension anymore.

And if it misses, the user is left unconscious for a while, but Hiruzen has clones so that doesn't matter.

That seems like a lot of effort being put in to just counter a katon.

Your point? :lol. No more effort than what he used to counter Spiral Zetsu.

 

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Then he's setting himself up for failure since the moment he reappears behind the clone and tries to warp it, he'd get blasted by any one of the other 4 Hiruzens standing around him. Since he's mid warp, he gets hit, and he probably dies.

Obito can warp a clone faster than any of those other clones can weave hand seals and blast him.

-Genjutsu only works if he can locate the original.
-Shuriken to the head only works if he can locate the original.

Not seeing how this is true at all. Shadow clones aren't immune to genjutsu. Shuriken to the head works too since Obito can just pick off the clones one by one. You could argue that Hiruzen will just make more shadow clones, but Obito will know which one is the OG Hiruzen when he sees him weave a sign for a shadow clone.

Kamui only works when objects are overlapping Obito. So he's always solid if nothing is overlapping him. Tbh there is no ghost mode. Obito literally moves the parts of his body that are overlapping with objects into the other dimension, thus they are not in the main dimension anymore.

And if it misses, the user is left unconscious for a while, but Hiruzen has clones so that doesn't matter.

Pretty sure Shintenshin no jutsu doesn't have very fast travelling speed, which is why it's used in a combination attack with shadow posession. Obito will see the hand seals being made and dodge it by either physically moving out of the way or warping his body into kamui.

Your point? :lol. No more effort than what he used to counter Spiral Zetsu.

Obito uses giant Katon, forcing all his clones to face towards the katon and use Suiton. Then Obito comes up from underground behind them and uses Katon again from a point blank range.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito can warp a clone faster than any of those other clones can weave hand seals and blast him.

The warp itself? Sure. Actually reaching out to one of them and initiating it? No.

Not seeing how this is true at all. Shadow clones aren't immune to genjutsu. Shuriken to the head works too since Obito can just pick off the clones one by one. You could argue that Hiruzen will just make more shadow clones, but Obito will know which one is the OG Hiruzen when he sees him weave a sign for a shadow clone.

Genjutsu only works on the original if he can locate the original obviously. Hitting clones is irrelevant because clones can be remade indefinitely since Hiruzen is Edo.

You do know that clones can form other clones right? Either way, mixing with said clones would prevent Obito from locating the original regardless.

Pretty sure Shintenshin no jutsu doesn't have very fast travelling speed, which is why it's used in a combination attack with shadow posession. Obito will see the hand seals being made and dodge it by either physically moving out of the way or warping his body into kamui.

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It reached from that to Obito in a matter of seconds. It's not slow, but it can be evaded. But sure, Obito can dodge, if Hiruzen just comes out and fires at him without any diversion, but if Obito tries to warp anyone or anything, he's rendered immobile till it's over, then Mind transfer hits him and Hiruzen deals some damage, if not kills him.

Obito uses giant Katon, forcing all his clones to face towards the katon and use Suiton. Then Obito comes up from underground behind them and uses Katon again from a point blank range.

If Obito gets the jump on them, then yes, this would work. But Hiruzen would either sense him or smell him before he even started to use his Katon, so Hiruzen either turns around the moment he feels Obito and counters with another Suiton, or he extends Enma into the ground to push himself up and away from Obito's flame.

Its funny since because thats exactly what manga shows. Its funny that you think he could of warp or phase out anytime, when needed his ass saved with Gedo.

Concession accepted, Good night.

:lol stop. You are obviously wrong nor do you make any sense here. Shadow Possession controls and binds bodily movement. Unless I missed the scan where Obito needed bodily movement to use Kamui, you have no point. What's next? Shadow Possession stops people from using KCM? Using Susanoo? Hiraishin?

And no. Gedo Mazo coming after him doesn't mean that he needed it to save him, it means that Gedo Mazo was the best option of a counter, because it'd save him and kill Shikamaru and the surrounding Ninja.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

:lol stop. You are obviously wrong nor do you make any sense here. Shadow Possession controls and binds bodily movement. Unless I missed the scan where Obito needed bodily movement to use Kamui, you have no point. What's next? Shadow Possession stops people from using KCM? Using Susanoo? Hiraishin?And no. Gedo Mazo coming after him doesn't mean that he needed it to save him, it means that Gedo Mazo was the best option of a counter, because it'd save him and kill Shikamaru and the surrounding Ninja.

Last time I check KCM and Susanoo has no relation with Kamui, as both of these had to be used to overpower the effects Yin-Style, for it to be used.

But if you think S/T commands can be used under its effects, theres no way to prove and disprove that. Dont care anyway.

After Obito is caught, Hiruzen clones would just used Mind Body and have other clones do the done deal.

 

[KidGamer65]

They are all mentally activated. And cut the crap. No way to prove it? Shadow Binding is PHYSICAL. Unless his shadows numb his mind or some BS like that, you are wrong.

 

[Lord Tywin]

They are all mentally activated. And cut the crap. No way to prove it? Shadow Binding is PHYSICAL. Unless his shadows numb his mind or some BS like that, you are wrong.

Shadow possession blocks the chakra from entering someone's eyes as well

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

FTG Enma shank GG.